Official 'Hostel' Reaction Thread....

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  1. dwatts

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    Just got through watching this for the first time. My wife and I thought it was excellent. I'm surprised none of you have met guys like that, there are a lot of them about. Besides, the entire point was that they were annoying, Roth was playing with you.

    I think it delivered in just about every department. Some in this thread complain that the car scene with some main characters at the end was silly - I couldn't disagree more. It was funny, and I think that was the intention. Roth wanted you to groan, and then laugh, and then when the second car came, deliver the killer blow. I thought that piece was excellent.

    Great great film. Cabin Fever was good, this was very good. Roth is one to watch that's for sure.
     
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    100% agreement. Finally someone who likes Hostel... I thought I was crazy!
     
  3. indiephantom

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    Finally, a statement regarding this film that I can fully agree with.
     
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    Thank you. After all the bashing and hating this is good reading and warms my heart :) I felt like I was stuck in a bad Twilight Zone episode for months with all the ridiculous hate.
     
  5. onebyone

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    Who are you guys kidding with this? There is plenty of love for Hostel in this forum. There is plenty of Hostel love at almost any horror forum. Of course, some horror fans do in fact hate it a lot. That makes it just exactly like any other popular horror movie in recent history.
     
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  6. indiephantom

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    Yeah, but there's been huge HATE for Roth and "Hostel" recently. I think the haters have generally posted more often.
     
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    That's what I meant.
     
  8. dwatts

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    I think they're referring to people like yourself, 1X1, who have been highly critical of the film. I did read most of the posts on this film (this thread alone is five pages long, so I skipped a few), and those that hated it seemed far more aggressive in their stance. For someone like yourself, it actually led you from liking Eli Roth to hating him! That's quite a negative reaction.

    Personally I don't understand any horror fan hating the film. It had everything a good horror film needs. Which is not to suggest it's perfect, but for me it's sure very very good. I don't think I can get my head around indifference, let alone hate. :D

    The teens in Roth's films aren't even your usual stereotypical teen actors used in Hollywood films these days. They're far more grounded in reality, imo. They're not particularly likeable, but that's how it goes. I can think of a few horror films where I've cheered the bad guys killing the supposed good guys :D

    In the remake remake remake period we've been going through, this was quite a bit of fun. There are many horror films where the purely horror elements don't kick in for as much as an hour into the flick, so Hostel just followed convention for pacing, I was simply never bored.

    Still, we can't all like the same things. It's mind-boggling to find someone who loved Cabin Fever but hated Hostel so much they've admitted to now hating the Director (after only two films). But hey, that's the fun of a board such as this, things that make you think.....

    In the mean time I wanted to post how good I thought Hostel was, and highly recommend it to the 1% of horror fans who haven't bothered yet.
     
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  9. _pi_

    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    Yes, like homophobia and misogyny and bad writing.
     
  10. Mok

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    What do you mean about bad writing? Name a movie in this genre that has better writing.

    One part I thought was a slice of genius:

    - So where are you from?
    - Prague
    - Cool, Kafka...
    (no reaction)

    This is me around hot girls to a T - attempting to form an intellectual bond to balance or maybe even distract the physical attraction. This awkward moment was worked in so genuinely that you could almost miss it if you blinked. There are a lot of these moments in this film.
     
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  11. _pi_

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    Hmmm, do you mean the horror genre in general? The Exorcist is an easy example of a better written horror film. Or are you talking about torture-horror? Or the so-called horror-porn films?

    My favorite piece of bad writing in this film is the scene where the hero, for no real reason, gives us his "backstory" in the form of a traumatic beach experience where a little girl drowned. And he could still hear her screaming for help. Boo-hoo.

    And if that isn't bad enough, the reason for this emotional story becomes all-too clear later on when - gasp! - he hears someone screaming from within one of the torture chambers! He can't possible escape now, not when he knows that someone's still in there and alive. Oh no, because that would be unbearable for him. So he gets all heroic and saves this unfortunate soul, who is so horribly disfigured that she can't bare to live anymore and throws herself in front of a train.

    Ah, it's so real and yet so logical all at the same time.

    All of this I thought was very bad, very amateurish writing. It doesn't feel to me like the script had several drafts.

    As for an example of a better written torture-horror-porn film, I can't think of one at the moment, although I'm sure someone will be kind enough to throw in a title. But that's not really the point. Not being able to find a better film does not automatically make Hostel good.
     
  12. indiephantom

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    Face it Pi, this is not a film most women are going to like. Sure it's politically incorrect...but that is a large part of the appeal. At least to me.
     
  13. DrHerbertWest

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    :rolleyes:

    I'm not going to fight any one on the topic of this movie but all I can say is.... Don't read so far into things. It seems some people take this movie VERY seriously. Maybe I'm not in the position to say that but it's how it feels.
     
  14. ReNeGaDe

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    Wolf Creek is better
     
  15. satans-sadists

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    OUCH!!!
     
  16. dwatts

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    I don't know Pi.

    Let's take the homophobia. This film was not homophobic, imo. There is a scene when a young man reacts negatively to a stranger, a much older stranger, when they essentially make a pass by grabbing a leg. Don't you honestly think most hetro men would react the same way? I do. I don't think you can plaster the film as homophobic due to that scene, especially as he apologizes for it later in the film. Let's not confuse homophobia with being straight. I'm straight, I'm not homophobic, and I wouldn't react kindly to a man grabbing my leg and making a pass either. The term "homophobic" is so often used in an inflamatory way. In it's most pure definition, it's simply someone who has a fear of homosexuals. I don't think this guy had a fear, he was just taken aback at being approached. Most men would be, imo. That scene certainly wouldn't call, for me, for the film to be labelled "homophobic".

    Misogyny? This is so often thrown at the horror genre I think we get tired talking about it. In this film the women are actually in control the whole time. Yes they show their breasts - which is totally a convention of the genre, like it or not. However, I don't see how a bunch of men torturing predominately other men, allows for this film to be labelled misogynist. Doesn't work in relation to this film for me.

    Bad writing? Well, of all the hyperbolic statements attached to this movie, I've yet to read one that claims "Best writing since ever!" :D There's probably a good reason for that. There were definately some cheesy moments, but as a whole it totally worked for my wife and I.
     
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    Very well spoken! By the way, my wife enjoys Hostel as much as I do...perhaps even more than me.
     
  18. Mok

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    I would group this with other slasher films that have survival at the heart of their "horror". Like a Friday the 13th where a bunch of naughty teens get chased around and hacked to pieces. That sort of thing only Hostle's characters were writen better than the trite characters and dialogue in most of those Jason movies. There's nothing supernatral going on in this one so your Excorsit comparison was a bit strange to me.
     
  19. _pi_

    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    Ok, I'm not going to bother with the spoiler tags on this one so BIG SPOILERS BELOW! Consider yourself warned!!!




    The reason why I call this film homophobic is not based on that scene alone. That scene combined with the fact that said homosexual character is one of the killers, and gets killed in a particularly viscious way, is more like it.

    Now, that alone doesn't make the film overtly homophobic. But the fact that this character, apart from one person near the end, is the only torturer with a speaking part - the only torturer who is a "real character", in fact - makes it very homophobic to me.

    The other notable villains in this film are the sexy women. Now, they serve the purpose of A) being sexy and B) being dangerous = sexy women are dangerous. Having women show their breasts isn't particularly misogynist to me, but having all the women be either one-dimensional villains (or victims) is. I mean, women are even a big part of the protagonist's traumatic beach experience! The victimized woman in this film, the one with her eye hanging out, commits suicide because she's now "ugly". What does that tell us? That a once-beautiful woman has no reason to live when she becomes "ugly"?

    This film is homophobic and misogynist in a psychological way, much more than it is in the on-screen actions.

    However, I really don't agree with you, dwatts, on the leg-touching scene, either. First of all, this is SUCH a straight-guy assumption, that a gay man would just automatically hit on a straight man just because he was "hot" or "good looking" or whatever. It just doesn't happen that way! I don't know anyone who would hit on anybody unless they were positive the other person was gay too! Hence gay bars and clubs, so those "problems" won't arise.

    And come now, would you be offended if it were a woman touching your leg? Maybe you would. But you'd be more offended if it were a guy, right? Or at least that's what I read into your reply. You shouldn't be offended at all. If a gay guy touches your leg, you should take it as a compliment. We usually have very good taste! ;)

    ps. no I don't think I'm reading too much into this film at all. All of what I've said above is on screen and obvious. If I were to over-analyze it, I'd have to watch it again. And, frankly, it's just not worth it.
     
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  20. _pi_

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    Yeah I know The Exorcist was a lousy comparison. I just didn't know if your were talking about the horror genre as a whole (which would include The Exorcist and numerous other well-written films) or, as you say, survivalist-slasher films (which would include significantly less well-written films).

    But again I must say that even if Hostel were the best written slasher film ever, that doesn't mean it's well-written. Just better than the others.

    Much like saying I Still Know What You Did Last Summer is better written than I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer. It doesn't really make the former any better, now does it?
     

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