Halloween 8

Discussion in 'Slashers' started by DopeChamberX, Oct 23, 2000.

  1. DopeChamberX

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    I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on this. Based on the other topic, most people view Halloweenas their favorite slasher series.

    I personally feel that this should it. Here's the plot synopsis I read at cinescape:

    "3 years has passed since the demise of serial killer Michael Myers, decapitated at the hands of his sister Laurie Strode. As Halloween approaches and the people of Haddonfield prepare to celebrate another Myerless Halloween, news quickly spreads that the body of Laurie Strode was found butchered in Northern California. Tension mounts as speculation that Michael Myers still lives smothers the impending festivities and a sense of paranoia and fear once more grip the town where it's rumored that somewhere in Haddonfield, someone is protecting the last of Michaels bloodline and they must be found before Michael once again slaughters the innocent in his quest. But Laurie Strode killed Michael Myers, or did she?"

    I feel that this would be the best way to end the series andtie up all the loose ends created by the sequels, especially #6. I really don't see areason to continue after this one since Donald Pleasance is dead and the Jamie Lee Curtis really doens't want to make anymore sequels, there be no reason to carry on. Tommy Doyle wasn't an interesting enough charcter to hold the series up. Anyone lese have any thoughts on this?

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  2. Django

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    I disagree completely. The only way that this movie will get butt back into the theater after the crapfest H20 is if they bring Tommy Doyle back as the Loomis replacement.

    The whole arc they did with the character is the sole reason I enjoy Halloween 6 as much as I do. I could have carred less about the return of Laurie Strode and now that it seems they want Curtis to return only so they can kill her off again just makes me pissed more.

    What they should do is have Tommy team up with Jamie Lloyd - she could come back - to find Curtis before Myers does...
     
  3. DopeChamberX

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    Hmmm... interesting points, I personally feel Halloween 6 lacked because by then they were really fishing for ideas and the return of Tommy Doyle proved that, even thought the man in balck in #5 didn't help the series much either.

    The only way that I would believe if Jamie Llyod were to return if they cast Danielle Harris again. At least it wasn't Danielle when they killed her, I don't think many fans would have standed for seeing this young girl beign killed on farm machinery.

    H20 really breathed some fresh life in the series, even though it was sorely lacking, it suceed because everyone had such low expectations because of 6.

    I think this is the best way they could end the series, do we really want to see a second rate Donald Pleasence replacement spurting his old lines? That would just bring the series down even farther. Another thing they have to explain who it was she beheaded, which will delve into the whole clone thing brought up near the end of 6. If we're sarting to get into that, again, its just muddling the series, even more and I personally want to the series to end less complicated as possible. What do I know, just my opinions.

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  4. creaturekid

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    I also agree that the series needs to keep itself very limited in terms of complicated plots, but I also agree the H20 was awful. I don't think Part 6 is perfect, but I do think that it has a lot more going for it than H20. I think they touched on something great in Part 6 with the notion of what Michael Myers has done to the town of Haddonfield, how Halloween had become banned, etc. That's a really interesting angle that I think could have (and I suppose, if they are making another sequel, SHOULD be) developed further. I wouldn't mind seeing a Halloween sequel that sort of brought all these elements together, but kept it a really really simple plot. Tommy Doyle is still alive, and Laurie Strode is still alive. Bring them back to Haddonfield, where, now that Michael is "dead", Halloween is no longer banned. Tommy and Laurie live it up, knowing they don't have anything to fear. Meanwhile, Michael is NOT dead, and a perfectly great Halloween is suddenly really really dangerous.
     
  5. Jasondog

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    I like the ending of H20. I think they should have stopped the series there.

    IMO the whole "Man in Black" thing was all a bad idea. I hated H6 when it first came out, but after the past year of owning it on LD i have grown accustomed to it. I like it.

    I hope that H8 ties up all the loose ends started with H5 & H6. Basically, i hope it just doesnt fuck up the series even more. Especially since H20 was a great ending point. I will miss Dr. Loomis though.

    I dont have that high of expectations for the sequal but what the hell, i know ill be first in line when it is released.
     
  6. rhett

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    I agree with you Jason, Halloween should have ended at H20. Without Donald Pleasance the series just doesn't seem plausible to me. I did like H20 and how it revived Halloween and such, but I think Mr. Akkad is just milking the franchise dry...but like Jason said, I too will be first in line, regardless if I object to the film...

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  7. Jasondog is right. End the series already. I'm tired of it. it started out when I was born and it's been dragged like a screaming child through all these years. he's decapitated, leave him rotting. please, end it now before it starts to look really stupid like the candyman and hellraiser series. what an embarrassment those sequels are.

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  8. DVD Connoisseur

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    Question: How do directors manage to screw up great series? I can see the Halloween and F13 series disappear due to slap-dash scripts and direction and it puzzles me how this can happen. When a series is world famous, like the Halloween films, don't they (the studios) sit down and really think, "How can we make a great movie? A movie that will be innovative, exciting and memorable?" H20, despite featuring Ms Curtis, was pretty poor...and that's a horror film starring a "big name". If they screw up Halloween 8, they ruin the series for good. The stakes are high. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that somehow they can "get back to basics" and deliver a belting slasher with wit, shocks and a clean storyline, devoid of any supernatural twists and hocus pocus.
     
  9. AceRimRat

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    It seems to me that slasher series fade for three reasons: 1. rush jobs; 2. one-dimension-ality; and 3. continuity. I know, one-dimension-ality is not a word.

    1. Rush jobs: Halloween 2 was a fairly quick follow-up to the original - and while not bad, not nearly as good. Halloween 4 was OK, so they rushed 5 out and again, not nearly as good. You could make the same case for some of the rapid-fire F13s.

    2. One-dimension-ality: F13, while I love the series, is a one-note series. It gets old. When all you can do is try and spin the same story over and over, you're going to be hit or miss. For instance, F13 6 tried to be a little more scary than gross, and I think it worked to some degree. F13 5 tried to have the faux-Jason and though I like the movie, I think most people would say it didn't work. F13 7 had the telekinetic girl, F13 9 had the Jason-in-a-different-body thing, etc.

    3. Continuity: I think some of these movies represented poor decisions in scripting or what-have-you as far as keeping up the theme: Elm Street 2 sticks out from the 1-3-4-5 core sequence. ES 6 and 7 don't fit with the rest. H3 is out of the Myers realm. H6 is a notorious hack job. F13 8 makes absolutely no sense. And so on. When you can't even keep your story straight from movie to movie (end of H4, beginning of H5) you're not going to maintain a series well, IMHO.

    I'm not a Star Trek fan, but I always figured they can keep churning out movies because the characters are the same from film to film and from TV to film, right? Spock dies in part 2, so part 3 they go look for him. Or something like that.

    But in H5 there's no mention of little Jamie killing her mom or whatever at the end of 4. Then there's the knocking off of a sympathetic character from 4 early in 5, same problem many people had with Alien 3 as a follow-up to Aliens.

    How's that sound to y'all?
     
  10. hojimoji

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    I think the one dimesionality is probably the major culprit. It's really hard to dedicate 10 hours of film to a character that never speaks, and therefore has almost no direct development, and hence creates difficulties in creating compelling stories.

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  11. Halloween has always been more about the characters other than Michael. this is where the plot is. He is just the star!

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  12. rhett

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    Ace, I thought the same thing you did about not mentioning the death of the mother from the end of H4, but upon watching it again I was able to gain that Jamie hospilized her and that she is still in the hospital (or something like that, its been awhile since I last watched it). The one thing about H5 I can't explain is why the hell they included that damned music accompaning the stupid policemen, it is just horrid.

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  13. DVD Connoisseur

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    AceRimRat, I think you've captured the reasons for "diminishing returns" perfectly. The film makers of Jason X and Halloween 8 have no excuses. If they make a hash out of the latest installments, you have to ask "Why and how?" These are big series and should be given a great deal of time and thought by all concerned with their production. Having said that, Lucas had over a decade to sort out Episode 1 and look how that turned out. (Sorry, that will be my one and only diversion into Star Wars territory on this forum, ever!)
     
  14. AceRimRat

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    One good point raised that I overlooked is the need for strong supporting characters.

    Look at (in non-horror) the James Bond or Batman movies - when the villain is top-notch, the movie tends to be, as long as the star is at least solid.

    To apply that to horror, it's sort of the converse - the bad guy is the link between films, so it's a question of sympathetic victims/would-be survivors - especially in Halloween and F13 where the killer isn't really an acting role (vs. Elm Street or even Night of the Demons). I think for instance, the (SPOILER!) killing of Ellie Cornell's character early in H5 does the movie a grave disservice, leaving us with the annoying (IMHO) Wendy Kaplan character as the only focus outside of Pleasance and (the mute) Danielle Harris. Bad move, if you ask me. Compare that to Cornell and Harris in H4 as compliments to Pleasance, or Curtis in the original. You root for Lar Park Lincoln in F13 part 7, you sort of hope all the kids in part 8 die really fast. Etc.

    If you don't hope the "good guys" win, the movie becomes an exercise in gore. Not that that's a bad thing, but I think it harms a series.

    So I hope the space-station dwellers of Jason X are a lot more like those of Alien and Aliens than Leprechaun 4 In Space. [​IMG] For all our sakes.
     
  15. evileye

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    Let's face it, if we wanted originality, none of use would have ever set foot into the theater for half of the slasher films we love. Most of the sequels are carbon copy scripts and most of us want that. New actors, new house, new axe and SAME STORY! HALLOWEEN 3 proved that.

    So when audiences are willing to line up and pay to see this, why destroy it by making up incredible stupid jokey plots like science fiction and supernatural monsters? JASON vs SPAWN? THE MICHAEL MEYERS MUPPET MOVIE?

    Spend the money on fresh young actors and hope you can find a writer with a glimmer of talent that can focus on making the characters somewhat witty while putting them through the paces. Kevin Williamson did with SCREAM (which is the xerox script again with fun characters). HALLOWEEN H20 could have done this if they had not opted to rush it through production sloppily. But I will take that over JASON X any day!!

    If I want science fiction, I'll go see ALIENS. If I want a slasher film (and there is a forulma we all seem to like here), then I'll pay to see that too. I personally find the idead of a faceless nut hiding in the garage slicing people up far more scary than some CGI blob. Why ruin it by making it so far fetched?

    If only Kathy Bates in MISERY could have been a telekenetic cyborg in the year 2207, I would have been able to focus on the dramatic impact more!
     
  16. DopeChamberX

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    Dark Horizons has just posted this information today:

    Halloween 8: 'Sparke Dee' has this report which confirms the details mentioned on AICN the other day:


    "Casting in underway because they want to start filming before the actors strike in order to release the film in October of 2001. From the rough draft script I read it's more of a "Blair Witch" rip-off then a Halloween sequel. A group of college students interested in the Halloween killings decide to host a live webcast tour of the Myer's estate for their Myer's website. Some one dressed as the Shape shows up and decides to make their webcast very memorable.I know Jamie Lee Curtis has signed on for a cameo (which consists of her being interviewed about Michael by one of the characters). Also, actress Melissa Sagemiller has officially been cast as the lead female character".


    I guess this is it :(. Why oh why, I must go cry for the future of Michael Myers now.
     
  17. MovieFan

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    If Halloween 8 goes the route of being a Blair Witch 2 ripoff (as DopeChamberX just mentioned), say goodbye to the Halloween series as we know it.

    Also, am I the only one here looking forward to Jason X? :D
     
  18. Oogie Boogie

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    They are trying to get a prominent rap star to be in it, as well as some chick from temptation island. it should pretty worthless, the way it's going, in my opinion. :(
     
  19. evileye

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    The end of the series????
    If we were demanding quality, HALLOWEEN 2 would have been the last installment of the series!
    Although the idea of a BLAIR WITCH RIP-OFF doesn't sound all that wonderful, I think if they manage to get some decent kids for the leads and make a raw horror film uncluttered with bad CGI and off-the-wall plot mechanics (come on guys... the whole Druids controlling the spirit of Michael Myers is a bit goofy to say the least and I doubt this was the intention of Carpenter).

    Add to the list: a decent score, slick camerawork and a mask that looks like the original! If this film is gonna be a hit, this is gonna need a commercial push and following the HALLOWEEN 6 route will surely sink it.

    As for JASON X, it might turn up to be a unintentionally funny film, but I am not betting on it being scary and certainly not doing big business (unless there is absolutely nothing out that week). Christ, THIS is the series that would be better suited for a BLAIR WITCH rip-off!

    But judging by the awful CGI monsters shown in stills and the general reaction of the public ("Oh for God's sakes!!!"), this looks like a turkey in the making. Maybe Betsy Palmer can do a cameo dressed up like C3PO helping Jar Jar Binks and his clan spiritually control Jason and make him stalk the woods of Endor.

    Oh, Hell! Let's just call it NATIONAL LAMPOON'S FRIDAY THE 13TH!!!!
     
  20. Mark Relford

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    MF, I'm looking forward to Jason X. It'll be a blast to see Jason back in action.
     

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