Halloween (2007) The Verdict.

Discussion in 'Site Polls' started by Ash28M, Sep 1, 2007.

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Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN was...

Poll closed Oct 2, 2007.
  1. Great

    12 vote(s)
    9.0%
  2. Good

    40 vote(s)
    30.1%
  3. Average

    29 vote(s)
    21.8%
  4. Below average

    17 vote(s)
    12.8%
  5. Awful

    35 vote(s)
    26.3%
  1. Ash28M

    Ash28M Active Member

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    That's funny I was thinking the same thing about you after your review.

    Enough with the elitist attitude. Give it a rest. Horror is probably the most subjective genre there is. If a film freaks me out, scares or creeps me out. I really don't care how technically good a critic thinks it is. It did it's job. Isn't that why we grew a love for horror films in the first place?

    This is something general film critics do not understand and why their views rarely match the horror communities.

    Please enlighten me on recent films that you thought were good, I'm sure there will be quite a few people on this board including Rhett that would think you overrated.

    The difference is we wouldn't make the condescending comments that you just made.

    When it comes to horror films there is no checklist.

    If a director gets the right mood, tone or atmosphere, sometimes that's all you need.
     
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  2. rhett

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    The increasing problem with this board is that yeah, many people would.
     
  3. Ash28M

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    You might be right. I don't remember it always being that way though.

    What people forget is that most of the people on this board have watched 1000's of horror films and yes many even more then you have ThievingWinona. If you watch that many horror films you are going to know what makes a good horror film. After that it just comes down to personal tastes.
     
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  4. Mok

    Mok Family is Forever

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    Hahaha, awesome. I feel like a better man :)

    Although I admire your broad-sweeping, back-handed way of insulting people, I still have to say: fuck you and your vapid existence (no disrespect ;) ).
     
  5. Luna

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    So, let me get this straight:

    People who liked Halloween and don't feel a pressing need to appease people who hated it, people who have some sort of strange desire to pressure everyone else into apologizing for their clearly appalling lack of taste, by saying "Gee, I know it sucks but..." couldn't possibly know a damned thing about film.

    Good to know! I'll add that fact to my Big Book of Knowledge Gleaned From The Internets.
     
  6. bigdaddyhorse

    bigdaddyhorse Detroit Hi-on

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    Let me know when you put that book out, I want to buy a copy, off the interbet of course.:)
     
  7. Luna

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    I have plans to do that through Lulu. Watch this space. :p
     
  8. _pi_

    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    You know, I'd say that ThievingWinona's post was anything but elitist.

    It's true what he says - we should all acknowledge it: We love a lot of films even though we know they are bad. We can't help ourselves, we just like them.

    It's a good point and a valid one too.

    That said, I still haven't seen Halloween 2007 so I have no idea if this applies to it or not. And of course, whether or not this applies to any film or not is always a matter of personal judgment. But really, even though I looooove Valentine and Congo and Black Christmas 2006 (and would probably take the middle one with me to a desert island) I'd never argue that they are very good.
     
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  9. onebyone

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    It is true of A LOT of movies. I have a big dvd collection of so bad they are good movies and am proud of it. However, it does not apply to why some of us, including me, like Halloween. I think it was a good movie, period. Hence a comment like, "Halloween is just garbage as a film, and in my view anyway (again, no disrespect intended to people who liked it), anyone who says it's awesome and tries to defend it is an immediate red flag of "I know nothing about movies!" and should be regarded as such." is the very meaning of elitist to me.

    The whole part about needing to appease the haters though well, that was just strange. You learn something new every day.
     
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  10. _pi_

    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    Yes, agreed. Fair enough. I guess his larger argument was what stuck with me, but reading the post again ... well, yeah ... it is kind of ... strange ;)

    But strange is goooood. It adds fuel to the fire, and prolongs fun threads like this one! :)
     
  11. welb25

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    Yeah, I didn't like this at all. I saw the theatrical cut so I guess I'll give the workprint a shot.
     
  12. That was very kind of you to tell me that you weren't intending to disrespect me by saying I should be regarded as knowing nothing about movies. I hope you understand I intend no disrespect when I say that your sweeping, fallacious, obnoxious (to me) generalizations kind of make me inclined to disregard your opinions as juvenile and, perhaps, uninformed, and in any case not really worth putting forth special effort to parse. That's just me, though.
     
  13. VenicuS

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    Well thank you for those blatant contradictions. "I've used the film as a way to find the reviewers who have no credibility whatsoever". Please, nobody on these boards (at least from what I've seen) professes to be Siskel, or Roeper, or Gene Schalit, or any sort of professional critic in any way shape, form or fashion. We're all movie fans, period. I like what I like, you like what you like, Luna likes what she likes, BigDaddyHorse likes what he likes, so on, and so forth, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Individuality, it's a beautiful thing, especially when we can all engage in a mature discourse on a given topic in such a way that honest and open dialog is the end result without resulting to petty name-calling (Mok can get testy at times, but we like 'im anyways. :D).

    "people can like whatever they want but that doesn't mean they can argue that the film is good." Well, actually, they can. That's what debate is all about. It's not so much about trying to convince someone that opinion A is right or wrong, but more of "I've heard what you think, this is what I think, take from it what you will".

    " It's kind of like, Plan 9 From Outer Space is undeniably an atrocity of cinema...but I like it. I can differentiate my personal feelings of enjoyment for a movie from the film itself." Well isn't that what formulating an opinion actually revolves around at it's most basic, whether or not you enjoy it? You say Poyay-to, I say Potah-to?

    Basically, opinions, and all that. You have yours, you've voiced it, and that's a great thing. By all means, tell us you don't like it, tell us why you don't like it, and give us justification on why you don't like it, but don't harp on somebody else because they might happen to like it .
     
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  14. Zillamon51

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    I voted "good."

    I really liked the new "origin" stuff. The kid playing young Mike is both sympathetic, and believable in his creepy rage. Tyler Mane makes a truly imposing adult Myers, both in and out of the loony bin.

    The "remake" part, I have problems with. The characters are annoying, the dialogue is inane, and while it covers the same ground, Carpenter's original was much better. The actress playing Laurie had potential, if she was written as well as Jamie Lee. She isn't. Her friends are bitches, and I didn't buy scuzzy old Brad Dourif as the sheriff.

    Also, I'm no Thomas Carder, but the whole movie was needlessly sleazy. Did we really need to see Sherri Moon's ass, or Ken Foree's porno mag? No. And the fate of Danielle Harris (who was great as the girl in parts 4 and 5) is degrading. I felt sorry for the actress a lot more than the character.

    Overall, this is a must-see for Halloween and Zombie fans. Could have been great. As is, I would say it's most like Halloween II, and much better than some of the crappy sequels. I'm looking forward to the DVD, so I can experiment with watching the Zombie prequel footage before the real '78 Halloween.
     
  15. ThievingWinona

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    nice to see some light debate and personal attacks! :D

    Look, I realize this is an internet message board and everybody just assumes the worst when they read a post. My intent was never to insult the people who liked the film, but rather to point out that from a purely cinematic level, the film is terrible.

    Again, people can like whatever they want, but that doesn't mean what they like is, objectively, a good movie. If you think that's elitist, then whatever. I can't really argue with someone's views on elitism.

    As for my comment about the films supporters just saying "the film sucked, but I liked it anyway", that's partly my fault for not clarifying. I'm of the opinion that most people who liked the film just don't recognize good films, objectively. That's my opinion and it's kind of sad that there is so much venom towards an opinion. I never singled anybody out in particular (again, my intent was to be civil, but unsurprisingly it was taken out of context), yet the posters who responded with insults (the Halloween supporters, right?) only reinforce my opinion that their views on movies aren't to be taken seriously. That's just my view on this. I'm not telling everybody what to think here and forcing people to look at things my way, I was simply giving my outlook on things. It's unfortunate that the Halloween supporters seemed to take it as an attack on their person. Believe me, that was not the intention.

    The fact of the matter is this: bad movies exist. Some people may like those bad movies, but that doesn't mean the movies in and of themselves are suddenly "good". That's not opinion, that's just fact. In my view, if somebody can't differentiate between a bad movie and it being something they like and enjoy, well then that person doesn't have a valid opinion to me when it comes to discussing movies.

    When I say to the supporters "Just agree it sucks, but say you like it", that's not trying to disrespect you in a backhanded way. From my view, I can have much more respect for someone who recognizes what a poorly constructed film Halloween is and all of its other faults, while still saying "but you know what, I really dug it". It seems some of your gut reaction to my post was taking it as an insult on your ability to enjoy certain movies. That's not the case at all! Anybody can like whatever they want!

    In closing, once again, I'm not and it was never my intention to demean anybody on this board. It sucks that some of you decided to strike back with insults rather than attempt to engage my comments on a critical level, but this is an internet message board, so that's expected :)

    Still, I hope my comments and position have been clarified a bit. I'd be more than happy to continue the discussion with anybody and welcome any questions that you have. Now, can we all have a group hug and move on? :)
     
  16. Ash28M

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    It's a Fact that this isn't a good film? Did you actually say that. What the hell are you talking about? Is there a magic mathematical formula on how to make a good horror film I'm not aware of? Listen, I think the Halloween Remake is a good film period (Workprint more then Theatrical). Not a "so bad it's good film" but a good film. I like it's gritty feel, I think the workprint has a surreal aspect and flow to it. It's not as good at the original and not even the best of the recent remakes but it worked for me.

    I really don't care if you don't take my views seriously. Who the hell are you that your views should be taken over anyone else's? If you think this is the worst film you have ever seen then you really don't deserve to be taken seriously.
     
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  17. onebyone

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    Ash you just don't recognize good films, objectively. Didn't you get the memo??
     
  18. Ash28M

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    I might as well just stop watch horror films as I'm obviously just staring blankly at the screen reacting to boob shots and cat scares.
     
  19. satans-sadists

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  20. Mok

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    Yeah, Winonatheif, just stay down man. You had more credibility being a flat-out asshole rather than suddenly caring for people's feelings. You know what? I'm with you in your way of thinking. Anyone who tells me they like Uwe Boll really lets me down the same way - and yes, I do mean disrespect.

    Personally I do like both versions for different reasons. Kind of like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2.
     

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