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Discussion in 'High Definition' started by thing, Jul 16, 2014.
I suspect 88 Films might be releasing Lustig's Maniac. They posted the trailer and the following text on November 2nd:
I commented that if they were planning to release it, it would need a fresh scan, as the Blue Underground transfer is problematic. They responded that it was approved by the director. I pointed out the black crush and the noise reduction, the evidence of digital noise, the scene where the image briefly stutters, and they again went: "The image approved by the director though??" ...and quite frankly, why go to all the trouble of defending someone else's technically imperfect image if you weren't planning on using it yourself? I don't know, I may be overanalysing, but I don't care: If Dario Argento had approved the noisy, prickly image on Arrow's first release of Tenebre, I wouldn't be impressed either. The transfer on BU's Maniac Blu-ray is more than seven years old, and I've seen Blu-rays of movies shot on 16 mm since with better black levels and more natural grain structure since. Am I just being difficult?
They are fucking idiots if they use that transfer.
It really looks like shit, compared to the old DVD.
I just don't understand how Lustig could fuck it up so badly.
I mean just look at this shit:
That was the exact example I used. Look at Caroline Munro's hair in the DVD. You can see the light bouncing off it. On the Blu-ray? No such thing. Just a weird, dark grey smear.
I hope others will help talk the 88 guys out of using this transfer. IMO it doesn't deserve a second life on Blu-ray. Once was bad enough.
Nope. "Director Approve" should not go so far as what buttons should be hit when configuring a master for the on disc transfer. Compression levels, white levels, black levels, peak audio levels, all these are technical settings that are not artistic decisions. Yeah you can play around with them for artistic reasons, but that's the exception that proves the rule. There is an agreed upon "black" and agreed upon "white" levels set by the industry. When Sony, or Samsung, or LG, etc., sets their diodes whites on their TV screens they expect them to be a certain value. If you don't follow it you'll get dark gray instead (or if you really fuck up a light gray).
There's no logical or artistic reason why the blacks and whites should be crushed in Maniac. Lustig has proven time and time again this past decade to be literally blind with the poor craftsmanship of the transfers dribbling out from Blue Underground. He was getting shaky towards the end of DVD's reign with improved SD technology and HD has only magnified the issues without any sign of improvement.
I'd rather seem him go back to making movies (provided the final video details are left to the DP) and leave his library of enviable titles for distributors who at least have enough sense to hits the right buttons. I'll pay to see Uncle Sam 2. I won't pay to see another BU release.
Def never thought I'd see this one on blu
If they are releasing it, I think the hysteria continues are doing a commentary for it. They posted on facebook that they were recording one for an 88 films release, this would make sense.
That just a ridiculous response from 88Films. Anyone who's seen that Bluray should know it's far from perfect and that it looks washed out and inferior to the DVD. I'm actually shocked.
DVD Beaver reviews House on Sorority Row, with comparisons to the Scorpion release: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-ray_reviews_61/house_on_sorority_row_blu-ray.htm
Many titles from 88 Films are currently on sale at Amazon UK. Some great prices to be found at the moment from their Slasher line, Italian line, & more.
Can anyone confirm that Happy Hell Night is region B locked? I know the disc says it is, but they've let some slip by before.
DVD Beaver reviews The Toolbox Murders with screenshot comparisons to Blue Underground: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews49/toolbox_murders_blu-ray.htm
The just about 8-year old BU transfer looks much better than the new 88 Films remaster which looks way too bright (highlights definitely look blown out in areas), is zoomed in, looks softer, and seems to have a white balance that leans a little too much on the blue side. Yikes!
Real downgrade by 88films. Great disappointment. If this is any indication about how Maniac will look...
Note: Code Red / Dark Force are marketing a 4K restoration (source not specified) due out 03/20/2018.
4K is a bit overkill for 16mm, but I guess 4K has finally become the standard for restorations now, so I'm not gonna complain
This comes out on my 32nd birthday. I don't know if I care enough about offerings enough to buy it though.
With that being the case, I'd have to assume they're using the same master that Code Red / Dark Force are using.