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Discussion in 'Slashers' started by Dave, Jul 13, 2002.
Looks like a love it/hate it kinda film.
Still gonna wait till it hits DVD though.
for those curious, i decided to track down a copy of H8 on the net to see if it was a workprint version or the same as the theatrical cut (as i heard a workprint has been leaked). well i found the last 16 mins of H8 in divx format (slowly, but surely, the whole movie is starting to appear on some p2p networks) and guess what, it's slightly different! the main difference is the very ending.
Instead of the worker at the morgue getting scared by michael, in this version, the movie is still at the fire scene and a crime scene investigator has arrived. she looks down one of the manholes and sure enough, michael jumps up to give her a scare! i haven't gotten the first part of the movie, so i'm not sure what else is different. but for collectors/bootleggers, you may want to try and get this!
It was decent. But after Strode's death, it got real boring for 45 mins, then picked up a little at the end. The only part that was interesting was seeing Michael's room. Who's house has all those secret underground rooms? Hopefully Eight Legged Freaks will be better.
Honestly, Donald Pleasence was a huge part of why I liked any of the Halloween sequels. H2O was not as enjoyable for me with him out of the picture, but at least it had Curtis to push the film along to a satisfying climax. Without Curtis and Pleasence there’s really nothing going for it, and this film was absolutely horrible.
On another note, did anyone else become annoyed by the use of sound in the film? It seems Rosenthal realized he had no scares in the film, so he decided to bombard the audience with an onslaught of noise. Weird retellings continuously circling around, and huge vibrations when nothing at all was happening. All it succeeded in was giving me a headache.
I drove 4 hours to see this baby, and although it could have been better, I enjoyed it, and found it to be one of the better Halloween sequels.
I really enjoyed the opening with Laurie Strode, and I thought the explination for the ending in H20 was decent, and a whole lot better than having the killer in H20 be a copycat a la Friday 5. Jamie Lee Curtis did a great job with the minimal screentime she had, showing us why she gave the first film the life that it had. She doesn't exercise her lungs here, but she truly looks battered and beaten, a woman so tormented by the thoughts of her older brother that life to her now means nothing.
Initially I had thought what you said Dave, "Why the hell would Laurie check to see if it is Michael, after he deliberately chased her." But her checking could make sense on a few levels. One would be a paranoia of harming the innocent once again, and when someone gets in that mindset it becomes compulsive and nearly uncontrollable to check. Add that to Laurie's loss of the desire for life, and it makes sense. I think in some manner, Laurie wanted Michael to throw her off, as if to end the anguish she has suffered for nearly 25 years. I perceived her thoughts as being "either I kill him with the chance of it being a bystander, or I submit and let evil take over me." Laurie has given up on life, and she let Michael do what she has wanted to do for years now, end her life.
What I thought was another interesting angle in the film, was how much Laurie and Michael resembled each other in appearance. It is as if through all his stalking and killing Michael has made Laurie an extension of himself. Both have become mute and emotionless, and both have an aged face with large bags around the eyes. There is so much darkness around Laurie's eyes, moreso than even for Michael, and I think Rosenthal wanted to show the connection between the two.
The best shot in the film, worthy of the price of admission in my mind, was when Laurie and Michael were hanging off the roof arm in arm. For once the cat and mouse have been brought together, and the shot is really excellent. A brother and sister finally united by death, what a thought.
As much as I loved the start of the film, I thought the other half was decent in comparison. I thought that it did have some good ideas though, and that the webcam plot was explored with some creativity. I really liked how Decker talked to Sara on the palm pilot device, telling her where the killer is. I've never seen that in a horror film before (perhaps it was in Hell Asylum?) and I thoguht it not only heightened the suspense, but it also helped get the viewer involved. By having the reaction shots at Decker's party of all the people viewing what I was, it gave me an increased feeling of involvement, and the emotional effect it the happenings gave me was increased.
I agree with Wes in saying that Brad Loree did a fabulous job with Michael. This was perhaps the scariest masked killer ever on film next to the original's Nick Castle. Forget Kane Hodder or any other Jason or Michael actor, Loree was downright creepy, and his mannerisms were perfect. I liked the fact that Michael was no longer a body builder like he had become in Parts 4 & 5. He looks like a regular Joe in terms of size, but that makes it more realistic. Loree's performance, coupled with the best Mask since the original, bring Michael back to a scariness not acheived since the original.
There were some cool kills in the movie (the mirror one, head tumble and door stabbing), and the film looked pretty good. I love the scope ratio, and Rosenthal directs it in the same way he did in Part 2, providing scared throughout the frame. The acting was also fairly good, and one of the best in terms of the Halloween series. Although under used, I thought Bianca Kajlich made a great new Laurie Strode-ish heroin. Sean Patrick Thomas was pretty cool too, although the writing he had to deal with was at times rough (as if anyone would want to know the kind of parslee Michael Myers ate!).
The exception to the good acting was of course Busta Rhymes. I knew right from the start he was going to weigh down the film, and that he did. He was actually quite reserved and decent through the first half of the movie, but as soon as he started battling Michael he started pissing me off. He was acting like he was funny and needed to make the audience laugh at him during a part that should have been filled with suspense. His ninja sounds were embarassing, and he made the climax less effective than it could have been.
Overall, I enjoyed it nearly as much as Rosenthal's other Halloween film. It could have benefitted from excluding Busta from the finale and tightening up the middle part of the film, but I thought the opening with Laurie explored some new ground and gave the series a new layer of story. Jamie Lee brought in another great performance, and her similarities to Michael in this film are too obvious to be overlooked as a mere coincidence. There was something I think Rosenthal wanted to say about the relationship between the two characters, and I admire what he did with the finished project. If only the rest of the film were as interesting and layered as the opening was.
What we have here is a great short film mixed with a decent one.
....well.......Lil' Bow Wow is slated to appear in RETURN TO SLEEPAWAY CAMP along with ANOTHER rapper co-star........it's like they are PUNISHING the genre fans on purpose sometimes......
You're kidding... right?
Couldn't disagree more Dave.
I thought H8 was good - the opening sequence was amazing, sure it had it's flaws as well as some dubious casting choices but I thought it worked. I'd have no problems at all recommending this one!
I can't begin to describe how much I hated this movie. I gathered up a bunch of my friends and set out for a 2-hour road trip to see this movie. The first fifteen minutes were ok. Even at that point though I started get this sick feeling in my stomach. After that everything went downhill. Thirty minutes into the movie and I seriously began to consider asking my friends if they wanted to leave and go get something to eat (or watch paint dry). Busta Rhymes did his absolute best to destroy this franchise for me. I came out of this movie with a determination I've never had about a series before, and that is a determination never to see a Halloween movie again. I felt really bad for dragging my friends all that way, having them pay 8 dollars for a movie ticket, and having them sit through garbage like that. I was ashamed to be a horror fan. Sorry for the senseless rant, but I had to let off some steam.
They should rename this movie
I was actually entertained with H8...compared to the travesty that I consider H6 (and H5, to a degree) was...and compared to the crap that has been Friday the 13th parts 8-10 (how they get worse is beyond me, but they keep topping themsleves!)....H8 was fun. I'd rank the series thusly:
2. Halloween 2
4/5. H4 and H8 (can't decide which goes where)
7. H5-Revenge of MM
8. H6-Curse of MM
Little disappointed that Jamie Lee would allow that character to be killed off, although I suppose she could still be alive (but I highly doubt she would return for another installment).
I thought Busta Rhymes was the worst part of the movie...but he wasn't as highly annoying as I feared.
And what was with the waste of Tyra Banks? She diappears! I can see how being a supermodel and all, she probably had some deal where we wouldn't see her getting murdered, but there could have been some stalk/chase stuff, at least.
And I know she had something cut from the film, because in some of the commercials, you see her looking scared outside in front of the house, and that scene was no where to be found. Hopefully, that will make the DVD!
All in all, this was OK...and much better in the Halloween series than Jason X was in the F13th series...
lol. Damn, how many more posts until I get out of the "screamy bopper" category? lol.
I watched H8 today, and thought it was pretty boring. The explanation how Michael survived H20 really sucked, but I guess it could have been worse - the filmmakers could have pretended that H20 never happened, for example. Busta Rhymes' kung fu stuff was just awful, and the screenplay was EXTREMELY short on logic. I didn't really expect much, and I got what I expected: Not much. Too bad.
My Halloween series (with Michael Myers) rating:
2. Halloween 4
3. Halloween 2
3. Halloween H20
5. Halloween 8
6. Halloween 6
7. Halloween 5
Oh hell, why not.
2. Halloween 2
3. Halloween H20
3. Halloween 6
5. Halloween 3
Indeed, why not:
2: Halloween 3
3: Halloween 2
4: Halloween 4
5: Halloween 5
6: Halloween 6
The final two: ignored.
Okay, I'm sure that after all the death/resurrection/death/resurrection that his frnachise has seen, they'll find some way to bring Laurie back to life for yet another movie.
If only Jamie Lee had the sense to call it quits after H20, then this whole piece of poop might never have been made!!!
They'd probably get some teeny bopper actor to play Jamie Lee's part in the movie...and that would have been worse. But then again, a ressurected Laurie would be interesting...hmm?
Eh I agree. Why not.
1. Halloween 1
2. Halloween 2
3. Halloween 4
4. Halloween 8
5. Halloween 6
7. Halloween 5
On another note. I still can't figure out why the screenwriters have never thought to bring back the Tommy Doyle character. Six had the right idea, and so did the comic book. Micheal needs a nemesis now that Jamie Lee is gone, and Tommy could be to Micheal what Tommy Jarvis was to Jason.
Being a screamy bopper and all, I didn't hate <B>Halloween: Resurrection</B> as much as I thought I would. I didn't particularly like the beginning because it felt lifeless. Although I do understand why Laurie wanted to lift the mask first... she was a mental patient! The last portion of the movie was predictable. I was hoping that all of the characters would be killed off but I knew that the screamer and Busta Rhymes would survive.
1. Explained the boogey man in terms of Jungian philosophy.
2. The homage to <B>Peeping Tom</B> was cool.
3. The slagging of "reality TV" was great.
Here's my list:
My idea for H9:
Continue on with the <B>Halloween III: Season of the Witch</B> story. A possible title: <B>Halloween IX: Season of the Witch II</B>.