HOstel 2 Teaser Trailer

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  1. dwatts

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    That ankle scene...... in the chair..... it's so much WORSE second time around. It really freaks me out. :D

    That's a sign of something Roth did right. I can't remember the last time a film got nitpicked to death like this. Disliked maybe, certain aspects debated, but not like this.

    Horror films often have sex in them. Horror films have scenes in which women get killed, often violently. Horror films have people in them that you're not supposed to like very much. Horror films are made by assholes as well as nice people. Some people in horror films are superficial and vain. Not everyone likes a particular horror film. Most horror films - the vast majority of them - lack originality.

    It's that simple.
     
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    This entire thread is gay.

    - John "FulciLives" Coleman
     
  3. Agent Z

    Agent Z "Get to the river...

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    Yeah, like rhett doesn't have explaining of his own to do, when it comes to potentially offensive labels/remarks... :p

    I haven't seen Hostel yet, but after reading this entire thread, I feel like it's etched in the very fiber of my being now, sadly enough.
     
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    Think about it. Try reading the books. Substitute the nonhuman behaviors with the machines actions. And vice versa. Think of what the band of survivors are doing. think of the entire concept. Civilization gone wirey. Think of what the survivors are trying to get to(safe place) Think of what they try to do, to kill the machines/unnormal humans, etc.....

    Thinks of what the survivors are trying to lead the machines/unnormals to do..............

    You can't see the similarities? Its quite obvious.
     
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    I never said it was wrong or gratuitous, just tired, boring and cliche.

    Oh, boobies......*yawn*

    It's a sad standby, can't think of something original to keep the audience's interest? Show tits. Enter: Eli Roth.
     
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    Pardon me but there was absolutely NO moral judgment what so ever.

    Anyway, it's a fairly simple point here. I watch horror for certain reasons, none of which being "I want half the movie to be nothing but pussy shots. B-E-A-V-E-R!" That's what porno is for.
     
  7. Workshed

    Workshed a.k.a. Villyan Shit

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    Bah, there plenty of examples to disprove this notion. Not the least of which belong to Argento. Sex & Violence = Horror films. With sex comes nudity.

    And there are plenty of PG-13 Horror films out there that dare not expose any boring flesh. Also, stay away from most Horror films made the 1980s.

    I'm repeating myself, which is always a bad sign. I guess now I have to see Hostel. This discussion + Mok's recommendation, well, here goes.
     
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    Come on, these people are just trying to wind us up now :lol:

    Baggio - please name three original horror films made in the last twenty years. Original in the sense that they couldn't be torn down by the types of generalizations you're making. That might help.

    As for evilbaby - well there's no way to respond. I'm an old tired man, but I confess I've never had boobies enduce a yawn. :)

    All murder mysteries are cliche and tired. Someone gets killed, someone investigates, the identity of the murderer is found out at the end. They're punished - or not. THE END. Cliche, tired, not worth seeing. Enter: Hitchcock. :lol:
     
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    Workshed a.k.a. Villyan Shit

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    I am completely baffled by this, Baggio. Please explain. Every King adaptation since Maximum Overdrive is a rehash? :eek2:
     
  10. DrHerbertWest

    DrHerbertWest For Your Health

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    Immaturity at its finest. What I was saying, what I meant to legitimately and literally say, is that I'm tired of coming to a thread and seeing all the sarcasm and personal attacks whether you like or dislike a movie. I know for a fact that certain people hate the movie, because they posted on it. I know for a fact that certain people liked the movie, because they posted on it. It doesn't need to escalate into other things. All these posts in and now we have people discussing Roth's next project, Bill O'Reilly, Stephen King ripoffs, boobs in older horror movies, etc. It just doesn't end...

    I didn't mean to offend. It just gets tiring.
     
  11. baggio

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    are you talking about Stephen King's Cell and Maximum Overdrive generalizations?



    Again I tried to explain it without giving away spoilers. (which is very hard while trying not to get too specific) The scenerios have familiarity. I will say there is a specific scenerio that the survivors do thats so close to MO its not even funny. I'm not he first to see this. I forgot where but there was a book forum that had this discussion, a while ago.

    Listen, it's no big deal , I'm just saying that there are similarities.

    A few of his books do this. Thats his thing.
     
  12. _pi_

    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    Stephen King uses a lot of similar characters/plots/scenarios in his novels, especially his late 80s-late 90s stuff. Sometimes it feels like he has a big bag of characters and plots and just pulls a few out every time he starts a new novel. For example, I'm reading Desperation now and it feels very much like Needful Things meets Storm of the Century meets probably a lot more of his work.

    But that's part of the reason I love King. You always know what you're getting yourself into when you read a book of his and for some reason they always work in spite of that deja vu feeling you get. Then again, sometimes he also goes into a completely different direction and writes something truly original (and I mean original in the sense that it's something he hasn't done before himself) like The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon or Gerald's Game.

    And, although I had decided to leave this thread well alone (since I've discussed my feelings about Roth ad nauseam in another thread), I really must say - regarding the discussion of originality - that there is no such thing as "original" art. Every artist either borrows from or is inspired by something else, whether it is another work of art or some other experience. The term originality is overused (and overrated) and really has no significance.
     
  13. aoiookami

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    You're always welcome to not participate in a thread if you dont like the direction its going. But everything people are talking about now DOES go back to Hostel and Roth, so.....
    Anyways, like RyanPC said this thread is interesting, and I dont see any personal attacks.
     
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    So you're boiling horror films down to being nothing more than sex & violence? "Sex & Violence = Horror films." So Carpenter's "The Thing" had zero sex (zero women for that matter) and what, it's not a horror film?

    You could also say that sex & violence = action films or daytime TV, etc etc.
     
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    --are you talking about Stephen King's Cell and Maximum Overdrive generalizations?--

    I'm simply trying to ascertain what you consider "original". You've constantly bashed Hostel for not being "original", so I'm trying to figure out what, for you, IS original. You can go back 30 years if you want, 40 years. But a short list of films that are/were "original" would be useful for me. I am truly baffled by some of your comments, I think it must be a failure to communicate (probably my fault). I was hoping you could help me out.

    --But that's part of the reason I love King. You always know what you're getting yourself into when you read a book of his and for some reason they always work in spite of that deja vu feeling you get.--

    Every single author out there is like this. PD James, Manette Walters, Elizabeth George, Jonathon Kellerman - all mystery writers, all mining their particular area by... well being themselves and following their own stylistic choices - which include similar characters, situations, and plot threads. This, I've not doubt, is what makes them popular in the first place. Even Agatha Christie, a mystery great, could be accused of being "samey". :D

    Sex and violence has ben an intrinsic part of the horror genre forever. Right back to silent movies. How anyone could have missed it is baffling.
     
  16. kyouki

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    I found Hostel to be pretty entertaining... before it came out I was squarely in the "this movie will be awful" camp. But I felt bad about badmouthing the thing without watching it, so I bought the DVD, watched it, and was pretty pleasantly surprised.

    I've never seen Cabin Fever (I have no desire to see this), and judging from the special features on the Hostel disc, Eli Roth seems like he can't string a sentence together without throwing "fuck" or "fuckin'" somewhere in it. So while I don't hate him personally, he isn't exactly charming. Does it matter? Well, he's making movies, not dating my daughter, so I couldn't care less about his personality. I haven't seen anything that indicates he's a jerk or anything, so who knows.

    Anyway, there are plenty of American kids/guys that act just like the guys in Hostel. I don't think it's homophobic to include characters in your movie that could be seen as homophobes. Isn't it a pretty dangerous thing to do? To assume that the writer of a movie is incapable of creating a character that doesn't act and think exactly as he himself does? It seems like that's an exceptionally strange viewpoint to have, especially if you are a fan of horror movies.

    It's so obvious that you are supposed to hate the main characters in Hostel. They are stereotypical loud and obnoxious American frat assholes. I would seriously worry about anyone who would watch this and think, "those guys are so cool! It would be awesome to hang out with them!" I mean, that was one of the most often repeated criticisms of the movie when it first came out- the main characters are despicable. Do you think this was an accident?

    I'm not seeing the misogyny. When Kana kills herself near the end of the movie, there's no way you can watch that scene and think that Roth is suggesting that woman should act like this. It's a tragic scene. From what I remember, Paxton himself is trying to convince her not to go through with it during the scene. Watching that scene all I could think was, "Why did she do that?? She was so close to escaping!!"

    So I'm not seeing a lot of the criticisms leveled against this movie. I can understand if someone doesn't like it... but to say it is homophobic and misogynistic? Or to complain about there being a lot of nudity in a movie about a bunch of annoying American jerks trying to get laid in Europe? They just don't seem like valid criticisms to me.
     
  17. baggio

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    Are you sure you talking to me? When have I constantly bashed Hostel for not being "original" ? I bash Eli, for being a hack. I have a problem with him and his views. I might have said that statement before in passing but I'm not constantly bringing up the "original" issue on Hostel. Other people here are discussing the non originality issue of Hostel. So I really can't give you any examples. The only one I could think of would be Live Feed maybe, did the concept first. But so far I can't think of any more.

    I'm made a comment about the Cell. and that I have seen it before when it was called Maximum Overdrive. It was my attempt at making a joke. But seriously, there are similarities between the two stories. Its more of directed towards King. I would have said that comment even if Martin Scorsese was going to direct it. But I'm sure Eli will mess it up anyway regardless.

    I'm against Eli making any movie.
     
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  18. onebyone

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    Agreed. I am still afraid he is going to come back to The Bad Seed.

    The "original" issue was first discussed because some Eli fans said he should be praised for being original, and other people such as my self said "the hell he is original." There was a lot of back and forth on it, but that's what the original discussion was about. No one is saying every movie or piece of art has to be completely new and groundbreaking to be interesting. However, it should probably not be god awful crap.
     
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    Did you conveniently forget the & Violence in my quote or what? The Thing has plenty and plenty of violence.

    And yes, that is exactly what I am saying. All Horror films have sex and violence, much like any and all nudity in Horror films can be boiled down to

    and a lack of "orginality." Right?

    I can see my poor attempts at sarcasm to your sweeping generalizations have fallen flat. And so with this, I will bow my way out.
     
  20. baggio

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    I hope not on the Bad Seed too.


    But just for fun, (and after some thought) if I was going to be labeled for constantly bring up the originality thing. Why not dive in the discussion about Hostel.

    Ok, lets try:

    Live Feed -(this is the one that was blatant) Just ask Ryan Nicholson. I'm surprised he's not suing.

    "I wrote "Live Feed" a year before "Hostel" was even announced, before anyone including myself or you for that matter had ever heard about it. fangoria.com did a spot on "Live Feed" in 2004. I didn't rip off "Hostel" but rather paid homage to the classics with what little pennies I had to make the movie."

    That Eli found the idea from a website is BS.

    And,

    The Chair
    Tourist Trap
    Hills Have Eyes
    etc.....................................................

    All "Tourists in Peril" movies.

    Bottom line - I guess everybody rips a little off from everybody. It even happens in music all the time.
     
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