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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    That's not a big surprise. I think most of the horror films on Netflix get that rating. Or, hopefully- I suppose, at least just the newer ones. I'd hope the classics get better ratings, but I see that rating on almost every horror movie on Netflix.
     
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    It was pretty forgettable. I've got to say, I don't understand the love for Kevin Smith either. I'm not sure I've really liked any of his movies and his segment here was one of the worst of the bunch and a waste of the Halloween segment.
     
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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Clerks was pretty good.
     
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    I just can't get into it and really don't understand the people who think it's fantastic. I was pretty bored and found it mostly dull. It's just people talking most of the time and I usually hate the characters he comes up with as a lot of them come across as unlikeable dicks.
     
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    There is a very large crop of films like that. Especially in the 90's.

    What did you expect them to do, though? They are... clerks. You know? Their job kiiiiiinda requires standing behind counters and serving customers. I'd say Smith definitely did something right there.
     
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    Yeah I get it but I just didn't find it that humorous. The dialogue and way the characters are written in his films is mostly uninteresting to me. I just can't get into it and fail to understand the popularity of most of the films he makes. It legitimately surprises me.
     
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    Neither did I. But it was as much character oriented as it was one-liner / gag driven. And the characters are meant to represent types of people we've all met. Frankly, I have met a lot of those people.


    Clerks is the only one of his films I've seen all the way through. I've seen pieces of Chasing Amy and can confirm from there that he was trying to do something completely different from Clerks.

    I can definitely comment on the fact that I think he's way too into comic books and superhero movies. For a guy who's never made one, a lot of his career now coasts on his stories of studio pitch meetings and talks with executives.
     
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    Clerks was great when it came out. It has aged poorly. I find it (and Mallrats for that matter) to be unwatchable now. Jay and Silent Bob to me are as dated and difficult to watch as Beavis and Butthead.
     
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    X-human I ate my keys

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    I guess I'll step in and say that I watched Mallrats recently and still found it most entertaining. The vast majority of 90's comedies have aged abysmally, as have most 90's movies over all, but I put Kevin Smith closer to the top of that heap than the bottom. I don't think even his hard core fans will defend him as an artiste de jure but then I hated Chasing Amy, his contribution to the Criterion Collection, which many hard core fans do hold up as Smith at his pinnacle. For me Chasing Amy is everything stated above wrong with Kevin Smith's film to their zenith. Ben Affleck is one of the biggest douche bags in the world here and the film is mostly talk with no (comedic-centric) action at all. So I can see where others pick up on this in his remaining filmography. But I do enjoy his dialog still, much more than Quentin Tarantino's recent output, and since it's perhaps his only strength I still dig him.

    Now, pertaining to this forum, I did enjoy Tusk immensely seeing it in the theaters. The Johnny Depp stuff was awful, don't get me wrong, but everything else about it was fun. And while I haven't yet seen Red State that seems to get mostly good reviews even by doubters and even around threads in these parts if I'm not mistaken. His next film Yoga Hosers sounds like a flop but after that is Moose Jaws which is Jaws with a Moose so that's shaping up to be another Tusk perhaps, and I'm looking forward to his touted Krampus movie. He's closer to my wheelhouse now than ever before even at his supposed prime.

    But his movies are still making money because he's retained enough of a fan base and he's adapted. He's not trying to make the same movies any more. He's dabbling in broader genre's. He's not pinning for bigger budgets. He's doing what he can with what he has, and that's commendable. Lots of other film makers have dropped out at this point, so he must be doing something right.
     
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    Agree!

    I don't know what it is with 90:s movies, but they aged horribly, compared with movies from the 70:s and the 80:s.
    Sure, there were some good movies coming out. But it was also a horrible testing ground for some truly dreadful CGI abominations.
    Guess it's because the 90:s really didn't have the same kind of style and identity, compared to the earlier decades.
    Especially the early 90:s (1990-1993) which felt like a bad hangover, from the 80:s, with fashions out of a nightmare :D
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    BURN MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I still love Clerks, Chasing Amy and Mallrats. Jay and Silent Bob I find watchable but not all that great. I haven't found anything since from Kevin Smith to be anything special.
     
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    I'm looking at my lists for movies from the 80's and 90's that I think still hold up right now, and I'm seeing there might be an interesting development here.

    The 80's: Ghostbusters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Airplane!, E.T., Back to the Future, Beetlejuice, Say Anything, The Neverending Story, Batman, Little Shop of Horrors, The Breakfast Club, Blue Velvet. Etc. All sizably Hollywood productions. All films considered mainstream. Quite white, ultra-straight. Nothing too confrontational or depressing for middle America.

    The 90's: Fargo, Truth or Dare, Pulp Fiction, Boyz N the Hood, Fallen Angels, Trainspotting, Clerks, El Mariachi, Paris is Burning, Showgirls, Three Colors: Red, The Glass Shield, Audition. Independent films, international productions / art films, black films and filmmakers, queer films and filmmakers (my favorites being Gregg Araki and Cheryl Dunye). A huge lot of them Very confrontational. A lot of films about violence. A lot of films de-glamorizing the 80's. A lot of films with untraditional leads.

    The 80's go-to for subversive commentary seemed to have been war films (Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July). Violence outside America. In the 90's, it was violence inside America. (Though I definitely think that kind of thing started in the late 80's with stuff like Do the Right Thing, Blue Steel, and Heathers.) Hell, in Fargo and Pulp Fiction, you kind of have literal examples of home invasion being played for comedy. In the 80's, Dead Ringers treated drug addiction like a horrifying, scarring thing. In the 90's, Trainspotting treated it with irony and grotesque humor.

    I definitely think mainstream film in the 90's got dumber / vastly more reductive- Armageddon, The Shawshank Redemption, Forrest Gump, The Bodyguard, Space Jam, Patch Adams, The Lion King, Twister, Tommy Boy, Conspiracy Theory, In & Out, American Pie, Double Jeopardy, Hook, Body of Evidence, Varsity Blues, The Beverly Hillbillies Movie, Necessary Roughness, Teaching Mrs. Tingle, The Neverending Story 2, The Specialist, The Object of My Affection, Jade, The Butcher's Wife, Ed, The Beautician and the Beast, everything Adam Sandler touched, everything Don Bluth touched, everything Eddie Murphy touched, everything related to the Power Rangers.

    But I sort of think the best hold up that much better. Especially Jackie Brown, The Cable Guy, The Player, Three Kings, The Muppet Christmas Carol, The Game, The Double Life of Veronique, Joe vs the Volanco, Rushmore. I like Jurassic Park more today than I ever did in the 90's. I think I like Speed more now as well. I can watch Showgirls and think it's actually So Good, It's Great rather than so bad it's good. (I also think Ferngully: The Last Rainforest is better than any of Disney's animated offerings of the decade. Is that a shootable offense?)

    Though, I will admit a few films don't have the same "magic" anymore. Sadly, Edward Scissorhands is right up there. Toy Story's another. The Mask is a 3rd (though that soundtrack is still excellent). But, I think I'm fine with that. Because I'm still watching the same movies I used to love. I'm still watching Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead and A Very Brady Sequel and Basic Instinct and Clueless and Wayne's World and The Addams Family movies. I'm not sure 80's critics who herald the decade are always objective. Why should I be?
     
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    I can agree with almost all of this except Speed and Showgirls. I walked out of Showgirls in the theater (it doesn't end!), and wish I walked out of Speed.
     
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    Say what you want about Chasing Amy, but it did provide us with this gem:

     
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    I'm iffy on Speed as, like, the Die Hard of the 90's. I just meant that I genuinely like it now and I didn't care much for it in the 90's.

    As for Showgirls... turns out that I'm a pretty basic fag- I utterly love every frame of that thing. I can most certainly confirm that it ended. And the angels wept when it did.

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    Yes, Speed and Die Hard do go hand in hand. Die Hard gets the edge because of Alan Rickman.

    I recall wanting to see Showgirls because it was Verhoeven's next film after Basic Instinct which I still love, and because Elizabeth Berkeley and Gina Gershon remain clotheless throughout, however even that became tiresome after the opening credits.
     
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    Well, everyone knows: Bruce Willis > Keanu Reeves in every category except the one that gave us Dangerous Liaisons. But I haven't seen Point Break yet, so I have to assume that Willis is the master of the Hollywood blockbuster actioner.


    When I finally got around to watching it (last year), I was fully prepared to roll my eyes for all the reasons every YouTube video reviewer have pointed out (CinemaSins, Movie Nights, Nostalgia Chick, Fanboy Flicks, Why Does This Exist, The Escapist, etc).

    But it's just magical. I'll keep saying it's a gay thing ifneedbe. Although, I have heard a lot of people compare it to David Lynch. Which is unusual, because I despise Mulholland Drive (his movie about showbiz, therefore loosely thematically connecting it to Showgirls for the people who like this theory). But they say everyone likes Lynch. (I can't see this as comparable to Lost Highway- Lynch's closest thing to a masterpiece that I've seen.)
     
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    I am not a huge fan of Mulholland Drive, yet I own the blu-ray (Mulholland Falls too, unrelelated...but I figured I'd mention it). Naomi Watts steals the show and it's really made up of good scenes, but isn't necessarily a great film imo. Certainly not Criterion worthy, but that's debatable. I find David Lynch himself to be more entertaining than his films.

     
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    That was hilarious. I tend to agree too. I've never been able nor have I had the desire to watch a full movie on my phone. It just seems awkward and like Lynch says, you just won't get the same experience.
     
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    I LOVE Kevin Smith and Clerks is in my top 10 comedies of all time. I can understand one disliking it but I love it.

    Saying that I find Chasing Amy to be one of the most overrated comedies of all time. As much as I adore Smith I could never get into that one.
     
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