John Woo's The Killer in March on BD

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  1. indiephantom

    indiephantom Horny Spirit

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    Very nice. I will definitely buy this even though I think I over the course of 10 years I have owned at least 3 different dvd versions The Killer.
     
  3. Kolpitz

    Kolpitz Purely and Simply Evil

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    I hope this comes to fruition. This is my favorite John Woo film and the Winstar DVD I have isn't anamorphic.
     
  4. Erick H.

    Erick H. Well-Known Member

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    Love that film,saw it in the theater.Dragon Dynasty has put out some very nice standard def discs,I hope their Blu's are equally fine.
     
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    This looks like a good time to re-visit this film. I'm still chilling with the Criterion laserdisc as the dvd was way too expensive. I'd rather it be Hard Boiled than The Killer, but both are great films.
     
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    I prefer that film, too. But I did manage to get the CC of Hard Boiled before prices got crazy, and I still haven't bought The Killer. It's been so long since I've watched it.
     
  7. One of my action film favorites should kick some serious ass on High Def.
     
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    I'm hoping someone will re-release the Hard Boiled blu-ray with a better transfer.
     
  9. Kolpitz

    Kolpitz Purely and Simply Evil

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    Ouch! Early word from multiple sources is that the Blu-ray is absolute garbage. Here's the lowdown from DVD Beaver:

    Truthfully, the images don't look all that bad to me (though they do look fairly DNRed). This movie has never looked good on the VHS I had or the multiple DVDs I've owned. Still, screen grabs rarely show the atrociousness of an interlaced transfer and, as the review says, an interlaced Blu-ray is simply unacceptable. I canceled my pre-order on Amazon. Hopefully, I can get the BD from Netflix and judge for myself.
     
  10. Erick H.

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    I have my doubts about a Blu of this film.It is inherently grainy.Finding the right balance between getting a sharp high def transfer and ''cleaning up" the grain (as they tend to try to do with many BR's) may be a tough job.Go too far either way and people will bitch about it.
     
  11. 2D4EVER

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    Dragon Dynasty is fucking up their blu rays royally. Forget grain. They seem intent on only releasing interlaced blu rays. Who the fuck is in charge over there?
     
  12. Matt89

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    OMG wow. I was gonna buy this but FUCK THAT. Interlaced!!?? Jesus Christ what IS it with studios recently!? House on Sorority Row gets re-released interlaced, then Alliance over here in Canada releases a shitlad of blu-rays (The Others, The English Patient, Good Will Hunting, Halloween 6, Halloween H20, Halloween: Resurrection) - all interlaced. Dragon Dynasty's first blu-ray release, The 36th Chamber of Shaolin is also interlaced.

    Fuck, I'm actually really pissed. The Criterion has been OOP forever and it's non-anamorphic. Now we get this half-assed piece of shit blu-ray? Goddamnit. Motherfuckers.

    And I fucking LOVE how they used the English title for the film instead of having the original title in Cantonese with "The Killer" underneath. :rolleyes: Makes me wonder how accurate the subtitles are...

    Fuckers...

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    Bey Logan was the soul of Hong Kong Legends and Dragon Dynasty...

    Now, Hong Kong Legends has turned into Cine Asia and Dragon Dynasty has lowered their often perfect standarts. They even made a deal with Hong Kong Legends so is no secret that the Killer is probably the same version of the old Hong Kong Legends with a bunch of new extras that were produced just to fill the disk.

    You can only get quality releases of Asian movies if the name Bey Logan is on the credits and in the production of the Dvd...
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    X-human I ate my keys

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    Erick, there is no restoration benefits in interlaced video nor digital artifacts. These are all faults of the mastering, not the source material. Fans have every right to bitch. Weinsteins also released a "why even bother" transfer on Blu-ray for Hard Boiled. And people wonder why they're going out of business.

    In my mind let the source material speak for itself. There may be better source material out there than a company uses (like the case with the director's cut of Army of Darkness for example) but you'll never see me complain about grain, a scratch, a splice or a reel change marker. These are within the nature of the beast while DNR, EE, ghosting, compression artifacts and other tell tale video signs are completely avoidable by competent mastering.
     
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    ^ Word.

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    X,I never meant to imply that no one had any cause to bitch about a substandard transfer.I meant only that this film (which I saw in the theater when it was new) is a VERY grainy film and I find that a lot of Blu Ray fans (some less knowledgable than yourself) tend to freak out when they see ANY film grain while I'm sure you have also seen transfers so tweaked to eliminate grain as to look almost like video,leaving flesh tones and details as devoid of life as anything George Lucas ever dreamed up at ILM.I simply meant that this might prove a tough title to please everyone.

    As to getting an interlaced transfer in 2010,bitch away !
     
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    isn't the purpose of blu ray to get that much closer to the original image as it first appeared on a piece of film? film has grain, and so when i see a blu ray, the film grain is what i want to see. now new films, shot on digital or whatever, won't have that grain, and thats fine. but i'd go out on a limb here and say that anyone who makes statements like "I hate grain" isn't actually a blu-ray fan. at least as it applies to films made more than 10 years ago.

    As far as making a transfer of a grainy film like the killer that will please everyone, i would hope that anyone who is an actual fan of the film, and other films of that era and genre, will be educated enough to realize that film grain is a good thing.
     
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    This is what happens any time a new piece of technology starts to catch on. The average Joe gets their hands on it, misunderstands it and has it changed for the worse. This happened with DVD. DVD was, at first, mainly meant for cinephiles. Aside from the occasional hiccup, most DVDs were in their original aspect ratios, with cinephile-friendly extras like commentary, behind-the-scenes docs, deleted scenes, etc. Enter mainstream audiences and, all of a sudden, we're getting full frame releases (either separate releases or dual discs). Having just come off of VHS for close to 20 years, combined with P&S TV broadcasts for longer than that, people wanted the picture "to fill their screen" and not have those "annoying black bars." Ma & Pa Kettle complained and the studios answered. The same thing is happening with Blu-ray. Joe Schmoe goes into Best Buy, where the TVs are playing a BD of something shot in HD (or a computer animated film) and they assume that all BDs will look crystal clear. When they get to the BDs that weren't crystal clear, they bitch and moan about the "distracting grain." Once again, studios answer their complaints, this time with excessive DNR. It's a double-edged sword though because, without it catching on with the public at large, Blu-ray would die off. So, we get to keep the format we love (well, most of us anyway) but now we'll have to deal with transfers that have been tinkered with to the point that the film almost becomes unrecognizable.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 1080i shouldn't it still look better then the DVDs as they can only be upconverted to 480p? Or is the transfer being progressive scanned even more important then the 720 or 1080 lines of resolution?

    And don't get me wrong, they should still be ashamed releasing these to Blu Ray, but I'm curious if this disc and The 36th Chamber of Shaolin Blu Ray would still look better then their DVD versions, as it seems they are pretty much priced the same.
     
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