"Maniac" Remake in Production: Elijah Wood signs on.

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  1. hellraiser40

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    this actually intrigues me... if they want to go 'all the way' => is the gloss that accompanies most big budget movies going to ruin the sleazy and grim atmosphere?
     
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    I don't see why it is even being called Maniac. The plot of Maniac is, overall, incredibly generic and it doesn't really stand out amongst other slasher flicks of its time. What did make it stand out, however, was Lustig's direction, Spinell's incredibly sleazy and creepy performance, and Tom Savini's effects. Without any of those things, they might as well just call it something else and give themselves full freedom to do whatever the fuck they want with the concept.
     
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    i'll give it the benefit of the doubt. i'll take remakes that at least try to do something different, over ones that just try to carbon copy the original. this casting makes me think they might be heading in that direction with this one...
     
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    My thoughts exactly. Wood is about the least intimidating person I can think of, and they choose him?!

    A midget serial killer....What a fucking joke.
     
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    A midget? Wood is far from a midget. He also managed to be pretty damn sneaky and cunning in Sin City. For all the talk about how killers shouldn't be hulking maniacs (no pun intended), I think it's pretty funny that people are taking such issue with his height.

    And as far as the original being a film that gets by on its bad charm, I don't see it that way. I've enjoyed sleazy films in the past, but those films always had something to keep me watching. I didn't have that with Maniac. The plot is also so simple that it could easily be improved upon. There's a framework there for a good story, and perhaps this film will make it work. There's no guarantee of that, of course, but I'm hopeful.
     
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    It’s not just Wood’s height….it’s his meek body frame. He looks fragile. There’s just no intimidation factor. And I don’t see the relevance of bringing up Wood’s performance as Kevin in Sin City seeing as its derivative of the source material (as it should be). There is no source material for the character of Frank Zito aside from Joe Spinell in the original. Wood is either going to blatantly rip it off or try something different…either way I don’t see it working. I just don’t see his “boy next door” demeanor working as a insane serial killer.

    The original doesn’t “get by on its bad charm”. The movie isn’t charming in any sense of the word. It’s the exact opposite. It isn’t “so bad its good”…it is just a visceral and nasty picture. The plot isn’t suppose to be complex or thought provoking. It’s not Taxi Driver. Like I said before Lustig’s only other directorial credits were that of porn films, why on Earth would anyone be expecting a plot? It is just suppose to disgust. Plain and simple. It’s clearly evident by the infamous headshot everyone is so caught up on. Maniac is a porn flick in a sense, but instead of using man gravy, Lustig used Savini’s mind blowing effects as the money shot. Maniac was the very beginning of what everyone likes to call the “torture porn” genre that is so prevalent today. As much as everyone likes to belittle Maniac for having a simple and unoriginal plot, it still was a innovator in every sense of the word.
     
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    So because he doesn't have a book to base his performance on, he can't make it work? I don't buy that. In fact, I think that may make him even better in the role, since there are a few directions he could go with the character.

    And not all serial killers are like Frank Zito. Many have been charming, unassuming types, and I'm willing to bet the people behind this film are aware of that (hence this casting decision). Frank Zito is the cliche, so I think it would be pretty refreshing to see someone like Wood playing a killer for once.

    I wasn't referring to literal charm. I was referring to the fact that the film being aware of its sleaziness doesn't make it any better.

    Nobody was saying that it needed to be. I just don't think the fact that the film has such low standards makes it good.

    If its sole purpose is to disgust, then why the outrage over remaking it? Any filmmaker can disgust an audience. I can understand being outraged over a remake of a film that had a point to it, but remaking a film that exists to merely disgust an audience? I don't see anything wrong with that, especially if you're going to try and elevate it beyond its own limited standards.
     
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    Yeah the original could easily be altered, add some inserts and way we go into Porno Land.

    A close example of that porn sleaze it had would be Forced Entry with Harry Reems.

    In many ways both covered the same territory. Actually, now i think about it, they are really really similar including wierd psycho finales.....and Lustig did indeed make/ was involved with porn back then too i assume in NYC.


    mmmmmmmmmmm
     
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    Forced Entry was one messed up film.
    Completely financed by the NYC mob if I recall correctly.
    I was a fan of the original Maniac if only because it deviated from the standard formula by offering the killer's perspective.
    I predict this remake will suck harder than a Kardashian in a room full of African Americans.
     
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    Forget not "looking like a killer," Wood doesn't even look Italian. I'm predicting the character won't even be named "Frank Zito." They're going a completely different route with this, and I'm fine with that. A remake shouldn't be an imitation; remember Psycho?
     
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    I'm wondering why this title. Out of the hundreds of existing remakes and thousands yet to happen, was this ever on anyone's radar? I'd rather see Nekromantik remade than this, and Wood just doesn't fit no matter how creepy Kevin was in Sin City. In the sad history of bad ideas, this has a great seat near the top from what I can imagine will come of it.

    Maybe/hopefully it's really just the name only they are taking. A reamke won't work, a new story with a similar feel and title could. I'll wait to say if I want to see it until after we find out what gets made.
     
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    Yeah, the Nightmare remake is the one that did it for me. When they remade Freddy, that pretty much made me give up and say "Remakes are here to stay, no matter how much we whine." So, while I don't exactly embrace them, I've come to terms with them. I still think they are an incredible waste of money and shows how dire Hollywood is in need of fresh ideas and creativity. But at the end of the day, if a studio thinks they can make more money on a remake of a forgotten 70s mini-classic than they will an original film like The Rite or My Soul To Take, they will remake whatever they can.

    And yes, remakes do introduce new audiences to the original films through new DVD releases. Imagine how many people were duped into buying the original My Bloody Valentine when the new one came out, just because the special edition DVD was already on Walmart shelves. To me, that's a big win for the original film. Hell... there's no way we would've even got to SEE the uncut director's cut of My Bloody Valentine, had it not been for the remake. Paramount wasn't going to do squat for it. It sure wouldn't have gotten that kind of mainstream distribution in this day and age, had it not been for the remake. Same for Black Christmas. That movie, like MBV, was known only to die-hard horror fans, before the remake.

    And just this past October, I saw the ORIGINAL Hills Have Eyes for sale at Walmart. If not for the remake, I highly doubt that would've been part of the October promotion.

    Along the same lines... I didn't even get all that upset when they Twiligh-ified the new DVD cover for Near Dark. Because if some poor brooding emo sap is gonna sob and cut himself to a vampire flick, Near Dark is a much better choice. I hope a lot of people bought it and were fooled into thinking it was some kind of Twilight-esque flick. Quite brilliant, if you ask me.
     
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    I have already decided that remakes are a waste of my time* and not even worthy of a Netflix rental.

    *rare cases do happen, like The Thing remake, where I will go and see the film just out of sheer curiosity. (It, too, sucked, as expected).
     
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    Bingo! Thank you, goodnight!
     
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    Dude...how on Earth did you get that out of what I wrote? The statement I made was in regards to you implying that because Wood played Kevin in Sin City, he has the credence to play a character as sick and vile as Frank Zito. The two are completely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

    Haha...Frank Zito is the cliche. Wow. Exactly right...seeing as most slasher movies being made at that time were of overweight Italians living in a slum in the middle of New York City...afraid not. Maniac broke the mold of the masked slasher stalking teenagers in the woods or suburbia and instead brought the ugliness and seediness of the big city streets.

    Read my second post. I have no issues with Maniac being remade. However, I do have an issue with the casting decision. I also have an issue with people downgrading the original. I understand its your opinion, but for Christ's sake give credit where credit is do. Its a great flick, with great performances and is a top tier slasher flick in my book.
     
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    Anybody else think they should give it to Rob Zombie? Then it will be gritty & dirty but then Frank will be a redneck & not from NYC so on second thought....
     
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    How so? I mean, we're all basing our opinions on how he might do on what he's done before. I just happen to be basing it on stuff that's more relevant to what he's going to be playing.


    I wasn't referring just to films. I'm talking about the general cliche of killers being big, nasty, burly guys. He may have not been a Freddy or a Jason, but Frank Zito was still a cliche in terms of how we perceive what a real serial killer is like.

    I did give credit where I felt it was due (Savini's effects work). That's about all the credit I'm willing to give the film though.
     
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    Well after all this talk about the remake here is some news.

    I just heard an radio interview with Elijah Wood and he talked about the film.

    He said that he is usually against remakes, but the concept is totally different & figured it was quite a interesting role to take. He said the entire movie is shot in POV, and that his character is only revealed in reflections.

    Discuss
     
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