Carrie (1976) 10/07

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  1. spawningblue

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    I see this reasoning all the time, and really don't understand it. Yes, Blu Ray was put out to deliver the best in sound and picture, but it was also put it to eventually replace DVD. Sadly, I don't see that happening anytime soon when companies are releasing these lazy discs sans extras. I have a Blu Ray player and will probably pick up Doomsday on DVD because the Blu Ray lacks the extra features. There's no reasons they can't throw in an extra disc and add the extra features, or use a 50gb disc as opposed to a 25gb disc, other then being cheap. You shouldn't have to own two copies of a movie, one for the picture and sound, and one for the extras! Superbit did that years ago, and failed. Blu Ray won't take over as long as they make people buy two copies of every movie.
     
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    It does all the things you suggest (well, will do eventually). But those features were added AFTERWARDS as the standards were developed - changed - proposed - developed - changed, etc. They weren't, as far as I'm aware, a driving force in the development from day one. In fact, given those things weren't in the initial specs speaks volumes about what was on the table when this technology was being put together.

    But it's supposed to give us all those things in the current standard - but I've yet to see it.....

    The weirdest thing I've seen with BR have been the needless multi-disc sets..... now that's strange. :D
     
  3. boycrieswolf

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    What Matt said. This is precisely why I'm going to hold off on the Blu-ray craze...well, that and not being able to afford it right now honestly...and I have to say, what made me so excited for the advent of dvd WAS the special features for some of my favorite films!
     
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    YEAH!! Wtf is up with that!? I was shocked to see that when I bought Blade Runner on blu ray, it too was a 5-disc set...just like its DVD counterpart! It seemed like such a waste of discs for it to have five. I mean they could've EASILY made it two. They could've fit all five versions of the movie on one disc, (seeing as how they were all branched anyway, except for the workprint) then the extra features on disc 2.

    What bugs me even more (and I feel like an idiot because I said this too before I went blu-ray) are people who say things like, "well...that's not really a blu ray movie." Warner just announced a blu ray release of Casablanca. They're putting tons of effort into it, but just look at all the dumbass remarks on dvdactive.com. Saying all the extra stuff they're putting in is stupid, and how "black and white and fullscreen" aren't what blu-ray is for, and how color and widescreen are what it's for. Clearly these people completely missed the point of blu ray. It's NOT about making every movie look PRISTINE, it's about the ADDED RESOLUTION that it gives any film. It makes a film look as close to a film print as anything I've ever seen before. For colour films, it's about the added depth, resolution, proper color reproduction and for b&w films it's all those (minus the color) but it adds a great amount of shadow detail. I used to say things like "that's not really a blu ray movie" BEFORE I went blu-ray, and I honestly cannot believe how some people who went blu ray are STILL saying it now.

    ~Matt
     
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    Looks like axelmusic.com already has a scan of the back of the cover and well....at least we get the theatrical trailer...:confused:

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    Well at least the movie's been remastered (considering it had to have been transferred from a new high definition master), since the last DVD was taken from the print used for the laserdisc.

    ~Matt
     
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    Elm Street didn't even get that, so we're making progress, aren't we? :D

    I'm still likely to make the plunge as this is one of my favorites. No rush for me though, since I watched it not too long ago.
     
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    I've honestly almost stopped caring about DVD special features. I've had this pre-ordered on amazon for about a month now. Carrie's the movie that got me into horror, so I owe it a lot. I have to get it lol. Plus I really wanna see how much better the movie looks since they've put some remastering into it. The movie in high definition, isn't that what high-def is all about? :)

    ~Matt
     
  8. thrashard76

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    They're all going to laugh at...
     
  9. spawningblue

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    Umm... okay. haha you totally changed your stance. Everyone buying these lazy releases are the reason companies aren't putting any effort in their Blu Ray releases and are making you own two copies of the same movie. I'm sure a double dip is inevitable, triple dip I guess if you already owned the DVD so I guess if you have the extra money to waste then why not. i personally am not rich though, and wait until they do it right.

    I disagree, and don't see that happening anytime soon. If you don't care about the extras then why not just download the movie. I'm guessing as long as the picture and sound are good you don't care if you even have a case for it either. And lots of people care about DVD extras, probably more so then people that own huge Hi Def TV's and Hi Def surround systems. That's why they release two versions of popular movies. And 90% of the time the 2 disc edition sells more then the 1 disc bare bones edition. If people didn't care and they weren't selling, then they would have stopped doing 2 disc sets a long time ago. The only time the bare bones editions sell more is usually with kids titles as they don't know any better.

    Blu Ray enthusiasts are the ones that are going to be the fall of Blu Ray discs. Because they encourage companies to put out lazy discs as long as the picture is okay. To the average customer, when they are upgrading, they want to see the new product be better in every way, but with Blu Ray that is rarely the case. Other then picture and sometimes sound being better (Though not always the case, check out the Interview with the Vampire Blu Ray, only has 5.1 surround while the DVD has DTS), usually the old DVD's trump them as overall packages.

    It just really annoys the hell out of me, as when I got into Blu Ray I expected to be able to replace all my DVD's, but that is just not the case. I either have to keep my DVD around and own two copies of every movie (Which isn't a big deal now, but when you have 200 movies twice, it adds up!), or I have to hold out and hope they double dip, or just buy the DVD. Personally I'd rather have Carrie with good picture and sound and great extras, then Carrie with great picture and sound, and 0 extras. To each his own though. But I think these lazy releases are really holding a lot of people back, more then you would think.

    You can't just tease people with extravagant DVD sets, and then take it all back, and say pay twice the amount for good picture and sound, but forget extras ever existed. It's like we are going back, rather then forward. Don't get me wrong, I agree the picture and sound should be the most important part, but extras should not be ignored either. Especially when they already exist on the DVDs! So it would take next to no effort for them to just throw them on the Blu Ray, and also next to no room. I don't care if they are Hi Def, but just include them.
     
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    Look at Superbit releases. What sold more the Superbit release sans extras, or the 2 disc Special Edition? Not even a comparison. I'm telling you, this is going to keep Blu Ray from totally taking over.
     
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    LOL yeah I guess I didn't mention it in this thread, but I had mentioned it in another one my reasons for my change of stance. The extras on the Carrie DVD were nothing special anyway but Carrie was a movie that was in some dire need of remastering. Yeah, I bought it.....WHAT!? :D

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    I understand. If it's one of your favourite movies then you got to have it! But I worry that if this trend keeps up and companies realize they can get away with releasing bare bone releases for high prices, then it will become the norm., and you won't see time and effort being put into movie like Blade Runner. Personally I see Blu Ray failing before this happens, as people will just take the cheap DVD over the bare bones Blu Ray. I know I will be for the Doomsday release, and I doubt I am the only one. As much as I was looking forward to The Thing Blu Ray, I will hold out until they do the release justice.
     
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    Wow I just saw that. Was checking a review of The Thing...what a kick in the nuts. Audio/video is stellar, though. What's weird, though is that the HD-DVD had all the extras that the DVD did. And considering they went all out on The Mummy...that there doesn't make sense to me.

    ~Matt
     
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    However, it DOES include BD-Live, which pretty much makes up for it.

    *EDIT: I mean, sorry. U-Control, which does include behind-the-scenes footage and extra interviews.

    ~Matt
     
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    Guessing this is one of your favs too, eh Ash? (Judging by your display pic.)

    Carrie, The Shining, Poltergeist and Halloween...first 4 horror films I ever saw. They're now all out on blu-ray (Poltergeist is the 14th). I'm happy now.

    ~Matt
     
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    Oh yeah, it IS my fav. I'm definitely going to replace at least my top 10 or 20 when they get release on Hi-Def. I don't think Carrie will every look that good though.
     
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    I dunno, that guy's review is kindof weird. He says shit like, "well Carrie will never look that great anyway." yet still gives it a 2.5? Weird. Then he goes on about the audio and how Carrie's soundtrack isn't of much benefit from the upgrade to high-red audio. For what it is, Carrie looks great. Definitely the best the movie has ever looked and a good deal better than the previous DVD versions. I don't particularly like the reviewer's take on the whole thing. Just because a movie is released in HD, it doesn't mean that it will look completely pristine. Sometimes it's just the added resolution and proper color timing that can make all the difference. For what MGM's done with the transfer, given the elements, the movie looks great. I'd give it about a 4/5.

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