"8mm"....Underrated?

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  1. dwatts

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    I just watched this one on DVD.

    As for it being "horrid lies and false propaganda", it never once suggested it was real or true - it's a work of fiction, nothing more. Being angry that it told supposed "lies" just makes you sound like someone who wishes it were real :D

    Anyway, the film was okay. I like Cage, and I thought he did an okay job. It's the final third that sinks it though. You could tack that end on a hundred othr action/thriller movies and not miss a heartbeat - which is a shame considering this is supposed to be one of those "I can't believe Hollywood made this!" films.

    Others here have said it is "dark" and/or "disturbing". That was the problem with it for me, it was nowhere near dark enough or disturbing! You see nothing in the film really, and nothing that shocking is even hinted at - other than that central film.

    Peter Stormare was awful, imo. He looked like a ridiculous caracature, as campy and stupid as hell. He was a weak point. The tacked on marriage thing for Cage's character was lame (erm, he's a murderer now, feel safe?) And the gun with the slippery grip was a joke.

    But as an odd action film, it has some good things going for it - so it would get maybe a 6 out of ten on a generous day.
     
  2. Faceman

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    With a different director and a re-write with more plausible material and less "action" crap, this could have been a real good movie. I love the premise and the possiblites are there, but the movie fell on it's face about 40min into it and never got back up.

    Also, the scene with the cemetery was filmed about 20min away from me, right off the LIE.
     
  3. allmessedup

    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    I think the problem some people had was that porn fans are already stigmatized enough without some mainstream movie propagating the old snuff movie myth. I remember watching it and thinking that it could have been produced by Jerry Falwell. I can see why the movie ticked some people off. I was just ticked off that it wasn't better, because I agree that it had an interesting premise--it definitely crapped out toward the end.
     
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    I Thought The Movie Was Just Okay I Think Everyone Including Me Thought It Would Be As Visceral As Se7en But Was Not
     
  5. onebyone

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    I agree. It was kind of sort of dark if you have your sunglasses on, but that was about it. I was never shocked or appalled by the goings on in the movie, save at the lameness of the ending. It just sort of seemed to muddle through a muddling, faux dark story.

    That said Joaquin Phoenix was excellent in this movie. He alone is why I give it 6/10 instead of the 4/10 it probably deserves.
     
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    I can't stand Nicholas Cage but watched the movie anyway...like many movies today it was way overlong but not as bad as I thought it would be, but I'm not going out of my way to watch it again either...main reason I liked it was because the "good guy" wins in the end...I can't stand movies like HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES and FUNNY GAMES where the scumbag killers get away at the end...what fun is that?
     
  7. Rockmjd

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    use spoilers next time!!!!!
     
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    Glad I rented this flick as I really didn't find it any good. One of Cage's downs for sure.
     
  9. dwatts

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    By the way, I bought the DVD for $5, I don't regret it at that price at all.
     
  10. Bobbywoodhogan

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    It is definatley underrated. It is one of the best films I have ever seen and the performance by Nicholas Cage is outstanding. The thing that shocked me most was that Joel "Batman & Robin" Schumacker made it. It gets 10 out of 10 from me that's for sure.
     
  11. Werner,

    I'm the only one here who worked briefly in porn back in the early eighties.
    I think you're confusing your concept of 'alternative lifestyles' with actual porn
    producers who were a sleezy, crooked lot. I guarantee you that they're not interested in promoting any counter culture agenda despite rhetoric they use to cover their tracks (i.e. 'free speech advocates'). They're in it for the money and will screw anyone to make a quick buck (pun intended). As I said in other posts, there are some talented low budget exploitation producers and directors but none in the sexploitation field. It's a pity since there might have been an interesting sub-genre that explored cinematic eroticism but not with this lot. Sexploitation filmmakers adhered to a dull formula and their films were boring rather than erotic.

    As to actual stuff films, my understanding was that those out there were faked for prurient interest. At least that's what the porn producers I knew told me.


    What's interesting about porn in the early eighties is that not a single frame of film was wasted. Whatever wasn't used in the main feature was utilized in compilation films that combined the out-takes of left over porns. Most were released in two versions, hardcore and softcore, to expand bookings. If there was still some footage left over, they were sold for 8mm 'loops' in sex shops. You put in a quarter and the loop would run about a minute or so. In some cases, all that was left was the camera slates. Many porns were released in 8mm and Super 8mm in underground catalogues for home exhibition. All porns were filmed in Eastmancolor and all have faded to pink (which is funny if you think about it).

    Regarding the Nicholas Cage movie, I thought it was mediocre. The only film that somewhat captured the porn industry was "Boogie Nights". Funniest satire
    was Brian De Palma's early counter-culture comedy, "Hi Mom" starring a young De Niro
    as an inept 8mm pornographer. Amateurish but amusing.
     
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  12. mcchrist

    mcchrist A new breed of pervert!

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    What's sad about Schumacher is every time I see a film of his, there's a lot of potential there. He's got interesting ideas, but is too much of a crowd pleaser, so inevitably waters everything down. Every one of his films simply meanders along the script, never taking any chances at all.

    Example, Falling Down. Wonderful concept, the kind of movie everybody has been waiting for, but he plays it safe with the whole mentally ill backstory... Oh well, then it becomes run of the mill. No edge at all, and that's precisely what his films need. He's too damn much of a prude for his subject matter.

    Only Lost Boys holds up under scrutiny, but even then it feels restrained.

    I can recognize a Schumacher film just by watching a few minutes of it. That's usually enough for me to flip the channel. Too bad, really.
     
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    --Example, Falling Down. Wonderful concept, the kind of movie everybody has been waiting for, but he plays it safe with the whole mentally ill backstory... Oh well, then it becomes run of the mill. No edge at all, and that's precisely what his films need. He's too damn much of a prude for his subject matter.--

    100% agree here. I saw this way back when and enjoyed it. So eventually, I ended up with the DVD. Wowza, what was I thinking? Once again, half way through, the thing loses its thread and just peters out.... It has the exact same problem as 8mm, it doesn't go far enough, it's not at all dark enough, and the ending is too Hollywood. I guess it's endemic with the guy.
     
  14. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    The DANZIG poster on the killer's wall... One good reason to HATE this movie.

    Sooooooo easy to point a finger and then "pretend" that you don't by having the killer screaming "I just did it, my mother didn't beat me, blah blah". In the end Self-justice is promoted once again. Utter shit.

    Schumacher just does a job. He ain't no artist.
     
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    I hated 8mm mainly because it did not have the balls to declare wether or not there is a Snuff film INDUSTRY, which the snuff film 'legend" depends on.

    Are there snuff films???? Of course!!!!! Any clown with a cam-corder can film himself killing someone. But does that classify under the legend????? Well to me no.

    If we follow the rules then you have to go back to the George C Scott 70's flick (also penned by Schrader I think). In that film, Scott finally tracks down a dingy porno theatre that has a basement where snuff films are shown.

    Now are these real???????? I doubt it. I have known some "contacts" who have tried and failed.......and these guys NEVER FAIL.......

    But back to 8mm. The whole film alludes to an industry, but in reality the "snuffers" are no worse than the jerks in Henry: with Mick Rooker.

    Interestingly, the 8mm directors commentary does not mention Hard Core, Snuff or Emmanuelle in America.
     
  16. Big Bobby D

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    I liked this movie too. Sure, it's not perfect, but enjoyable. And for a "mainstream Hollywood" film, it's pretty dark, and I wish that the dvd had a director's cut or at least some extra footage in the extras section.
     
  17. bwana the clown

    bwana the clown Supreme Ruler Of Sados

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    Jeez, more clown stereotyping! :)

    I'd give 8mm about 6/10 - an OK thriller which at least has the decency to try and be a little more subversive than most of the crap coming out of the Hollywood these days. As for whether or not it's realistic re the alleged snuff movie industry - I couldn't care less. As a piece of fiction, I'm happy to accept the environment in which the storytellers' set it.

    :eek1: How about someone starting a Worst Analogy Ever thread?
     

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