Female Vampire

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  1. DefJeff

    DefJeff Franca Stoppi's #1 fan

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    so how many of you have seen this movie? how many of you are fans of it?

    it is in my top 3 horror movies ever and i also feel it is Franco's best movie and the best vampire movie ever.

    this has alot going for it in my opinion from the totally beautiful Lina Romay to the music, which is some of the best ever--in any movie to an awesome story and cool visuals.

    i hear this movie get bashed every so often, but i just dont see where its coming from.... Image released a pretty OK disc of this, which i highly recommend to everyone!

    opinions are welcome
     
  2. Disco Stu

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    I have the disc (and have seen the dreadful region 2 "uncut" version with poorly placed and distracting hardcore inserts), and while I can't call it a good movie, or even a competent one, it certainly has something. Lina Romay is part of that something, she is stunning and carries herself and moves in such a way that is extremely sensual and erotic. I'm sorry Jeff, but the movie has hilariously bad music, the direction is alarmingly inept (she bumps into the camera in the first scene, and Franco left it in!), the acting is below porno poor, and the story is clearly an afterthought. I think the draw of this movie has little to do with the talent of Franco (otherwise Vamypros Lesbos would be a lot more than just being really, really boring), and is more of a lucky accident.
     
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  4. Andrew

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    I still need to get VAMPYROS LESBOS (which I'll probably order tomorrow), and if I like that this'll definitely be my next Franco purchase.
     
  5. DefJeff

    DefJeff Franca Stoppi's #1 fan

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    ah well, i totally disagree Stu.. except for your views on Lina, which i completely agree with.

    id kill to have the soundtrack to this flick on CD!
     
  6. Disco Stu

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    Which parts do you disagree with?

    Because some things in life are subjective, and some things are fact and are therefore irrefutable.

    Does she bump into the camera in the opening shot? Yes, she does. There is no question about this. The insert which was written by Tim Lucas suggests that this was an artistic "choice" by Franco. I say Franco used every bit of footage he shot, which wasn't much, in the week it looks like it took to make Female Vampire. A mistake is not a choice, unless you did it on purpose (thus negating its mistake status). If this was on purpose, I believe that Franco would have had all the actors bumping into the camera, thus establishing a motif.

    The music is library stuff, you could buy it for yourself Jeff, and put it in your own movie, and it wouldn't cost more than a bag of cheez doodles. You know how I know this? I heard the music before, six years ago, in college, when going through music that we wouldn't have to liscense if we wanted a festival release. The music is also completely ill-fitting with the movie, it screams out being slapped on to cover up the long patches without dialogue, and it is as tone deaf as the badly dubbed dialogue (you're not going to argue that the movie has quality dialogue, are you?).

    There are certain things you have to accept as competent which this movie fails to get right on a regular basis. The most important is the camera being in focus, which Franco does not manage very often. And when the image is in focus, is the camera in the right place? Not really. Franco tends to plop the camera down indiscriminately and zooms in and out and random intervals as if he was just learning how to use it.
    These are basic skills which one needs in order to have your film be considered at a professional level. Any movie that is shot on 35mm and especially one that was seen all over the world in theaters and now on DVD should fill these requirements.

    Is the acting good? Not on any reasonable level, and certainly not helped by the atrocious dubbing. The problem is that the "plot" scenes were clearly filmed to justify the movie as more than a series of sex scenes with a woman who doesn't utter a word. It's irrelevant what they are talking about, and the actors certainly behave that way, the main male lead often looks as if he may doze off in the middle of a sentence. These are not opinions, these are standards. Now, when watching something obviously lowest common denominator like Female Vampire, I'm not expecting Oscar-quality acting, or even believable emoting, but some sign that the actors are even aware the camera is on would be useful, if not, less distracting.

    And remember Jeff, this is coming from someone who owns the movie. I would hate to hear from someone who watches it and can't get past all of these enormous flaws that are irrefutable and really unarguable. But you can try to make your points if you like. I don't hold it against for you liking the movie.
     
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  7. Cydeous

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    I love this movie too, DefJeff. However, I do understand the points made against the film but I don't agree with them. It's summed up by Franco's charcater when he says something about opening your mind to things that are not "normal". This movie has a strange plot and is indeed very weird. Lina Romay is a godess and I could watch her walk around all day.

    By the way, art is in the eye of the beholder. Some people thing that Michelangelo's David is a beautiful piece of art while others will find it offensive.
     
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    I just don't get Franco or the even worse, Rollin. God, I have tried. But their films are so inept and uninteresting. I have not seen them all by a long shot, but I honestly don't think I could subject myself to them. Still, that's the beauty of DVD.
     
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  9. Disco Stu

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    You seem to be missing the point. Franco making a point about opening your mind to things that are not "normal" has nothing to do with him being a completely inept filmmaker.

    This reminds me of a guy who used to argue that Dancer in the Dark was a great film, and all of it's flaws were on purpose. My response was

    I like this idea of a conscious flaw being an artistic choice. I'm gonna use that a lot from now on. You know if I knew I had to take a dump and I consciously shit my pants, that would be an artistic choice too.



    Cydeous, what points that I have made do you disgree with? Just simply repeating Jeff's statement doesn't mean much.

    And your vapid example of "art" is pretty irrelevant. Do you consider Female Vampire art? Or just simply a guilty pleasure and/or schlock entertainment?
     
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  11. Blade

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    I agree that Franco is not a good director, at least on a technical level. The fact that Lina bumps into the camera in the opening shot of Female Vampire does not maken Franco a bad director, but the fact that he left it in the movie does.

    I do not agree that bad acting distracts from Franco's movies (mind you, I've only seen 3 of them). In Female Vampire I feel that Franco wants to show the viewer something, not tell him anything concrete. The viewer is left to give the ongoings their own interpretation, some say pornmovie, some say art, some say abstract movie about atmoshere, etc.

    I think Female Vampire is an atmosperic movie with some weird and abstract scenes, like when Lina flaps her arms around when she wants to fly (I guess she turns into a bat?). I'm thinking she want to fly away and be free, but that's probably not what Franco is thinking. He's probably thinking, this girl will turn into a bat but I can't make a transformation scene so I'll just cut to a flying bat. My point is that these scene's can leave you to interpret them as you please, and for some that makes a movie interesting to watch.

    Also, the music in the movie is not really bad music. It sounds right, it fits with the movie and contributes to the overall feel, wheter it's stock music or not.

    I do feel that there's to much sex in Franco's movies. I don't mind sexscene's don't get me wrong, but these tend to make some of Franco's movies feel more like porn movies than horror movies.

    I think that about cover my opinion on Franco and Female Vampire in particular.
     
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    Disco Stu: art is very personal, I hope that you can agree with that? "Female Vampire" might be your idea of pure shit but my idea of good artistic filmmaking. Okay, I don't think that Franco is at the top of the heap and I don't find "Female Vampire" to be one of the best films ever made but I am defending people's personal views. Art is everywhere that you want it to be. Sorry if that's too vapid for such a mental giant.

    For me, "Female Vampire" is indeed a guilty pleasure for the reason that mose people are like you and wouldn't understand such films at the level that they were intended. It's no big deal, though. To each their own.

    By the way, I thought "Dancer in the Dark" was good film. Björk was excellent in it. Also, it's an offshoot of the Dogme 95 style, which seems flawed to begin with. Speaking of von Trier, I hope that "Zentropa" gets released.
     
  13. Disco Stu

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    Then I have less objection if you find it a guilty pleasure, rather than a piece of art. People do have different ways of seeing art, and I can not argue with that notion. However, something that is as haphazardly and indifferently put together as Female Vampire and clearly made with no passion whatsoever (the one requirement for art, the artist must believe in what he is doing, and post justification is not the same thing).

    You are forgetting that I do own the movie and also see something strange about it that intrigues me, even if that intrigue resides entirely within Romay.

    I don't want to debate Dancer in the Dark, it would take page after page to do so, and would certainly derail the thread.

    Zentropa supposedly was released last week, but no online or retail stores seem to have it. Personally, I have the Spanish R2, properly letterboxed (unlike the British disc), but the image is not all that sharp.
     
  14. DefJeff

    DefJeff Franca Stoppi's #1 fan

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    well Stu, Cydeous basically summed up alot of what I would've said to you and how opinions ARE opinions.

    i disagree with you saying the music blows, Franco is a bad director and that the story was an afterthought. i acutally like the story alot and think Franco is fantastic.

    you said Vampyros Lesbos was boring, but I happen to love that movie. obviously you just have different taste then me.
     
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  15. morpho

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    well...

    it's all opinion, I love Franco and his films...but so the person interested could find it I'd post this. Daniel White has a semi available album called Ambianza Acoustica that includes quite a number of familiar Franco themes, including "Eromantic Love" which is the Female Vampire theme that I'm sure you'll recognize. It's on Socadisc (a French label) and the UPC is 3341348947587.

    Just a heads up...it's not shitty library music, and Daniel White was integral to MANY of Franco's best works. Many of the tracks on Ambianza are collabs with Franco, but sadly, it's not ALL from Franco films. Also, check out The Manacoa Experience, which is Jess and a band.
     
  16. Disco Stu

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    Re: well...

    Well certainly, in 1997, it was part of a library catalogue, hidden on an anonymous cd (and I never called it shitty, it's definitely bizarre in its own way, much like the inapropriate score for Cannibal Holocaust), which I wish could remeber the title of.
     
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    mcchrist A new breed of pervert!

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    "Inapropriate"? Now hold one just one minute!
     
  18. KR~!

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  19. morpho

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    Great...where could I find this library cd, because I'd be very curious if any other Daniel White music can be found on it. I didn't say you said it was shitty, but somebody did.

    Love that first picture from the links!
     
  20. It's me Billy

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    Female Vampire is getting a Blu-ray release (as well as a new DVD release) this Tuesday, October 16th.


    Female Vampire
     

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