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Friday the 13th, Part 2
06-06-2009, 10:06 AM
Review Date: June 6, 2009
Released by: Paramount
Release date: 6/16/2009
Region A, HDTV
Codec: MPEG-4 AVC, 1080p
Widescreen 1.78:1 | 16x9: Yes
A couple years ago I swore to myself I wouldnít go the whole HD route. Two different formats, and neither with much market penetration? No thanks. Besides, Iíve already got an HD satellite subscription that I hardly use as is. Well, Blu-ray won, and with that HD-DVD discs and players both hid dirt cheap prices. Army of Darkness HD-DVD and DVD combo for $3.99 at Safeway? Okay, fine, Iím in. Two combo players and fourty discs later, I guess Iím fully invested in this newish medium. Iíve still got one thousand DVDs though, with no signs of stopping, so where should the line be drawn? Iíve drawn it at the classics. The only time Iíll upgrade to HD is if theyíre giving them away (like HD-DVD), or more likely if the films have such significance to me that they demand the highest resolution possible. For me, the Friday the 13th films fall into that latter stratum.
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Freddy and Michael are cool (well, at least John Carpenterís Michael is) but Jason and his whole film series mythology is something of legend to me. Growing up, it was always something more to me, and even today I marvel that so much grandeur was confined in Paramountís earnest eight. But it was, and now that theyíre finally hitting Blu-ray, Iím eating up the fact that I can truly pick them apart Ė looking into backgrounds to try and find parts and pieces that might reveal just a little more than what we Friday fans already know. Seeing the cropping on Friday the 13th wasnít quite bliss, but seeing the 3D finally, wholeheartedly work for Part 3 was a great pleasure. But now, we come to my favorite little ditty, the camp slasher to end them all Ė Friday the 13th, Part 2. Jasonís first outing as star is also his best Ė but does his first outing on Blu-ray fare the same?
The orderlies assured Alice (Adrienne King) that the memories she had about being pulled underwater by the undead Jason at the end of Friday the 13th were just figments of a dream. They were wrong. Five years later, Alice is home alone near Crystal Lake and ready for a midnight snack. Instead of a sandwich, she finds Mrs. Voorheesí head, and seconds later a grown up Jason (five years can do a lot, right?) is driving an ice pick through the main course. With all the counsellors from the first film dismissed, itís time to move on to the next batch of counsellors. No one in their right mind would open up camp again after all the problems that befell Crystal Lake, so instead, someone opens a copycat camp across the pond. Jasonís woods are a big woods, though, and no desecration of his motherís legacy will go unpunished.
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http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/f132/f132_shota7s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/f132/f132_shota7l.jpg)Blu-rayDeluxe DVDOld DVDFriday the 13th Part 2 is what loving slashers is all about. A loveable cast of amateurs, inventive kills, a leafy camp ground setting and one psychologically tormented killer. The first film was charming in its meagre style and overall earnestness, but Steve Minerís effort here trumps the original in every which way. The only black mark may be the absence of Tom Savini behind the makeup, but considering the film still continues to be presented in cut form, we may never be able to compare each in all fairness. What Miner does, and what virtually no other slasher film has managed to do before or since, is create such an overall atmosphere of fun. So often slashers waver from sex comedy hijinks to darkly lit scares, but here Miner gets it both ways, keeping that fun campground atmosphere throughout while still serving up kills both day and night. And as mentioned earlier, the kills this time are no slouch. Jason learned a lot from his mother and then some Ė each death has a unique twist, but it isnít so outlandish that heís stuffing road flares through peopleís mouths like his doppelganger does in A New Beginning. Again, Miner manages to really mine the perfect balance between laughs and scares, fun and freakish, smart and simple.
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Friday the 13th Ė The Final Chapter is commonly cited as the fan favourite, but after the fun of the first half, the film gets downright dirty, savaging vacationers to grisly masses of body parts when before Jason was just doing his duty. It stops being fun and ends up being downright masochistic. In The Final Chapter thereís a real lasting legacy to Jasonís violence, with campers looking for revenge for lost family members, or Corey Feldman memorably starring into the camera after Jasonís killing spree sent him into a psychotic distress that would last three films. Thereís a place for that along with all the other great, draining films of the slasher canon, but again, what sets Steve Minerís Friday the 13th Part 2 from the pack is its ability to make merry what most films made harrowing. Miner shows great delight in carving Jasonís mythology for the first time, and all the leaves fall in one perfect pile. This is the quintessential camp slasher, the best in the series and in many ways the one slasher that all others tried to emulate. Not bad for a deformed backwoods boy with a burlap sack for a mask!
Those hoping the added resolution of Blu-ray would finally be able to tell us just what the hell happens when piss runs under the bed when a rat scampers by Ginny will sadly be disappointed by this new transfer Ė because I still have no fucking clue! That said, those with more modest hopes for this disc Ė that it will tack on a broader contrast spectrum, a higher resolution and a more filmic picture to the already exceptional Deluxe DVD upgrade, will find no surprises here. This new MPEG-4 AVC Blu-ray transfer, 1.78:1, progressive and anamorphic, is just the kind of upgrade youíd expect of the medium. There arenít any earth shattering improvements over the DVD, but still, the quality is noticeably superior, especially when you look at the finer details.
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If details like that donít really matter to you, then youíll be more than happy with Paramountís lovely Deluxe DVD, but if youíve got to have the best, then Paramountís delivered with another fine Blu-ray upgrade.
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Like the Friday the 13th Deluxe DVD, this one also comes packed with a new Dolby Digital 5.1 surround mix. While this track does the same in opening up the sound space into the surrounds, it isnít quite the track that the one on the original is. There is absolutely no low end, and often a lot of the high violin spikes from Manfrediniís track come through very shrill. Less work has been done in separating the track, too, with all the dialogue and primary sound effects simply stuck in the center channel. There is no directional separation between speakers. That said, the surrounds do effectively add ambient sounds throughout, and Manfrediniís score does a bit of creeping in those satellite speakers, too. The audio itself is very clean and without hiss, and on the whole sounds a lot better than almost every other slasher from the time. It definitely sounds much better than the original release, too, but still, itís mono in its roots, and thereís little done here to make you forget that. If you really do forget, then the actual mono track itself is included in English, French and Spanish.
Since Iím in the copying and pasting mood, I may as well do it for the extras, too, since theyíre identical to the ones found on the Deluxe DVD. The only difference is that Paramountís nicely included all the extras (including the trailer) in 1080p HD, save for the older ďJason ForeverĒ that was done in standard definition all those years ago for the box set. For those wanting to know more about the extras, here, again, is my review of the previous DVD:
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http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/f132/f132_shot22s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/f132/f132_shot22l.jpg)Jason Forever was a Best Buy exclusive disc for the From Crystal Lake to Manhattan box set, but it is now included here in its 30 minute entirety. Along with ďCrystal Lake MemoriesĒ writer Peter Brake, there are four former Jasons on display here Ė the first, Ari Lehman, the second, Warrington Gilette, the first post-mortem, C.J. Graham and the fan favourite, Kane Hodder. Itís an enjoyable panel discussion, with Ari sharing the same anecdotes as he did on the extras for the first film, but with all the others humble and armed with a few good stories. Gilette expresses his continued surprise at being an icon, since he had originally auditioned for a part as a counsellor. He also has plenty to say about the famous finale. C.J. Graham is a daddy now, and shares some stories about how his kid approaches the series, but he has a funny bit where he scares the panel with a spontaneous bit of put upon rage. Hodderís a guy I wouldnít want to double cross, the stern steroid that he is, and here he seems a bit dismayed at having been overlooked for the role in Freddy vs. Jason. He loves his character, though, and has a lot of worthy information to share. Itís nice to finally have this as part of a regular release.
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Lastly, thereís the trailer that was previously included on the original disc. Overall, itís a decent assortment of extras, but with no talk from the director, writer, or any of the original counsellors, this disc canít feel anything but incomplete.
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Movie - A
Image Quality - A-*
Sound - B+
Supplements - B
*Because of the quality of the HD format, the clarity, resolution and color depth are inherently a major leap over DVD. Since any Blu-ray will naturally have better characteristics than DVDs, the rating is therefore only in comparison with other Blu-ray titles, rather than home video in general. So while a Blu-ray film may only get a C, it will likely be much better than a DVD with an A.
Running time - 1 hour and 26 minutes
English Dolby TrueHD 5.1
Jason Forever featurette
Inside "Crystal Lake Memories" HD
Friday's Legacy: Horror Conventions HD
Lost Tales from Camp Blood - Part 2 HD
Theatrical Trailer HD
06-06-2009, 04:43 PM
I cant wait to get a blu ray player...!
06-07-2009, 12:27 AM
I'm just going to wait for the box set. Around that time, there hopefully will be more uncut footage for the series planned. It always goes that way with Paramount.
But, one must wonder with F13 2; if Pamela killed the counselors to extract a sort of vengeance (albeit on the innocent) for her son drowning in the first... why did he pop up in this sequel, fully grown, sporting her head? It must have meant he wasn't dead (and why would Pamela not know this?) and not only that, saw it go down because he must have snagged the corpse before police got there to have the head and sweater.
06-07-2009, 01:13 AM
It looks like this one is identical in transfer and disc content to the UK Blu-ray. So, happily I won't have to upgrade this one!
06-07-2009, 03:32 AM
OLD-BOO-RADLEY: I wish i could have your patience...i want a Blu player and Part 2!!!!!
06-07-2009, 04:52 AM
Already pre-ordered. My fav Friday the 13th movie too!
06-07-2009, 05:05 AM
Boo, that's definitely the big unanswered question in the series. My way to rationalize it:
Jason survived by washing up on the other side of the lake, far from anyone. He was scared, alone, and maybe a little ashamed that he couldn't swim, so he went into a sort of self-imposed exile. He built his little shanty, lived on his own, and watched and loved his mother from a distance. He saw her die, took her head, and then made it his mission to extract revenge. The jump scare at the end of the first was just a dream on Alice's behalf, and really, Jason was already a grown up. All so far fetched, but hey, it works.
06-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Rhett, I like your theory, but I find this similar one more convincing (and an idea I brought up on forums to great disdain for a remake outline):
A mentally unstable Pamela and Jason were together and worked as a team, in a way, or at the very least Jason was present somewhere (perhaps in the shack). Everything in Part I is cannon and the ending is a dream, then Part II starts off essentially right after the original. Seeing as Alice was killed by Jason at the beginning of two and didn't seem to age, we know this all happened in a very definitive time span, so this is about the only thing I can come up with that could explain everything. The only real question would be why Jason let Alice get away in the first place if she'd just sliced his momma's head off, but I think that can be explained by the fact he had to hide her body, allowing her enough time to get out of CCL.
Anyone hardcore enough to debunk that one? :p
06-07-2009, 05:50 PM
The second film takes place five years after the first (says title card), so:
I like to believe that at that point Jason was still too young to just off Alice, and that seeing his mom die suddenly pushed the revenge responsibility on him. That explains why he wouldn't be able to kill her initially, since he was too young and wasn't already working with mama, since he lived in his little shanty.
06-08-2009, 08:33 AM
^ Haha that was hardcore enough.
06-08-2009, 08:35 PM
With the Friday The 13th flicks is all about the inventive kills and scares.Logic is out of the equation.If not, how can you justify the inmortality of Jason?
06-09-2009, 11:22 AM
The only problem I have with that is I don't know why Jason would willingly exile from Pamela for any reason. It'd be subversive to his own survival/existence as a person.
To me, Jason going into hiding while his mother was still alive would make as much sense as Chucky having a kid alone for an hour and not even trying to switch souls or The Coroner letting a jive-talkin' black man live despite the fact that the man's boombox was annoying him between Slaughter movies. Or, perhaps Dr. Raglan in The Brood willingly dismissing patients despite the fact that they know all the gnarly shit about Somafree. Oh, snap... that one actually happened. :(
06-20-2009, 11:16 AM
While Daniel Farrands and others claim that Paramount didn't "hold out" and that everything what is in the vaults was putted on the new DVD's and Blu-rays I find it weird that the gore-trims of Friday The 13th Part 2 aren't included on the Blu-ray. Because I was just checking out the new Blu-ray of Part 2 and not only do you see a box full of slides and stuff of this film, but on 00:05:27 you do see slides of some uncut kills like the impaling of the couple on the bed. How is that possible when supposedly "everything" was destroyed?
09-10-2009, 05:45 PM
I've always thought that:
Jason was about 12 at the end of part I. He had washed up somewhere else along the shoreline, and not found the camp before Pamela went home for the summer. Since the camp closed shortly thereafter, Jason wasn't able to reunite with his mother, so he found the shack to live in. Five years later, he would be 17, which would seem fairly adult-like in comparison to 12. I also reason to myself that Jason was not immortal in the first 4 films. I know he took the axe to the head at the end of part 3, but I just say that he was so deformed that the axe missed his brain. A little bit of a stretch of the imagination, I know....
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