Manos.... in HD?

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  1. MorallySound

    MorallySound Mad Mutilator

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    Now here's something really cool to have stumbled upon - the 16mm workprint of Manos!

    http://www.manosinhd.com

    I hope he gets the funds to complete this, as I'd gladly place an order for a limited edition Blu-ray of Manos: The Hands of Fate!
     
  2. X-human

    X-human I ate my keys

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    How much would it cost to get Don May Jr. on this baby?
     
  3. rxfiend

    rxfiend Joe Six-Pack

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    That is awesome!!! I will definitely purchase a blu-ray of that. Those screen shots from the workprint look amazing (compared to the generated copies of past releases).
     
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    Nailwraps Well-Known Member

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    The restoration looks amazing! If this is released, it'll blow all the PD releases away!
     
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    I suspect that this is what the Mayan calendar may have been predicting.
     
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    SaviniFan I Have A Fetish

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    There is no way in hell I'd watch this film outside of MST3K.
     
  8. X-human

    X-human I ate my keys

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    There's just... something about this shot. Wow.
     
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    Even in HD, it still looks like that sign says "Valley Loogie"
     
  10. Jeremy

    Jeremy Closet SCREAM fan

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    This is fantastic news. I absolutely adore MANOS. I was introduced to it through MST3K, but I've really only seen that version twice. On the other hand, I've seen the full, non-MST3K version of the movie at least 50+ times in my life. Something about it just keeps me enthralled, it's got such a beautifully weird and absurd energy to it.

    Those screencaps show an amazing improvement. All the previous DVD and VHS releases of this seem to have been struck from the same ruddy video master. I never even imagined that something like this workprint could have even survived.
     
  11. vidjunkie

    vidjunkie Team Blu

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    I have never heard of this movie, I will have to IMDB it and see what it is.
     
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    SaviniFan I Have A Fetish

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    You are scaring me Jeremy......
     
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    Gore Lunatic Violenza Carnale

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    Manos in HD? Count me in!
     
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    Jeremy, 50+ times! You must feel no pain.
     
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    The movie is complete shit, but I would watch it in HD at least once.

    Love the MST3K version, by the way.
     
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    :lol:

    It's an awful film but it's strangely hypnotic.I'm glad someone is taking care to preserve it, if for no other reason than to baffle future civilizations.
     
  17. Jeremy

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    I think I must have been eleven or twelve when I saw the MST3K version for the first time. When I was thirteen I got it non-Mstied on VHS and proceeded to torment my friends and family with it. Especially my father! He will be so thrilled when I tell him about this new restoration :p
     
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    An update for everyone; I saw the premiere of the full restored version of MANOS, THE HANDS OF FATE on December 4th at the Hollywood Reel Independent Film Festival. Turnout was kind of sparse, but that's par for the course when you're screening a film at 9:30 PM on a Tuesday. Restorer Ben Solovey was in attendance, as was Jackie Neyman Smith (who played Debbie and is the daughter of Tom Neyman) and the son of the actor who played the lead sheriff's deputy (I didn't catch his name I'm afraid). The restored version was projected off of a Blu-Ray at 1080p resolution in it's original 1.33:1 aspect ratio.

    First and foremost, for anyone who is used to watching the home video versions of MANOS, all of which seem to have been taken from the same crummy video master that makes the film look like it's being projected through a burlap sack, the new transfer restores a shocking level of color to most of the movie. This was shot on Kodak Ektachrome film stock, which produces some startling and bold colors when exposed properly, "when" being the keyword there. A lot of MANOS wasn't exposed properly and still looks murky and overly dark. When possible, the new transfer also restores an impressive level of detail to many parts, although so much of the production was shot out of focus that the benefits of 1080p resolution aren't always apparent. Basically when it looks nice it's really nice, but there aren't a whole lot of opportunities for it to look great. The new transfer reveals more picture information on all four sides of the frame, which is nice but not really essential. I have seen restorations of certain films where they have gone back to original elements that revealed picture information that was previously missing, picture information that has restored a sense of balance to formerly skewed compositions. But MANOS is not one of those films. The compositions looked skewed in the previous home video versions, and they still look skewed with the missing picture information restored.

    Solovey has spruced up the film to a great extent, although, if you're planning on picking up the Blu-Ray or DVD versions of this that are coming out, don't expect it to look pristine, unless he decides to more clean-up work in the interim. A huge number of specks, scratches and other debris have been cleaned off the film surface and it looks great for the most part. The main remaining defect in the restoration is the large number of vertical lines that plague certain shots and scenes, particularly in the early parts of the movie. It doesn't look like he's touched the grain structure at all and the transfer definitely has the texture of 16mm. The audio has also been cleaned up and sounds appreciably better compared to the old home video versions.

    Jackie Neyman Smith told a number of humorous anecdotes about the production and her memories of it, which I won't repeat here since the Q&A session was recorded and will presumably show up on the upcoming disc release. But it was an illuminating experience and I enjoyed it very much. Her father Tom (The Master) is now long retired and living in Oregon. She recounted how the film disappeared for many, many years, and nobody who was involved in it could find a copy. Then one day in 1993 her father fell asleep in his living room with the TV on, and woke up to the strains of this very familiar music that he hadn't heard in years - which was of course the soundtrack to the film, now being played on MST3K. The son of the sheriff's deputy actor also recounted how he had looked for the movie for years and years before also happening to turn on the TV and see the MST3K episode and see his father get out of a cop car! Anyways, apparently Tom Neyman is rather indifferent to the movie at this point in his life. He's not embarrassed by it but also doesn't understand why it appeals to so many people. At the urging of his daughter he has, however, agreed to do an on-camera interview and to sit down with her and Solovey for a commentary track. The Blu-Ray and DVD releases, which have been pushed back several times now, are now tentatively scheduled to be out sometime early next year.

    Although I have watched MANOS dozens and dozens of times in my life, this was actually the first time that I had seen it all the way through since about 2002. I still love it, and although I have always known it was a bad movie, I think my production and editing background as an adult has given me a greater appreciation of what went wrong and why. I was particularly shocked to realize just how badly the editing on this thing actually is. I mean good lord, talk about not knowing when to begin or end a shot!
     
  19. bruce h

    bruce h Editor - CINEMA ARCANA

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    Thanks for the report, Jeremy! I would have loved to have been there.

    Any updates on its blu ray release?
     
  20. Jeremy

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    Not too many updates on the upcoming disc, although I did have to duck out of the Q&A a few minutes early and might have missed something. I wanted to ask him whether he planned to release it on pressed discs or as a BD-R and whether he was going to do any more clean-up work on the transfer, but unfortunately this was the time of night when the LA Metro only runs most of its buses once an hour and I had only a few minutes to catch the one that I needed. But it's tentatively scheduled to be out in a few months, and Solovey admitted that the whole endeavor had turned into a much bigger process than he had anticipated, hence the delays (when he first did the Kickstarter campaign he had anticipated that the restoration would be done by summer and the discs would be ready around August). But he raised a lot more money than expected and it was allowing him to create a number of supplements, the commentary with the Neymans being just one of the extras in the works.
     

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