Joe Dante's THE HOWLING (1981) from Shout Factory 6/18

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    Are there any blus that are open matte, though? Most films shot that way were because it was cheaper, not because they were supposed to be shown that way in theaters. Directors don't usually intend boom mikes in the frame to be part of their vision.
     
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    The Howling

    Wasn't The Howling's original widescreen ratio 1.66:1? What the hell is it doing being shown in 1.85:1? And is there any boom mics visible in the full-frame version of this movie?
     
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    I would imagine 80% of movies shot in Super35 (or films shot in full screen and matted widescreen) didn't have any boom mikes or production equipment when open-matted to full screen. When a film is open-matte, ihe reason might be to make the film television friendly so that way nothing is cut off (even if widescreen was the intended ratio for those films).
     
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    The Howling

    Actually open-matte means that the cinematographer composes each full-screen scene/shot in such a way that when the movie does go to theaters and gets cropped to widescreen that there's no vital/important info cropped from the top and bottom of the full-frame image............that's open-matte.
     
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    I don't think that was the case for at least the first few decades. The reason why they created widescreen films is to get people back to the theater because too many people were staying home watching TV. So why would filmmakers give TV too much consideration when composing shots? I can't think of any specific examples of where something intruded into frame in the open matte presentation of the Howling, but it doesn't have to be anything quite so obvious as a boom mike either. It could be seeing the end of the set on top. The example I always remember is in Pee Wee's Big Adventure when Pee Wee is chaining up his bike you can see the chain coming up from a hole in the bottom of the bike in the open matte version.

    I've no idea why The Howling is cropped to 1.85 from 1.66, but to my eyes I almost see little to no difference between the two on my TV. 1.66 is a European standard rather than an American one, so if that was indeed the OAR it was put in place to accomodate Europeans. No filmmaker realistically expects American theaters to show their film in that ratio so any detail lost between the two is probably in all liklihood unimportant.
     
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    They're open-matte because of the squarish frame that 35mm has. As far as I know, up until recently with HD digital cameras, every singe movie shot on 35mm that was intended to be cropped to 1.85 or 1.66 has an open-matte version.

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    90% + do, but there are exceptions like almost all Abel Ferrara flicks and some John Woo (Hard Boiled) used "hard-mattes", which cropped them in camera, leaving no extra picture on the sides and true pan & scan 4X3 versions.
     
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    so keep the scandinavian dvd for the welcome to werewolf land doc and the fake porn movie thing ( never watch it, but I'm a completist)
     
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    I was reading the DVDBeaver review and I realized something; the runtimes on the Unleashing The Beast documentary are different. It seems the documentary on the Scream Factory release is 48 mins long while on the MGM disc 54 mins long. Why is that?
     
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    Maybe Shout dropped the intros and credit sequences?
     
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    DVDBeaver's runtimes are correct. I've checked the Blu-ray and the old DVD, and the documentary is definitely that much longer on the older DVD.

    The picture quality of the documentary also looks better on the old DVD for some reason. The Blu-ray has bad "combing" problems that are very noticeable. They probably recoded it, and these artifacts were introduced in that process. There are none of these combing issues noticeable in the doc on the older DVD.

    I am fairly certain this is what the runtime difference is...

    The documentary was in 5 separate "parts" on the old DVD. You could choose to play the entire documentary, or just view each of the 5 parts. Each of those parts has "end credits" which play over 1+ minutes each. Those end credits played whether you chose to view the entire documentary, or just one of the 5 parts. Shout simply cut those end credits out of the documentary.

    So multiply that, and it accounts for the runtime discrepancy. I seriously doubt anything is actually missing from the documentary on the Blu-ray.
     
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    I had a feeling it had something to do with the credits but I thought that was unlikely. So in short, nothing is missing from the documentary itself (other than the end credits)?
     
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    No, I didn't notice anything missing. The excision of the end credits would have shaved off about 6 minutes from the total running time.
     
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    Well thanks so much for clearing that up! :D
     
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    The terrible truth:


    Shout Factory's edition of "The Howling" is an audio/video disgrace.
    Not only is it the same Universal/StudioCanal HD transfer with it's terrible contrast and green push- with zero contrast or color corrections by Shout Factory. As if that wasn't enough the "original mono track" is actually a 2.0 down mix of the 5.1 MGM mix. The Universal/StudioCanal disc actually had the original Mono mix as DTS HD Master Audio.

    Once again Shout Factory proves itself to be the American version of Arrow Video, lazy and all about the package- not whats inside it.
     
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    that's why I didn't bother... thank god..
     
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    It looks way better than the DVD I have now, so I'm happy.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. It also has one of the best sets of extras for a catalog genre release this year. Very happy with my purchase.
     

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