Bond 50 Blu-ray Collection (22 film set)

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  1. Paff

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    Oh yeah, I love doing Bond marathons. I do them on a weekly basis though, watching a different movie each Sunday night. Takes almost 6 months that way!! And I also don't watch them in order. I skip around, alternating actors, and arranging it so I don't watch all my least favorites or most favorites in a row.
     
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    I'd rank the Brosnan Bond films in the same order Paff did. And in general, I like the films of all the other lead actors more than his. He's a good enough actor. But he's not much more credible than Roger Moore as a deadly assassin. He's slight of build and not particularly athletic-looking in motion. His running style is truly strange. Something about it always makes me laugh.

    As far as his films, all of them start well and fall apart long before the end credits. For me that trend started with The Living Daylights. License To Kill righted the ship temporarily. But Goldeneye falls apart for me after the escape from the train car. And all of the other Brosnans lose momentum at some point too. Die Another Day falls apart pretty much as soon as Bond gets to Cuba. I also rank that at the very bottom of the series.

    Goldeneye has a truly awful soundtrack. And Famke Janssen's character is really embarassing. I realize the Bond series isn't exactly known for understated villains. But she's so over-the-top I cringe every time she appears. The opening sequence also takes a horrible wrong turn with the obvious fakery when Brosnan is trying to catch up with the plane in the air. I also dislike the addition of a female M--and all the nonsensical PC banter she engages in with Bond. The Bond formula seems to work best when it retains its time capsule quality. And the trendy electronic score, the addition of Dench, and Janssen's terrible performance really hamper Goldeneye. Sean Bean is an excellent villain. He's just not enough.

    I like the Barry-heavy soundtrack of Tomorrow Never Dies. It grounds the film and gives it a retro quality that adds Bond credibility. It peaks with the motorcycle chase and doesn't sustain my interest through the end. But for most of the running time it has a similar tone to You Only Live Twice. That's good enough for me to put it at the top of the Brosnan list.

    The World Is Not Enough definitely has the best opening of a Brosnan film. Most people would probably cite the boat chase. But the opening scene is my favorite part. There's something very Bondian about the way that whole scenario plays out. Yes, Denise Richards is outrageously miscast. And Renard isn't a very memorable villain. But Sophie Marceau is outstanding. And she seems to have more chemistry with Brosnan than most of the other women in his films. That vaults it past Goldeneye for me.
     
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    Film historian/preservationist Robert A. Harris found out and confirmed that all the Connery films have added fake film grain to them. Not sure if this is exclusive to the Blu-rays or if this was an issue with the previous DVD Ultimate Editions (I never picked up the UE's) that got carried over with the transfers.
     
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    i'll listen for that when i watch them.

    :fucked: UGH. why?
     
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    1. GoldenEye (1995)
    1. Casino Royale (2006)

    3. From Russia with Love (1963)
    3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
    3. Dr. No (1962)

    6. Goldfinger (1964)
    6. Thunderball (1965)

    8. Spy Who Loved Me, The (1977)
    8. Never Say Never Again (1983)
    8. Man with the Golden Gun, The (1974)
    8. Living Daylights, The (1987)
    8. Licence to Kill (1989)
    8. Quantum of Solace (2008)

    14. You Only Live Twice (1967)
    14. Die Another Day (2002)

    16. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
    16. World Is Not Enough, The (1999)


    18. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
    18. Octopussy (1983)

    20. Moonraker (1979)

    21. Live and Let Die (1973)
    22. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
    23. View to a Kill, A (1985)

    I enjoy all of these films except the bottom 3 (LALD, DAF, AVTAK).

    There really is nothing I don't adore in GOLDENEYE. Brosnan is terrific. Sean Bean is the best Bond villain since Goldfinger and a welcome departure from the old men that hide in the mega-lairs. The score is unique and sits beside a couple of John Barry's as the best of the series. Izabella Scorupco is a mediocre Bond Girl, but Famke Janssen more than makes up the difference as Xenia Onatopp. I enjoy all the witty banter and the action set pieces are top notch. Judi Dench as M is brilliant and she gets just the right amount of screen time in GOLDENEYE. I have grown tired of the small army vs. small army battles that are far too common in Bond films, so GOLDENEYE gets bonus points for bucking that trend. My favorite scenes are the pre-credits infiltration, M's introduction and the Aston Martin/Ferrari Spider chase.

    I'm really baffled by some the criticism GOLDENEYE is getting in this thread. There is no shortage of over-the-top characters or silly names in Bond films. Xenia Onatopp is a sillier name than Pussy Galore, Agent XXX, Octopussy, Plenty O' Toole, Jenny Flex, Tiffany Case, Holly Goodhead, Bambi and Thumper? C'mon

    I understand why its universally hated, but I enjoy DIE ANOTHER DAY as the perfect farewell/send up of a formula that started 40 years prior with GOLDFINGER and had clearly run it's course. I enjoyed TWINE, but the franchise was getting stale. They either needed to go bigger or start over, and I wasn't ready to say goodbye to Brosnan. I wasn't alive in 1964, but I'm pretty sure that GOLDFINGER and THUDERBALL were over-the-top for the time. With that in mind I don't see were DIE ANOTHER DAY's giant space laser, diamond encrusted villain, invisible car and ice castle are out of sync with what came before. With expectations properly set its one hell of a thrill ride, over flowing with homages. I can't think of a better way to recapture and say goodbye to films like THE SPY WHO LOVED ME, MOONRAKER and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.
     
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    I find this hard to believe. The Connery Blu-rays have been universally applauded. If it is true we'll need to rethink our aversion to fake grain because those transfers are gorgeous.
     
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    It's true. And I found out on another forum that Bond 50 uses the same transfers that the Connery Blu's previously released in the smaller Bond sets used. The Connery titles had "minor DNR" work done to them, and to "make up for it", they did add fake film grain.

    I didn't pick those up releases, so if those transfers were satisfactory, I would imagine the new set would be as well. Just keep in mind, it's not how the film originally looked or was intended to look. DNR + fake film grain cover-up. If that doesn't bother you and the transfers look amazing, then I guess that's okay.

    I just don't get why it was necessary, though. If they didn't muck with the transfer and add "minor DNR" in the first place, there would've been no need for additional fake film grain. Just seems like a waste of time and money. They put extra work into it when it really wasn't necessary at all.
     
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    ...Wha? I thought the big trend nowadays was trying to reduce grain in older movies so Joe Schmo gets a sharp pic on his bigscreen HDTV.
     
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    This goes against the general consensus for those transfers. They go far beyond "satisfactory". As for your assumption that "it's not how the film originally looked or was intended to look". Many of the reviews I've read would disagree.

    From Blu-ray.com's review of Dr. No


    From DVDBeaver.com's review of Dr. No
     
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    Found this low ranking to be a bit interesting, as most critics and fans consider it to be Moore's best (that or The Spy Who Loved Me). Although you also mention the score in some of your other comments, and For Your Eyes Only has what many consider to be the worst score in the entire series, so I wonder if that factors into your ranking of it...

    It does have what I consider to be the best stunt in the entire series (actually, several of the best stunts....a ski/motorcycle chase on a bobsled track? With no CGI?? No one would EVER do that today!). Yes, the 360 car flip in The Man With the Golden Gun is cool, and the ski/parachute jump at the beginning of The Spy Who Loved Me is pure badass. But FYEO has a subtle stunt that is simply amazing, and it's at the end when Bond is climbing the cliff to the fortress. One of Cristatos' henchmen cuts the rope and the stuntman takes a long fall down and is saved by the rope. Not bungee, either. I'm surprised he wasn't snapped in half. Watch for it the next time you see it.
     
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    The textbook example of a Bond movie falling apart before the end can be summed up in three words: Diamonds are Forever.

    You know, if you toss out the pre-credit sequence, Diamonds is one of the best Bond films, at least until Blofeld is shoehorned into the plot. Before that, it's a great espionage tale of smuggled diamonds and Las Vegas organized crime. Read the book sometime. Blofeld isn't in it, and it's just the diamond smuggling plot.
     
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    There are things I do enjoy in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY and I have no problems sitting down and watching it. I enjoy most of the scenes that take place on or near the water. Carole Bouquet is a really stunner but her character is too cold and her acting is atrocious even by Bond Girl standards. Lynn-Holly Johnson's character is not only annoying but she highlights the fact that Roger Moore is too old for the part. Kristatos and Locque are nothing special.

    You are correct, I think the score is horrendous and that plays an important part. I own quite a few Bond soundtracks and listen to them often.
     
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    Hmmm. Agree and disagree. Melina Havelock is a bit cold, but that's certainly intended as she's focused on revenge, not sex. It takes a long time for Bond to penetrate that harsh exterior (pun intended), and I like that she's not the typical bimbo he usually has to team up with.

    OK, any scene with Roger Moore and Lynn-Holly Johnson together is really awkward to watch. But damn, she's just plain stunning, and I always dig girls who ice skate.

    Even if Kristatos is not a memorable villain, I love that Bond has to go back and forth between Columbo and Kristatos to figure out who's on what side. And it's also one of the more plausible Cold War-oriented plots that doesn't revolve around some doomsday machine, outer space, colossal end-the-world plot, etc. Just a bit of intelligence that both sides want to get their hands on. A grounded plot, beautiful scenery, amazing stunts, and two gorgeous girls, and you have Roger Moore's best outing by far. Maybe you just have to turn off the sound due to Bill Conti's craptacular score and Lynn-Holly Johnson's annoying whines.
     
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    Good points Paff. The plot is quite good and I too enjoy Bond's back and forth between Kristatos and Columbo. I've often thought that Melina Havelock would have been a great character in the hands of a more capable actress.

    One thing I forgot to mention is the pre-credits sequence. IMO, it's by far the worst. It might be my least favorite 5 minute stretch of the entire franchise. I'm not completely against blatant pandering in the Bond franchise as long as its well done and the only thing that could have saved that sequence would have been Telly Savalas. As it stands, I find it distracting how the camera stays away from Blofeld's face. If they wanted to give Bond his revenge it should have been done in Moore's second film and with more thought put into it.

    If FYEO was made a few years later with Timothy Dalton I have no doubt it could have been one of my favorites. For one, the soundtrack would almost certainly be better. Same with the pre-credits sequence. I wouldn't mind seeing Dalton roll his eyes and/or star daggers at Lynn-Holly Johnson either.
     
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    you can count me in that group. For Your Eyes Only is definitely my favorite of Moore's films, and one of the better ones in the series overall, i thought. the score didn't catch my attention the last time i watched it. once again, i guess that's something i'll have to pay attention to this time.


    how about Man with the Golden Gun?
    i recently read an IGN list from a few years back where they ranked the first 20 films. they put The Man with the Golden Gun dead last. they thought it was the worst film in the entire series! i watched it two nights ago, and I don't know what they were thinking. sure, it's a bit more low key than most of the other films, emphasizing the duel between bond and scaramanga over any destroy-the-world storyline (although that comes into play towards the end), but i don't see how it's a "bad" movie at all. in fact, i really enjoyed it. Moore is young and strapping (relatively speaking), Christopher Lee is a great villain, Herve Villechaize is entertaining and funny as Nick Nack, without being annoying, it has that amazing bridge jump, a lot of great martial arts scenes, a great score, beautiful scenery, and Brit Ekland in a bikini. i dunno, i was just floored that these people considered it to be the worst of the lot (have they actually seen moonraker? view to a kill? die another day?). i can see people who hate the Sheriff JW Pepper cameo (i actually think its funny), and the whistle sound over the bridge jump is a real mistake, no two ways about it, but as far as I'm concerned, this ones not bottom-of-the-barrell bond by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    Quantum of Solace is the worst. Barely even watchable.
     
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    :rolleyes: oh come on, not that again!
     
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    Man With the Golden Gun hits and misses. I love the Hong Kong scenes. A lot of critics have bitched about the childish bickering between M and Q. I like the Thailand chase scenes, both boat and car. Could do without Sheriff Pepper, of course. Trivia note: The two schoolgirls who save Bond and beat up all the karate students? One of them played the old landlady in Kung-Fu Hustle a few years ago.

    Thanks Crikan, I had almost forgotten about the crummy pre-credits sequence in For Your Eyes Only, and you bring it back. "I'll buy you a delicatessen! With stainless steel!"
    What the FUCK does that mean????
    Another glaring error in that scene? When Bond is outside the helicopter on the landing skids, at one point "Blofeld" flies him right over the rooftop he's on, not more than 10 feet above. Anyone in that situation would have just jumped down to the rooftop, even if it meant broken legs. Better than death, right?
     
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    So am I the only one that has a hard time taking Moore seriously after 1977 (The Spy Who Loved Me)? Not only is he 31 years older than Lynn-Holly Johnson, but he looked like it in 1981.
     
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    no, you're not alone. but i'm willing to suspend my disbelief. kinda makes you wonder how much longer Daniel Craig will hold onto the roll. i wish every actor had the chance to be in 6 or 7 films. to really create a dynasty. perhaps Craig will stick it out past 4 films. I hope so.
     

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