My big upgrade decision

Discussion in 'High Definition' started by Nemesis, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. Dave

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    You say there's no difference, but you then list the major differences between the two and call call capacity difference a red herring. Huh? Want to explain that.

    Blu-Ray's additional capacity is huge. Capacity=quality. Quality = #1. High bitrate or the ability to have extras and retain the higher bitrate is huge.

    But there's only one choice for any film buff wanting to buy high def right now: get both. Or screw em, like I did, and get a satellite with HD channels (Monsters HD is owns both formats in terms of selection for high def horror).

    If were to buy in right now, I would get the PS3 and the Xbox 360 add-on drive. I don't plan to do either, but the Amazon deals are awfully tempting. So far I've resisted and since implementing my 'only going to buy it if I watch it more than once a year' policy, I've only bought about one DVD in the past year. I'm just in no rush since most of the movies I want I already have on standard DVD, aren't available on high def, and even if they were, my setup just isn't high end enough to display the improvement.
     
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    I have a question about HD players, what if you hooked up a player to a standard tv that has at least component inputs, how would it look?
     
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    --You say there's no difference, but you then list the major differences between the two and call call capacity difference a red herring. Huh? Want to explain that.--

    I wrote there's no quality difference. Since I've not seen any. ;)

    --Blu-Ray's additional capacity is huge. Capacity=quality. Quality = #1.--

    Disagree. I've seen no evidence that the extra capacity is giving a better image nor better sound. Hence, I said it's a red herring. In fact, since they used an inferior compression algorithmn on early Blu-Ray discs, some of them look WORSE than HD.

    Extras thus far on HD (either format) have been underwhelming. And with current blu-Ray drives not even being up to Blu-Ray spec 1.1, HD-DVD can do things like Picture in Picture that Blu-Ray simply can't. It's promised for future drives, but there are doubts whether older discs will even play in the newly speced drives. Only the PS3 thus far looks like it can be updated via firmware to cater for it.

    So technically, HD-DVD is better. Quality wise, they're the same. Capacity Blu-Ray wins. Personally I think you have to look at these things rather than check off feature sets. At the moment, these are even.
     
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    It would look like standard DVD.

    Unless you have a HDTV, there's not much point in getting either BR or HD-DVD.
     
  5. rxfiend

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    how about mpeg/pixelization? I would think it'd look better in that way. The TV I have is a 36" flat screen tube and does a damn good job at Standard dvds, but it also shows the flaws on some discs due to poor authoring.
     
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    It might well look better on standard DVD, since I believe the majority of hi-def players include an upscaler.
     
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    A standard def television will limit you to 480 lines of resolution, the same as a regular DVD. Whereas HD is either 720 or 1080 lines. An upscaler shouldn't make much difference if all you have is a standard DVD; in fact it might degrade the image since it's being upscaled and then down-scaled again for the SDTV.

    Not sure about artifacting for poor authoring. While the HD discs should have better transfers than SD-DVD, you also run the risk of introducing new problems by dropping the 1080 image down to 480. Downscaling a 16:9 DVD for a 4:3 television can introduce moire patterns and jagged diagonals. I would assume that dropping 1080 down to 480 could do the same thing.
     
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    HD-DVD will be gathering more support in the new year, Warner will decide which way to go after the holiday sales reports come in.
     
  10. Nemesis

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    hrm, maybe i should wait till xmas then... there will be more titles and they may be more affordable.. plus it seems that a lot of the current releases are questionable video quality so maybe the studios will get their shit together in the next few months (or better than now at least)
     
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    Nemesis is looking for recommendations for Blu-ray movies, so far few have provided and the rest is a retread of the HD disc thread. Let's stay on topic shall we?

    Over on AVS Forum they have what they call the "Tier Thread" which lists Blu-ray discs by quality of presentation. You can check out the list and see what movies you might be interested in and how they compare to each other. All on one listing: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316

    I'll have to check out The Lookout. The Fountain looks amazing, they used a lot of in camera effects so it has a very cinematic feel to it. It really made me feel like I was watching film and not a digital medium. The Prestige is also excellent both in presentation and the movie itself; Scarlett Johansson, how can you go wrong?
     
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    Get Casablanca. It's a WOW.
     
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    thanks for the info.
     
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    --Blu-Ray's additional capacity is huge. Capacity=quality. Quality = #1.--

    Disagree. I've seen no evidence that the extra capacity is giving a better image nor better sound. Hence, I said it's a red herring. In fact, since they used an inferior compression algorithmn on early Blu-Ray discs, some of them look WORSE than HD.

    Extras thus far on HD (either format) have been underwhelming. And with current blu-Ray drives not even being up to Blu-Ray spec 1.1, HD-DVD can do things like Picture in Picture that Blu-Ray simply can't. It's promised for future drives, but there are doubts whether older discs will even play in the newly speced drives. Only the PS3 thus far looks like it can be updated via firmware to cater for it.

    So technically, HD-DVD is better. Quality wise, they're the same. Capacity Blu-Ray wins. Personally I think you have to look at these things rather than check off feature sets. At the moment, these are even.[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree the xtra capacity on blu ray isnt even being utilized right now and makes no difference in picture or audio quality- and as I said before HD-DVD now has approved a 51 gb disc so it is capable of now having larger capacity than blu-ray- but the hd-dvd camp is sensible- why charge consumers more for players and/or movies when the xtra space is of no use right now- they have it and will use it if and when it is neccessary or wanted by the consumer
     
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    the best thing to do is wait- the competition is making each camp lower prices fairly quickly and you can only benefit by waiting a while- there was a rumor that warner was going to hd-dvd but it was quickly squashed by warner- but sometimes rumors have a way of having some truth behind them- in any case prices will be cheaper and many more movies will be released while movies that have been out for a while will come down in price - i mainly jumped on board cuz the hd-dvd add on for my 360 was so cheap and with the free movies was about the same as a standard dvd player
     
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    I own both a BR and HD player, along with over 200 movies (about 60/40 HD-DVD). Here's my opinion.

    Pick up an HD-DVD player this year. You should be able to get one for under $250. It'll come with 5 free movies through a mail-in offer. Plus you might find a promo where the store will throw in a few movies (Amazon recently offered 3 free HD-DVDs with each HD-DVD Player). This will at least get you started. And the Toshiba HD-DVD players are excellent at upscaling standard DVDs.

    Then next Christmas, get a Blu-Ray player. By then the prices on PS3 and stand-alone players will drop. I wouldn't be surprised to see a BR player around $300 at that time.

    As someone that's bought a lot of HD movies, here's my overall impressions.

    BR tends to put out movies that are more recent. Looking through my BR collection, I don't see many films that came out before 2000. HD-DVD seems to have more catalog titles. My HD-DVD collection has a few old classics and many from the 70's, 80's and 90's.

    BR discs are slightly more expensive due to a higher MSRP. I buy most discs at Amazon, because they usually have the lowest prices. So a few days ago I did a search at dvdpricesearch and here's what I found:

    BLURAY Under $20 = 202 titles
    HD-DVD Under $20 = 243 titles

    BLURAY Over $20 = 196 titles
    HD-DVD Over $20 = 120 titles

    The basic breakdown at Amazon is 51% of all Blu-Rays are under $20 and 67% of all HD-DVDs are under $20. The numbers get much closer if you bump it up to $25. 74% of all Blu-Rays are under $25 and 78% of all HD-DVDs are under $25.

    Interestingly, I tend to find better used prices on Blu-Rays. But maybe that's just my buying habits.

    In regards to Must Own discs, everyone likes different movies, but here's some of my favorites:

    HD-DVD
    King Kong
    Serenity
    The Thing
    The Frighteners
    Dawn Of The Dead
    Casablanca
    The Warriors
    300
    The Fountain
    Big Lebowski

    BLURAY
    Pirates Of The Carribean 2 (there's a video problem with #1)
    The Prestige
    The Descent
    House of 1000 Corpses
    Devil's Rejects
    Fifth Element
    Casino Royale
    Starship Troopers (UK Import)
    Kingdom Of Heaven: Director's Cut
    Halloween
     
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    This shows one disadvantage of being region free- some studios dont like it- one reason Disney didnt side with HD DVD - kinda crappy on the part of the studios that think this is a big deal if you ask me:

    Video Business is reporting that New Line Cinema will be releasing the title Hairspray day and date on DVD and Blu-ray discs only on November 20.

    The HD DVD version of the title will be held back until the first half of 2008 due to the format’s lack of regional coding, effectively making Hairspray a Blu-ray exclusive for the Holiday Season.

    To add to this the Blu-ray version will have a “Behind the Beat” picture-in-picture-type option allowing viewers to watch behind-the-scenes footage and commentary concurrent with the running feature, making it one of the first picture in picture titles.

    The HD DVD will reportedly include Internet and Web Enhanced features.
     
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    How is the extra space on BR not being utilized when 50gb discs are in fact being released? Are you telling me that these discs have the same bitrate as HD-DVD? I'm sure they are in fact higher quality, have more extras, or have more soundtracks. How is that not superior again?
     
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    Blu rays larger capacity does not give it better graphics than hd-dvd - also as said several times hd-dvd now has 51gb if they want to use it but there is no need to right now because it gives it no better quality or advantage over blu ray- most of the movies coming out right now blu ray nor hd dvd are even giving you as many xtra features as the standard disc is putting out so hopefully that changes over time
     
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    if you can in fact find some information stating this in some way please share and cite your source as everything ive ever read does not show the extra capacity gives blu ray any better picture quality nor have i heard of more features due to xtra space then hd dvd
     
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