First look at Rob Zombie's version of Michael Myers

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  1. Paul0889

    Paul0889 New Member

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    i got my theatrical version at best buy, the guy ran in the back room where he said they had a bunch at, since they thought people would only want the unrated set.
     
  2. Shannafey

    Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me!

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    I'm still a bit lost. Is the theatrical version better than the unrated one? Opinions please!
     
  3. Mok

    Mok Family is Forever

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    Fuck I should have tried that, but I couldn't seem to find the theatrical version ANYWHERE!!! Ah well, soon...

    And Shannafey, to answer your question, it is of course a matter of opinion. Having seen both, well all three versions, I like the theatrical cut best because it omits the out of place rape scene and replaces it with an ode to Devil's Rejects cast. What would be perfect, is the theatrical cut with the workprint ending. I just love that ending and I can't believe Zombie thought it didn't do the film justice.

    Actually, speaking of that, I was wondering if the Theatrical 2-disc set contained the workprint ending? I was thinking of maybe trying my hand at making a custom cut for myself. :)
     
  4. shape22

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    I've seen all 3 cuts of the film a few times (I am both a huge fan of Carpenter's original and a glutton for punishment). All of them have huge fundamental problems for me. But that's for another discussion.

    If I was forced to choose the "best" cut of the film, I think I'd go with the theatrical cut.

    The theatrical cut and the unrated director's cuts have similar endings. I greatly prefer the workprint ending (included as a deleted scene at least on the unrated directors cut DVD). It's a lot more direct and a lot less plodding. If the theatrical cut stuck with the original ending I think it would have been close to ideal. But even though the workprint version has the better ending, the film seems a lot more cohesive in the theatrical cut. Most of the new scenes are better than what they replaced and the plot is structured a little better. There are also subtle differences in the Smiths Grove section of the film that seem more in line with Michael's character (Sybil Danning doesn't provoke him like in the workprint and unrated director's cuts). He also has less cheesy lines (like "then I have nothing more to say").

    I know many people find the theatrical escape scene ridiculous. I find the alternate rape escape even more ridiculous. I'm not offended by the rape itself. It's just more tacked on motivation in a movie that has way too much of it already. And like too much of the rest of the movie, the rape scene isn't scary, just extremely unpleasant.

    I'm curious to know which cut the rest of you prefer.
     
  5. Mortis

    Mortis GARBAGE DAY!

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    Who shows off the extra frontal?
     
  6. Bad_Ronald_1983

    Bad_Ronald_1983 New Member

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    Haven't seen the unrated, but picked up the theatrical, and it includes the fullscreen version and it had more frontal in it from what I can tell.
     
  7. rxfiend

    rxfiend Joe Six-Pack

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    I foresee a poll in the near future! :D

    Personally, I'm still on the fence on which version I like of the three.
     
  8. rxfiend

    rxfiend Joe Six-Pack

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    The actress who plays Lynda.
     
  9. Shannafey

    Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me!

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    I really want to see the different versions now and I'm really pissed, because when it comes down to it, if there was such a big difference in the different cuts, they should have made a set with at least the theatrical and unrated versions together. I'll wait and see if any theatrical cuts show up on the used market and grab one. I can't see spending $20 for one.

    Questions: Someone please explain the theatrical escape scene to me? I hated that rape scene, so I can see why you are all in the same frame of mind. Also, Is the alternate ending on the unrated DVD, the theatrical ending?
     
  10. MorallySound

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    The theatrical scene had Michael duke it out with some of the cast from Devil's Rejects in a caged hallway of the asylum. It never really shows how he got out though.

    And I haven't watched the alternate ending on the unrated disc yet, but from what I've read on here, it's the workprint ending. As the theatrical ending is pretty similar to the unrated ending, just a couple minor changes.
     
  11. bigdaddyhorse

    bigdaddyhorse Detroit Hi-on

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    The at. ending on disc 2 is the workprint ending, no question as I have it.
    I hated the theater ending but didn't mind the unrated ending. Very similar but enough was tweaked so it didn't suck. I'll just get the theater version from the library and dub it, no need to buy this again esp. when it looks like disc 2 is the same in both versions. I'd only watch the theater version for comedy anyway, it's by far the weakest.
    I think I like the DC best, although I still don't like
    Trejo getting killed. I appreciate it better in this cut, as it's clear that Michael is completly gone by that time, where he was still kinda there in the workprint
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  12. Myron Breck

    Myron Breck BOO!!! Gotcha!

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    Finally rented this the other night and it was just as I expected from R. Zombie: tired, uninspired crap. Although I did like the part where
    Danielle Harris wasn't dead but quite close when she was found--very nice bit, for me anyway.
    Zombie et al needs to leave this kind of thing to Tarantino--if you need to lift from other sources, make it interesting and unique.
    And learn to write idle prattle if you're going to feature it. I swear, if I had to listen to one more over-acted scene that went nowhere...ugh.

    Loved Dee Wallace though, so what else it new?
     
  13. ReelFear

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    just watched the UNRATED Directors Cut, and I saw it in the theater opening night as well. What bothers me the most is the humanizing of Michael Myers. I can only imagine this pudgy, long haired, blonde kid everytime i see the mask. MM was much scarier in the original and part 2 because i believed he was in some way not human. The mask was his face.

    Even worse is the acting by Scout Taylor-Compton who plays Laurie Strode. She doesn't hold a candle to Jamie Lee. There's no sympathy for Laurie in the new version. I could care less if she lived or died. The worst bit of acting is when the 3 girls are walking down the street, this was worse than any straight to video flick i've seen lately.

    Well i finally saw this rape scene up till now I've only read about. I wasn't shocked, it was much less harsh than i expected.

    the worst part of all is the movie is just not scary or suspenseful. I'll admit i jumped when Michael grabs Mr. Strode, but any sudden loud sound could have the same effect.

    well those are my thoughts after a second viewing. I'm certain i will never LOVE this Halloween, regardless is which version i see. It's slightly entertaining at best, so it will find a home in my DVD collection along with all the other sequels, but i wont need to re-watch this one for a while.
     
  14. Shannafey

    Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me!

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    Yeah, I totally agree with you on this, which leads me to some other thoughts...

    How in hell did he know that Laurie Strode was his sister?? I guess you can say the same of the original, but this one was more blatant in its telling. Why in hell did he feel more human next to her, but yet killed Danny Trejo who was always good to him? Didn't make sense and was very inconsistant!!! Also, the original made him less of a human and more of an entity. He took a couple of shots and got back up, but you accept it!! In the new one, he is human, yet he takes I don't know how many .357 rounds in him. Just plain stupid!! He isn't superhuman, he's human. He's not more human than human, zombie!! :D
     
  15. maybrick

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    But Laurie wasn't intended to be his sister in Carpenter's movie (as near as I can tell). That was a plot thread inserted to justify Michael continuing to come after her in the sequel. The plot hole of how Michael knew about Laurie was entirely created in, and is the fault of, the Halloween II script, not the original film.
     
  16. Dbone

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    Just watched the DC last night. I'm at odds.

    Out of the 3 versions I liked the DC best. I think with the DC they tightened up the editing a bit more. I loved the workprint version but it seemed like it needed alittle more retooling. Some scenes in the WP went on too long, and it seemed to have no pace (cant complain about a WP though, thats why its a WORKprint). I was surprised Mr. Strodes extended death wasn't in the DC, i was hoping it would be. I don't know how I felt about the B&W scenes in the sanitarium that were added in the DC, it reminded me of something Zombie did 10 yrs ago. All in all I think they rushed this movie too much and didn't know what they wanted to do with it.

    I hated this movie after i saw it opening night in the theater. When I saw the WP I started to have second thoughts. I must admit that it's growing on me with each viewing. The DC is definitely an improvement over the TC
     
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  17. rxfiend

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    Just a side note for those interested, the Rated version dvd is dual sided, SINGLE layer, while the DC is dual layer, thus the DC will be of better Video quality.
     
  18. allmessedup

    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    My thoughts: I think remakes are usually better when they don't repeat the story of the original and take the original premise into another direction [although it should still follow the spirit of the original--it shoudn't veer too far off] HALLOWEEN's story and premise is so simple that it's a really bad candidate for a remake--no matter what the director does, it's basically going to be more or less a copy of the original, because you're pretty much limited to having the cat and mouse game with Michael and his victims.

    I think Rob Zombie did a good job in the first part of the film by trying to come up with backstory--it takes away somewhat from the mystery of the character, but it's probably the best possible move in that the alternative would be to have the entire movie basically turn into a Gus Van Sant replica of the original. I know people complain that in the movie Michael takes too long to get to Haddonfield, but the "new" material that wasn't rehashing the original film is probably the most effective--I really enjoyed all the various cameos, and the movie actually doesn't have some of the plot holes of the original [as far as Loomis and the cops bumbling around trying to find Michael as he drives around Haddonfield in a very noticable station wagon which he parks on the street.] I agree that the Laurie Strode character is pretty blah, but enjoyed the performances of the other actors, and even Sheri Moon Zombie didn't mess up things as much as she usually does, since she wasn't given much of a chance to....

    There are problems later, however, because Michael is less of a "supernatural" force and you keep wondering how the hell he figures out certain things. The ending of the movie seemed really dragged out, as if Zombie had painted himself into a corner and wasn't sure how to end things.
    Once the movie started to follow the original story more [and there was really no way to avoid doing this,] I really started to lose interest in it.

    So--not a bad movie, but I think it's my least favorite of Rob Zombie's films, and I don't know that I'd be interested in seeing it again or in owning it. Maybe a more experienced writer and director could have done a better job, but I think the problem is just that the original is such a masterpiece of simplicity that it's hard to do an effective remake of it. I might buy it in a year or so when it's dirt cheap.
     
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    Well I just finished the DC last night. This was the only version I have and will see. Horrid. The back story trying to humanize and give Michael a reason to kill takes away the scariness of the character. The fact that he just killed w/o explaination in the original made him terrifying. There was no reason to like any of the characters in the movie. I had no problem when each one was offed. It was good to see Malcom McDowell in a worse movie than Caligula. Him Sam Loomis lacked all of the intensity of Pleasance's, even in the tired sequels. The rape scene was ridiculous. Zombie has yet to show us that he is a capable filmmaker. Which is too bad, become he seems like alikable guy. I really think that music and art are the only arenas which he should be allowed to work. His "vision" of Halloween was a pathetic attempt to ride on the coattails of a classic. It's hard to read the accepting comments in this forum regarding this trash. I am most disappointed with Carpenter though, who has openly condoned these pale remakes of his classics. There is no way to top what was perfected before. I dread to see how much of the quite dread that permeated the original Escape from NY is missing from the remake!

    Thanks, I feel better now.

    And who cares about what nudity is shown? Get some porn you wimps!
     

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