Martyrs

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  1. BrokeNads

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    I want to have this but can find unrated in no place.
     
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    best buy stores should have if not ask them if you have a best buy store
     
  3. msw7

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    amazon.com also has it
     
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    Thank you for infromation. Every place I go is only rated versions. Maybe is only rated version in Canada? Amazon.ca is only sell rated version. I wonder if is difrent distrubitor in Canada and US. I will try Best Buy because I dont go to see in this place yet and I dont think Amazon com ship to Canada. I will see. Is any one here from Canada buy this in unrated from normal store or haved to order? I read in a place and is say maybe Canadian dvd is unrated but is not say Unrated in the cover. Please if any here can confirms this. Thank you.
     
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    I am betting the Canadian version is unrated they just don't say it on the cover. I don't know for sure though, so i would definitely wait and find out before purchasing it.

    As for Amazon.com, they definitely do ship to Canada. I used to order from them all the time before they increased their shipping and added duty charges. So yes, you can order from them, but it's a little pricey. I'd order from Deep Discount, or better yet, DVD Pacific. They ship to Canada, and their shipping charges are a little better priced.
     
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    I'm quite sure that the 'Canadian version' by Seville is the same version as the 'US version' that's listed as Unrated. The Seville release is not listed as Unrated, because it's been rated 'R' by the Canadian Rating organization. Just because it's not listed as Unrated doesn't mean that it's cut.

    I picked up my copy at Walmart.

    Jaffe
     
  7. msw7

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    I finally saw this tonight - holy shit! I am definitely in the camp of having loved it. It was sublimely, lyrically disturbing, and pulled no punches.

    I have to wonder - and maybe a second viewing will clarify this - but I wonder what Anna told the old bitch to make her kill herself? Part of me hopes it was her way of striking back at her captors. Part of me wonders if life and death had simply stopped mattering to her, and she was being honest about what she saw.

    The French have really been outdoing themselves lately - (oddly French-ish co-incidence, I just had to pause typing this to toss out a snail that had snuck into my apartment) - I wonder what in their cultural psyche is behind this new wave of cinematic brutality?
     
  8. Shannafey

    Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me!

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    That was a great scene and it was a great ending in that anything they would have told you she said would have been a disappointment, so I liked how they did that. I thought about what you said in that it could have been a way of striking back at her captors. If you think about the religious thoughts of death and heaven and hell, Anna should go to heaven, because she is generally a good person. Her captors should obviously go to hell. That would have made an interesting alternate ending... Seeing the old bitch burning in hell, screaming, "This isn't how it's supposed to be!!".
     
  9. geeare

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    I don't think you will figure out what she said. I think not knowing what she said it what they are trying to get across. IMO whatever it is she said, the old girl could not wait for death and that's why she off'ed herself
     
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    Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me!

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    Oh, definitely! That's exactly what they were trying to make you think.
     
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    Yes, absolutely!

    I think the movie would have been weakened considerably by the audience hearing anything specific she could have said. I was wondering most about Anna's attitude at the end - was she trying to be defiant or was she past caring? (Though I suppose refusing to answer would have been defiant)

    It just seems odd to me that the old lady rushed into killing herself, without even telling anyone else what she had heard first. I think that fed my suspicion that Anna told her something in particular that led to such an extreme impatience to die... (though I suppose that she had been waiting for so long and trying so hard, that even confirmation of some existence after death might have pushed her into suicide - but so immediately?)
     
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    That would have been great! (but maybe too happy an ending for a horror movie)
     
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    I agree with you about the existential themes - maybe that is what pushes me into the 'loved it' camp.

    For me, what differentiates this from Hostel (and Saw) is exactly that motivation behind everything.
    In Saw, the torture plays out like a morality story - "be good or get what you deserve". In Hostel, it seems to be just sport for rich people, which to me feels very gratuitous, and less horrifying because the torturers are maybe less committed. In Martyrs the motive seems to tap into something more fanatical, without the potentially redeeming quality of a morality tale. The motive is purely selfish.
     
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    Just saw this last night and loved it.

    One of the most Brutal Horror films i've seen in a while.
     
  15. thrashard76

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    I may have to check this out. Sounds intriguing.
     
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    Wow. Just wow. It takes quite a lot for a movie to get under my skin, and this one did. I don't know if it's a movie I could ever sit through again, it's not really a feeling and emotion I want to re-experience.

    some of the more spoiler-oriented discussion:
    I can't believe some of you think the torture went on too long. If anything, it was not long enough. Not that I wanted to see more of it, it was harrowing enough. But I have to wonder why Anna broke so quickly, when Lucie and the other victim did not. (Although part of that may be due to the hallucinations...The other victim saw roaches, Lucie kept seeing another tortured child, and Anna saw Lucie.)
    I wasn't as concerned with the ending of the film, and what Anna said. Like others mentioned, nothing could have done it justice, and it's best left to the imagination. As far as the motivations of the torturers, in a way I compare it to the famous Schroedinger's Cat theory of physics, the desire to create a state of both death and life simultaneously. These people just took it a step further.
    The most fascinating aspect was the contrast of Anna vs. Lucie and the other victim. Both Lucie and the other victim fought all the way to the end, and Anna kept trying to rescue both of them. The attitude portrayed of Anna the savior was that she was the strong one. But in reality, she was far weaker than either victim, in that she gave up on life far easier. Even though they committed suicide, they both believed they were murdered. Anna conversely was killed (eventually, I guess...I forgot already...did she die at the end or just pass out?), yet she really gave up on life and allowed herself to die.

    All in all, a really nasty movie, not easily forgotten.
     
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    Just done watching and, it wasn't exactly what I expected.
    I liked the concept of it all (the "thinking man's torture porn with a purpose") but I was still furious because of what Anna had to endure. That was hard for me to digest.
    Martyrs hasn't settled in yet but managed to get under my skin. Any movie pulling that off gets my respect and a big thumbs up.
     
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    Saw this for the second time tonight and loved it even more. It holds very well to repeat viewings. It's just deep and devastatingly brilliant film.
     
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    I've been wanting to check this one out for while now. Does anyone know of any obvious reason not to buy the UK Blu-Ray release from Optimum? I heard their DVD was uncut so I assume the Blu-Ray would be too but I don't really know for sure on either... I know you can't really rely on Amazon.com or imdb.com run times but when I don't have a shop that specializes in this sort of thing telling me if it's uncut or not that's all I really have and I get nervous about wasting my money when I go to order.
     
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    Yeah, I know it's locked, but I don't have to worry about silly things like that anymore. :] I know the French Blu-Ray doesn't have subs but the English one does so I'm hoping that's the only real difference.
     

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