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Discussion in 'Euro Horror' started by Crystal Plumage, Oct 28, 2004.
I'll admit it. I have a man-crush on John Sarabella. I would call him daddy any day.
Fuck, I'm registered under my real name. Scratch that, I don't want anyone knocking on my door looking to roleplay with me. :eek1:
if kit gavin is a freelancer, why not hire someone who can actually speak italian, so that interviewees can understand a question?
any way, this still looks pretty ok : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373306/
Maybe you are right...sometimes I take this crap too seriously buy I really do not care about me but more for the guys working to make the release better...even Kit falls into that category but I am not going to comment further on him and how all this crap started before the release of the dvd...
Anyway I hope you like the disc of LIAWS and if you find something better or we find something better later on...hey just enjoy the damn film.
Otherwise I see you guys are bringing up alot of names we are looking into and may surprise you soon. The truth is that the euro-horror world has pretty much seen its gems released already and while their are some still left for the hardcore guys they will not be popular enuf to put the effort into them.
So now lets go to the 70's and 80's and find some good one...I think what will help SS in the future will be less releases but bigger titles which will be happening while exploitation digital is got some good one coming down...
Images of a Convent
Private House of the SS
Lager SSADIS Kastrat Kommandantur
With how well erotic nights of the living dead did, I figured lets go all out here...also raincoat theatre has some good crap, we are starting with Insatiable but we got some really bigger ones coming down soon to announce.
You never answered this question, Will it make street date?
I really want to see THE DEVIL'S WEDDING NIGHT, featuring Rosalba Neri, on DVD! I read this is on Media Blasters future list, any word on how this is coming along?
Sorry John,but I get a bit fed up of people saying that most of the Euro Gems have already been released-there are many classics,particularly some of the giallos that are a hell of a lot better than some of the flicks that have been released already that dont appear to have been released yet.
Heres twenty off the top of my head
Case of the Scorpions Tail
Black Belly of the Tarantula
Crimes of the Black Cat
Death Carries a Cane
Gently Before she dies
Iguana with a Tongue of Fire
Killer Reserved 9 seats
Lady in Red kill seven times
Murder to the Tune of seven Black Notes
Plot of Fear
Red Rings of Fear
So Sweet so Dead
What have they done to Your Daughters
Corruption of Chris Miller
Bell of Hell
Perfume of the Lady in Black
knife of Ice
Im fairly certain that these titles would sell at least as well,probably better than titles such as Slaughter Hotel,which while its a decent enough giallo doesnt hold a candle to ANY of the above films!
Anyway,Im not here to bury you guys-I own a number of your discs but LIAWS wont be one of them unfortunately-at least you are releasing these films in some format,but it seems obvious to me that you will sell more copies of a title if its uncut,correctly framed,and has no errors!
Amen. Giallos are still under-represented in the market.
Couple of those have already been released in R2:
Case of the Scorpions Tail (nice dvd but a/v isn't the best)
Black Belly of the Tarantula (fullscreen!)
Bloodstained Butterfly (Medusa,only Italian audio/subs)
What have they done to Your Daughters (OOP and the a/v could be better too I heard)
Perfume of the Lady in Black (Raro's dvd is the one to get they say)
knife of Ice (too expensive IMO)
Eyeball (according to most this is an excellent release)
Another I'd like to add is Death Laid An Egg.
I have the "What Have They Done to Your Daughters" disc. It's a good film, but an upgrade wouldn't hurt. I don't know about Eyeball - but the rest seem to be really inferior. I'd rather SS did their usual bang-up job on these.
Oh man, you don't know how much I'd like to see Eyeball on DVD... what a great, fun giallo. I also wouldn't mind seeing you guys release What Have They Done to Your Daughters, especially since you did a great job with Solange.
Crossing my fingers for some of the late 70's/early 80's U.S. and/or Canadian slashers that are desperately in need of a DVD release (mainly Class Reunion Massacre, Curtains, and Final Exam for me). Best of luck in obtaining future slasher titles, John!
As to not further take this thread off-topic by suggesting titles, I'll simply provide a link to more suggestions in the What Should Shriek Show Release? thread.
LIAWS is going street on Feb 22 but given this time of the year check a week or so later...
As for giallo's they just do not carry the hit among the casual horror guy, I like All the Colors of the Dark and Solange but they can not hold a candle to titles like Zombi 4 and 3. The casual guy is just looking for common horror elements and really do not know much about giallos.
You may be surprised by some on your list will be getting here soon...
Once I have them signed and completed I will update you guys...
Beyond the Living Dead is another I'd like to see get released.
the AR isn't anything some black cardboard can't fix
Catering to the lowest common denominator may seem to be a better financial choice, but it's certainly no way to gain respect among the people who actually make up the more informed and clearly more demanding base. Hardcore fans buy more often, as you can easily see by clicking through on DVD collection signatures on this site. Casual fans are more likely to rent. Besides, I don't think I know any "casual horror guys" who watch stuff like Zombi 3 and 4. When I think of casual horror fans, I think of people who only know major American movies. You know, the kind of movies that make the predictable annual top 10 lists in TV Guide. Ultimately, it's your choice: release marketable crap or obscure gems. The consumer will respond accordingly.
What I think happened is that the zombie hardcore fans probably are equal to or a bit more than giallo/slasher hardcore fans, and there are so many more films out there in he slasher or giallo subgenre to choose from, they wouldn't get as many sales from a giallo title. Also, the gorehound would be more satisfied from zombie movies usually. Zombie movies (at least old ones) are a bit harder breed to find on DVD. Plus, with a movie entitled "Zombie 3" you know what you're going to get.
I would like to see more giallos on DVD, but to be honest, I don't think the guy would lie, sales must be lower or he'd put more out. Why would he lose money intentionally? I'd be a tad upset if SS quit releasing giallos altogether, but if they released one here and there, it'd be ok and they'd probably sell more.
Arent 70's and 80's horror films more towards the internet and hardcore fans than casual modern horror fans?
Also licensing old euro films is sometimes TWICE as much as licensing old U.S and Canadian horror films,and the end results is less sales then the U.S horror titles. Any DVD labels like bU has released more U.s/Canadian horror than Euro, simply put, they want too much money to license these titles. American films are cheaper and can net more sales. .
I don't think he's saying he's going to release crap, just more popular titles. I think we sometimes forget that these companies we love are there to make money, even if it's just enough money to tick over without a loss. That's simply business.
As fans, as consumers, we're really not in at the same level, and can't possibly have the insight these guys have as in what will, and will not sell. It's frustrating for sure - but a fact of life. Look at BU, and some of the tosh they've released. Their tosh is probabl their biggest seller, and helps finance the other releases. If I recall, that is the logic behind some of the stranger Criterion releases.
My experience of the horror hardcore is that yes, they are more demanding. They are also more likely - and again this is just my experience - to make casual copies of films. For companies working on a tiny margin, and yes, they're all our faves, this ends up being written into the decision of whether to release something or not - it directly hits sales, and a hundred copies can be the difference between a yes and no.
Giallo's sadly, don't seem to do well in the market. I've asked other companies, such as AB, in the past about the same thing. I got back the same answer. Licensing costs against production costs and sales just don't add up.
Still, when it comes to hard core fans, I reckon no-one is more harcore than the people running BU, SS and a few other small labels out there. I mean, I reckon I'm quite hardcore, but I'm nowhere near doing for the genre fans what they do. It's their place of work, total dedication. Yet we bash them for spelling mistakes - that's got to be frustrating in the extreme, I reckon.
Add to that - even the hardcore crowd likes more mainstream titles. That is evidenced on this very site. So it's not like we're excluded (well, actually, I tend to be ince the more mainstream they get, the less interesting they are.)
Still, the genre would be in worse shape without SS - so I'm glad they're out there. Things can change, so let's keep our fingers crossed.
I think that's what I was saying here:
When I said crap, I meant that very generally. Obviously he's in it to make money. I never doubted that. I don't claim to know the specifics of what a movie like Zombi 4 would make over say, a good giallo that's been brushed under the table because the subgenre has a more limited fanbase for lack of exposure and/or lack of interest. What I was somewhat disagreeing with was this:
I'm fairly certain the "casual" horror viewer pretty much knows squat about european zombie films too, based on personal experience. Any casual viewer I know, whenever they find out I'm into horror, they want to discuss movies like The Exorcist or even classic Universal monsters. In order to have been exposed to stuff like Zombi 4, I'm thinking this is a little more than casual. Hell, I could be wrong though. I also wouldn't put fans into such neat boxes. I'm sure there's plenty of overlap, as far as who likes what. Me, I could go for a zombie movie or a giallo, depending on the quality of the movie. Certain movies, if they're zombie or gialli, I'd just have no desire to buy at all, despite their accessibility to the average Joe. I even have to question your average Joe choosing a movie for the gore factor, based on casual horror fans I know personally. I know plenty of people who are casual fans who lean more towards the psychological and don't want to watch movies that are full of gore and little else.
What I was saying is that it's not really up to us what the companies ultimately choose to release. It's only up to us what we choose to buy. If a movie is accessible crap that's more recognizable as a "horror" movie to someone who knows little about the genre, that's not going to influence my buying habits as a serious collector. If I had to choose between a zombie sequel starring a washed up porn star or a lesser known giallo with a better plot, I'd choose the latter. That's all I was saying there. Splatter isn't always a factor with me. I'm sure it's all some people associate with horror though, and that's just fine. One person's trash is another's treasure and so on.