Legalize Drugs?

Discussion in 'Reader Polls' started by SaviniFan, Apr 8, 2009.

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Should Drugs Be Legalized?

  1. Drugs should be legalized

    29 vote(s)
    58.0%
  2. Drugs should remain illegal

    15 vote(s)
    30.0%
  3. I don't care

    6 vote(s)
    12.0%
  1. Same here. I voted "Yes", but it was only for marijuana. Pot never killde anyone, so that one is okay. It grows naturally and as many noted, no one has over OD'd from it. The rest should stay illegal cause they're indefinately MUCH more harmful.
     
  2. SaviniFan

    SaviniFan I Have A Fetish

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    I think I shoulda given a voting choice of "Yes-but for marijuana only" before I completed the poll. I know that would be my true choice if anything should be legalized. One thing I call bullshit on is the claim that marijuana is a "gateway drug". I have smoked a lot of pot in my younger years and NEVER had the interest to try any other drug. The thought of trying any hallucinogen scares the shit out of me. I don't want to see people melting or bugs crawling on me. And screw the other stuff like cocaine or ecstacy. Far from me wanting to risk an overdose or have a friggin' heart attack on the spot.

    I say legalize marijuana and regulate it like alcohol. 21 and over only, can't walk down your neighborhood street smoking it, no driving under the influence. Make strict regulations for a license to sell. Selling on the street or from your home should still remain illegal.
     
  3. bigdaddyhorse

    bigdaddyhorse Detroit Hi-on

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    Eat a couple shrooms. Unless they're just the best ever, you probably won't see anything melt and won't have panic attacks, you'll just be happy and laughing at everything, because they make the not funny funny as fuck.:D I've only hallucinated from shrooms once or twice, and both times I ate a lot. Seeing shit can be fun, just be in a good mood before using. I remember I traded some hippy in the parking lot of a Dead show an eighth or weed for an eighth of shrooms. When I looked at them I was sure I got beat, looked like they bought them at Kroger and put em in a ziplock. So me and bud split the whole bag, figuring we won't get anything out of it. An hour later the trees were walking down the street, my face hurt from laughing, and the bullseye on the dartboard we playing on got as big as a basketball. I couldn't miss once those kicked in.

    Acid, be sure you're in a good frame of mind before trying. Back when I was a teen, I had too many worries. I was about to go to jail for DUI, and was going to be first on the draft list for Desert Storm, which I really didn't believe in. Anyway, one night the guy I got my weed from had just got a bunch of acid, and went around to everyone at his place giving them a hit (more like demanding they took one). I did, and thankfully I had friends with me later. It just amplifies your feelings, and with so much worry I was convinced my life was over and went to jump off a parking structure. My friends stopped me, literally pulling me off the ledge and into the car. I've only dropped twice since then, and only on those days when I was king of the world, or needed the unlimited drinking power it also gives you.
     
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  4. baggio

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    I only fear that it would tie up our court systems even further worse than they are now.

    And then police will have to do a whole new set of tests for determining what is the legal "limit" that a person is on the drug.

    Forget it. Too complicated the way it is now with alcohol.

    On the prison issue. A guy does time just because he had a small amount of weed in his possession and people get upset by this.

    I have no problem with this personally. Put it this way, should they let go a guy that has just a small amount of child porn on his computer? Slap on a wrist. He only had about 50 photo's versus some nut who had a 1000 photos. Same goes for murder, bank robbery, etc...

    Rule of thumb. If its illegal than its ILLEGAL. Which means its ILLEGAL.

    Keep it the way it is now. Illegal.

    :lol:
     

  5. :lol: PRICELESS story! I loved it.

    And I agree SaviniFan: The inclusion of that into the Poll would have greatly helped, but it's cool bro ...
     
  6. spawningblue

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    I agree, just make it have the same rules as alcohol, 19 or over (That's our drinking law in Canada, actually 18 in Quebec). I have never been able to figure out why it was never legalized while cigarettes and alcohol were. Especially alcohol, as it has lead to many deaths due to drunk drivers. Hell, even many fights are started due to alcohol, don't know of too many fights due to marijuana. If anything, it might make clubs more relaxing instead of people getting pissed and knifing or shooting each other.
     
  7. KGBRadioMoskow

    KGBRadioMoskow Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, some people actually live by that logic. The classic case of equating legality with morality. If its illegal, it must be so for a legitimate reason, which means it must be wrong, which means it should remain illegal. A conveniently simple mindset to have, as it never requires any objective review of the issues.

    Its a circular logic loop which all assumes an original validity which might not actually exist - that the original reason for prohibition was both justifiable and currently applicable. Its all a nifty and comforting mindset as long as one remains in the self-reinforcing loop, actually take an objective look at the justification and suddenly the realization may come that the hamster wheel doesn't have any support beams. Its merely spinning on its own momentum in Roadrunner cartoon ignorance of logic gravity, as long as enough people remain convinced that its state is self justifying.

    A society that never reviews the legality of its actions is a stagnant society. While currently there seems to be little resistance to adding more prohibitions, the companion practice of reviewing existing prohibitions is just as essential. Arguments are often made that since some criminal activities are so obviously horrendous that no review for removing their prohibition is necessary, that no criminal activities should be reviewed. And such arguments are patently ridiculous. Such criminal behavior is the easiest to review - the justification for continued criminality being so obvious that no further discussion is necessary. Its the behavior that defies such easy review that should cause society pause. The system must both add restrictions *and* remove them as flaws and omissions are discovered. The current social mindset, that the path to social improvement is strictly through a continuous expansion of an effectively etched in stone list of behaviors that are banned is unhealthy in the extreme.
     
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    What he said! ^ :D
     
  9. allmessedup

    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    I put "remain illegal" just because I think certain drugs should remain that way, but even in those cases I am for decriminalization and an emphasis on treatment.

    Pot being illegal is ridiculous, but I cannot think of any good reason for legalizing meth. I've seen it rip apart too many people, families, etc. But even then, the focus should be on treatment for the user.
     
  10. Anaestheus

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    I've never done any drugs stronger than nicotine and I barely drink alcohol. But, I've had close friends who were into the whole gammut, from soft-core to hard-core. So, I wouldn't say, despite my lack of personal experience, that I live in any particular shell.

    But, I've always liked London's idea of heroin houses. I don't know if this program is still in effect or even what the results were. The central concept was that anyone who wanted to do heroin could legally do it in designated, regulated, and moderated houses that were set up by the government. You pay for a room and you can do as much heroin as you want. Bring whatever "materials" you want to bring in with you to enjoy your nod. And then leave when you finally come back down. You are not allowed to leave until you are sober again. If you OD there, that's your responsibility. And, of course, all money generated goes to the government.

    Overall, I think something like this is the best solution. Prohibition doesn't work. It ends up glamorizing the drug and making criminals rich. But, I can't endorse straight up legalization either as it just puts more idiots on the street. So, the strong libertarian in me wins out and says that as long as you hurt no one but yourself, go ahead. And the "heroin house" model seems like the best way to ensure that no one else will get hurt.
     
  11. Anaestheus

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    All laws are subject to gradation. Theft is illegal, but there is a much stiffer penalty for armed robbery than there is for shoplifting a candy bar. Likewise with killing someone. Different penalties for hitting someone with your car than there are for bludgeoning someone to death and dismembering their body. Even with drunk driving, your BAC comes into consideration during the sentencing. Hell, even with child porn, I'd say there's a difference between having an old Penthouse with Traci Lords and collecting pictures of 12 year olds. (granted that IS THE ONLY CASE I can think of where child porn is possibly excusable)

    The idea of blanket sentencing clogs up the system just as much as gradation by putting more people in prison, getting fed on tax dollars and not producing anything for society. An occasional drug user can still be a functioning member of society if free. Not quite the case if they are locked up for 15 years.
     
  12. f.ramses

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    I say just legalize it all. People already have plenty of legal ways to destroy themselves so a few more really aren't going to hurt. It pisses me off that I have to leave the "land of the free" and go someplace like the Netherlands if I ever want to have the convenience of buying even "soft drugs" in an actual store or using them responsibly in a semi-public place (and even all that is getting ruined nowadays too... :( ). What's worse is the asinine "it's for your own good" attitude the government (read: "Nanny State") has when it comes to these laws. I find this entirely insulting and unacceptable, not to mention completely hypocritical if I am supposedly living in a free country. If I'm an adult I should be free to make my own choice and deal with the risks associated with whatever drug I might happen to choose to do, it's no politicians business to try and stop me unless what I'm doing will directly hurt someone other than myself. I feel this way despite loosing a family member to an overdose and watching several friends and another family member ruin their lives with drugs. I just don't have much sympathy for stupid people even if they are friends or family and I don't see why my freedoms should be limited to protect them from themselves. (It's not like I never said anything to the ones I knew were using but what can you really do?)

    If drugs were ever legalized I do think that there should be age restrictions and stiff penalties for stupid and irresponsible behavior like driving under the influence! Do I think drugs will ever be legalized? No. Do I think just marijuana will ever be legalized? No. Why? Because the government makes a shitload of money arresting people for it (For example, I was arrested in college with a dimebag and in addition to not being allowed to have a license for a year (there was no car involved whatsoever in what happened with me, we were in our dorm room, btw...) I had to pay a total of about $900 in fines...) and the vast majority of the idiots in charge are too stupid and unprogresive to realize that there is even more money to be made with far less effort by taxing the legal sale of drugs. They probably view the idea of legalizing drugs to be pretty much the same as a company just pulling a wildly successful product off the market for no reason at all. The ego's of our politicians are also too big for this to ever happen because legalizing anything would mean that they were wrong to have them illegal in the first place and also wrong in shitting away all that money on the laughably ineffective "war on drugs", legalization would be a sort of admission of this. It's not about doing the right thing or what the people want it's about making the thing you're doing look right or making the people think they want what your doing. Also, as other have mentioned, the government doesn't want the law enforcement or prison "industries" to loose money!
     
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    An entertainingly tasteless piece of irony, from a country that once went to war with China to keep the income flowing from opium dens.

    I'm usually in favor of effective solutions, even if they are unnerving in practice or principle. But I'm fairly certain I don't want the government to be in the business of keeping some of its citizens stoned. The government does a good enough job legally fucking with our heads as is.
     
  14. vampyr789

    vampyr789 9, 10. Never Sleep Again.

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    haha after i saw Requiem for a Dream last month...i never want to do drugs :D
     
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    i'm glad this was pointed out. Everyone points to alcohol as being "legal", yet I lose count of how many people I know have some kind of alcohol-related legal troubles. Whether it's DUI, Drunk and disorderly, open container, drinking in public, underage drinking, etc. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you can't be hassled for it.

    I remember a comedian with the line, "why does everyone want marijuana legalized? Is anyone having trouble GETTING it???". Seriously, I don't think pot smokers know how GOOD they have it right now. Legalize it, and the government will find some kind of way to screw it up. Plus, the illicit nature of it adds a little thrill, doesn't it? I have to admit, I hear stories of the Prohibition era speakeasys, and they sound kinda cool. Cooler than going to the local watering hole with a bunch of drunken douchebags. Of course, that could be rose-colored memories of an era I wasn't even alive for.

    As for episodes of Cops, I notice they pretty much don't care when someone has weed on them. It's only when they have a big brick of it that they have some kind of problem. And more often than not, these people don't just have weed...it's usually crystal meth, crack, prescription pills, etc in addition to the weed and they really can't look the other way on that.

    I'm only against legalizing pot because the people that smoke it (I'm talking about potheads, not the casual smokers) are just so damn stupid and annoying. Always reminds me of the Replacements song "Dope Smoking Morons". They run around going "420! 420! 420!", acting like they've invented pot smoking. News flash: Kids were smoking it when I was in school, and the kids before us were smoking it too. And the kids before them. You haven't discovered shit. Smoke it all you want, just SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT.
     
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    Good for you BigDaddy, well, except for the trying to jump off shit :)

    I was always a bigger fan of acid because I typically knew what I was in for - there were no surprises. With mushrooms I never knew how my body would react. Sometimes it would make me really sluggish and groggy, or give me stomach aches. Of course there were other times I would have blast.

    I always loved when people would say "eat mushrooms, they're organic and grow out of the ground. Don't eat acid - it's a nasty chemical, blah blah." That's ignorance. Mushrooms are a poison - that's why you're feeling fucked up and why it can feel more like a "body buzz". Mushrooms can also be full of mold. I'm allergic to penicillan which is derived from mold, hence why sometimes mushrooms didn't treat me too kindly. Acid actually just releases a fluid you already possess in your brain - serotonin. What's more natural than that? I'm not saying stay away from shrooms, but just understand the facts.

    Oh yeah, and to back up BigDaddy, if you want to win a drinking contest eat some acid first. You can drink like a fish.

    I've been to a handful of Dead shows and a ton of Phish shows in my time (got 11 coming up this summer - oh boy!) and have probably tripped at the majority of them. Crowds can be an issue for some folks when doing this stuff, but not for me - you have to find your comfort zone. I had a girlfriend in college that used to like to trip out. We would go to my folks cabin on a lake in NH and just trip all night by ourselves drinking a ton of booze and listening to tunes - great times indeed. I guess by the "clinically insane" state standards (which I think is like 5 or 6 hits in CT) I should be straight-jacketed and thrown in a rubber room for the rest of my life :D
     
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    Q: What did the Deadhead say when he ran out of drugs at a concert?

    A: "Hey, this music sucks"
     
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    Haha - I feel sorry for that dood. If you can't enjoy the Dead sober then that truly does suck.

    Speaking of the Dead, anyone going to any shows this month or next? I'm going to MSG April 25th. The Dead, Madison Square Garden, New York City and on a Saturday night? Can't wait.
     
  19. KamuiX

    KamuiX The Eighth Samurai

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    Legalize it all and tax the fuck out of it...economic crisis solved :p
     
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    Don't get confused with killing another human. Sure there are "Different penalties for hitting someone with your car than there are for bludgeoning someone to death and dismembering their body." but that's because there is different intent.

    A person busted for possession of drugs is much easier to determine. Basically two things. Intent for personal use or intent for selling. Maybe not as simple as that , but you get the idea. Each would have different sentencing. I was on jury duty for a guy that got busted with heroin within 500 yards of a school. In his possession was enough heroin that would last one person for a year. Well he got hammered for possession & intent to sell & within school perimeter. And he deserved it. Screw him.

    How I look at locking up people for 15 years , is that imo its more of a deterrent.

    The chain of crime that goes on when someone gets caught with drugs is never ending.

    Its not just the person being arrested. It's the person he bought it from, its the supplier that he got it from, its then the person that smuggled it into the country, then its the major supplier from another country. It goes on and on. It effects many people. The law is trying to stop the drugs at all cost. So locking up anybody with drugs is trying to stop the chain. It more of a scare tactic.

    Very simple. If people don't buy/use drugs, then there are no drugs to sell.
    Stop using the illegal substance and we won't have the problem. Not an easy fix for sure, but that's why imo they put the hammer down on the casual user.

    I completely understand why someone would want weed legal. I'm not ignorant. I get it. If you use it, why wouldn't you want it legal so you could relax and wouldn't worry about being busted. Same thing with alcohol, if they made it illegal tomorrow, millions of people would be losing there mind. For me I guess it wouldn't bother me (I'm rarely drink, but do enjoy it when I do) Just try making video games illegal. Oh boy! Possible could start a revolution.

    But if they outlawed horror movies, well that's another story. I'd be the first to volunteer as a smuggler. Although it would be kinda hard to conceal a dvd in an uncomfortable place. :D
     
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