SLEEPAWAY CAMP, EVILSPEAK, FINAL EXAM & More from Shout Factory in May 2014

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  1. wago70

    wago70 Surviving on nostalgia

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    FINAL EXAM - has anyone read the paperback by Geoffrey Meyer? If you think the movie takes a while to get to the good stuff...hooo boy! The book is like young adult fiction drama. It's pretty faithful to the film as I recall.
    When I saw the film at the picture show opening night and there's the sequence showing a group of students gunned down by terrorists played out, a friend leaned over and asked me, "...I thought you said this was like Friday the 13th!!!" ha.
     
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    Angelman OCD Blu Ray Collector

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    I had this book at some point.
     
  3. DVD-fanatic-9

    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    I have a problem with the whole final theory. Because then very few characters "are" a final girl, boy, etc. Marilyn Burns is a final girl because the entire group of people she entered the film with are dead. Jamie Lee Curtis is a final girl because the rest of the babysitters and the men they hooked up with during the actual film are dead. Adrienne King and Olivia Hussey are final girls because the only people of their age group alive by film's end were never targeted by the killer. Sigourney Weaver is a final girl, of course, because Alien was half-inspired by The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And Linda Blair in Hell Night. And Cheerleader Camp. And Sleepaway Camp 2. And The Funhouse. And Parents (final kid). And maybe half of Argento's films.

    That's just about it. There are just about no more final anybody's. Throw me a popular example, it's probably debunkable: Sidney from Scream (Dewey, Gale, and Randy were still alive). Kirsty from Hellraiser (Steve was still alive). Jamie Lee Curtis in Prom Night (Nick was still alive). Jamie in Halloween 4 (Rachel was still alive). Terry in Motel Hell (Bruce was still alive). All the Friday the 13th films beginning with 4. Child's Play. All the Nightmare's beginning with 2. The Shining, The Hills Have Eyes, My Bloody Valentine, The Initiation, Mountaintop Motel Massacre, Slumber Party Massacre, Just Before Dawn, Sleepaway Camp, The Boogey Man, I Madman, Killer Party, Alone in the Dark, Children of the Corn, Popcorn, Shocker, Leprechaun, Sleepy Hollow, I Know What You Did Last Summer, I Still Know, Office Killer, Shredder, Jack Frost, Psychos in Love, 976-Evil 2, Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers, Satan's Little Helper...

    Jill Scholeon in Phantom of the Opera might belong to the 2nd list since the entire past section in the middle of the movie was a "dream"/flashback. But I don't remember that ending very well. Could also use a quick refresher on how Tobe Hooper's Eaten Alive ended. Other "it was just a dream" endings include April Fools' Day, Dreamaniac, Amityville (1992): It's About Time, and After Midnight.

    And Mark Patton didn't look so average from where I'm sitting. :cool:


    Oh, I'm deadly serious. And, frankly, I'm not down with the "it's really the worst" as a franchise. True- none of the films were genuinely above 5/10. But I think it was a very consistent, cheesily entertaining, and highly watchable franchise...until the remake. You want something worse? Hellraiser (though I enjoy Hell on Earth, which is easily the best sequel). Wrong Turn. The Hills Have Eyes. SAW - a million times over again! Even the original was a pile of shit. Haven't seen Ginger Snaps 2 but the 3rd film was unwatchable. The Boogey Man and Pumpkinhead (should never have sprouted sequels). Pulse. Gingerdead Man. Wishmaster. Witchcraft. Hatchet. Feast. Killjoy. Anaconda. Tremors. Class of Nuke 'Em High 2 and 3. Creepshow 2 and 3. Hostel 2 and 3. The Howling (because I only personally endorse the first and third movies). Not to mention sequels/remakes to Piranha, Pet Sematary, The Fly, The Hitcher, Joy Ride, Jeepers Creepers, etc.
     
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  4. Do you see

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    I’m thinking maybe Hatchet, although it’s been awhile since I’ve watched it, but I’d have to agree with you.
     
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    In many cases, even if there isn't a final survivor, there is a final primary target.
     
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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Not good enough.

    (Says I.)

    Why the hell would a sadistic killer or monster not seek to kill any/everyone in their path just because it spent longer chasing the main character? Why would that change the definition of what a "final girl/boy" (etc.) is in fans' eyes? It's a mighty obscure technicality. And a ridiculous one to boot.
     
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    A few recent ones that come to mind:

    Dark Ride
    Black Christmas
    remake
    Cold Prey
    You're Next
    Texas Chainsaw Massacre
    remake
    Texas Chainsaw 3D

    But now that I'm thinking about it, you are right. It's a rarity.

    As for older ones, there's:
    American Gothic
    Humungous
    Tourist Trap


    I can't remember, did Kate McNeil's date survive in House On Sorority Row?
     
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    Also Curtains if I remember correctly, but I haven't seen that in forever so I could be wrong.
     
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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Looking at my list, I want to make a couple things clear - how this all works.

    1. Shocker and 976-Evil 2 - a "final girl/boy" is obviously not going to get credit for being the final survivor, since the theory on what that "means" is compromised by the ghost/spirit of a dead character, especially of their own age group or more specifically (in these cases) a love interest, saving their lives or giving them some kind of power they literally use in the final moment of finishing off the killer.

    2. Same thing basically applies to a character who isn't able to escape the killer by their own merits... Jamie in Halloween 5, which I didn't list, is a perfect example. Dr. Loomis stopped Michael in time to save Jamie. But, something like Parents is included in list 1 because Michael (that's the kid's name: amusing coincidence) actually did escape / outlast his murderous parents of his own devices.

    Speaking of the Halloween 5 catch... it also applies to the first 2 films. Though I'm tempted to continue sparing the original since Loomis's intervention is so damned last minute and only keeps the ending apart from Laurie spinning for about 45 seconds. Long enough for him to show the audience that he can't be killed by anyone.

    3. The difference between the boyfriends in Hellraiser and Black Christmas is... of course that the cenobites don't have to be choosing to target one or the other: Steve is right there. Right in the danger zone. Chris of course was never in the house without a group of people already there. Which, naturally, is an example of invoking the "never split up" formula rather than (kill everyone until we get to) the "final girl/boy." We would assume anyone wandering alone in that house would be in danger. (Unless you are dead-set on the killer only killing the opposite sex.) (Which you might not even have as a theory until the ending.)
     
  10. dave13

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    Just going off on a tangent here, but I just watched 976-EVIL II, and what a bizarre experience it was. I'm quickly becoming a Jim Wynorski fan (Deathstalker II was wonderful), but this was pretty weird out of the gate. I was put off balance when I realized that the "horrorscope" phone line was for all intents and purposes irrelevant, but as it became weirder and weirder, I started enjoying it more. I need to watch it again so that I can follow the story a bit more (who the hell was the mullet-ed biker guy, anyway?), but I must say that the It's A Wonderful Life segment was absolutely inspired. Really an entertaining movie.
     
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    The mullet-biker was actually a character in the first movie. I saw it once on Comcast's free-movies-on-TV thing in '08 and I hated it (keep forgetting Robert Englund directed it). Same actor too, which surprises me. Wynorksi's is the better film, no contest. I don't remember the first movie well, but people called the number and they always died. In the sequel, of course, only maybe Grubeck called the number and Spike just gets called. Which might be insinuating that he called the number in the first movie and now they're trying to collect (his life) throughout. The scene where he's attacked by the objects in the room is I believe the sort of thing that happened in the first movie, an act perpetrated by the evil phone service. But their purpose is just to give Grubeck power, sort of like Chucky or Pinker got power from voodoo spells / spirits. That was some damn near seamless blending between the IaWL/NotLD sequences. King sequence of the movie for me though is the "Pushin' Too Hard" car crash scene. That thing made my eyes bulge and sit up in my chair. Downright disturbing. For an auto-wreck calamity scene.

    I missed Deathstalker II. :(

    Have you come across Not of This Earth; any thoughts?
     
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    I liked Not of This Earth, but once you learn that it was made as a bet to see if Wynorski could film it quicker than Corman had filmed his, it certainly explains a lot. It didn't make a huge impression, to be honest. Tracy Lords is fairly hot, which I appreciated (and in this case it's legal to think so, too - what a novelty), and she has a surprising amount of (somewhat wooden) charm, which you have to give her credit for - for a porn star, she makes an ok actress.

    You should definitely seek out Deathstalker II. Although I think it benefits from watching the original first, as part of what makes it amusing is how it completely spoofs its predecessor. It's got an incredibly catchy main theme, and if you don't dig it after seeing the way the main title is revealed, then you might as well just switch it off right there. Also, Monique Gabrielle.

    I've also really enjoyed Big Bad Mama II, which had absolutely no right to be as entertaining as it was, and I credit Wynorski for that. I haven't seen Chopping Mall in years, but recall liking it quite a bit. And I also quite enjoyed Slumber Party Massacre II, although I didn't mention it as I think you've already expressed your disdain for that one.
     
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    976-Evil>976-Evil 2.

    I enjoy both, though.
     
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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Nice try. No sale, though.

    976-Evil II > 976-Evil = signed, sealed, stamped.


    I've been a fan ever since I saw her in The Tommyknockers. Don't know why but that part really latched onto me. Apart from that, I both really like her style and flipped my lid when I realized she had a fuckin' techno album. Which I've proceeded to burn a whole through (am on my 2nd copy now). I realized then that it was meant to be, whatever we've got going.


    He didn't direct Slumber Party Massacre 2. That was an all-women's trilogy, the directors I mean. And I don't hate it. I hate the chicken, the pimple scene (it was just stupid), and that fuckin' rocker guy. What. The. FUCK? No- it's the 3rd film I (very rightly) despise.

    No, if we're talking Wynorski's Sorority House Massacre... I literally made a YouTube video showing fans of the movie (I made it for the Facebook group, The Old Hockstatter Place) what the bit of dialogue the DVD glitched out during the "what's keeping Suzy?" sequence:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54P2khrRsdY

    I literally used to watch my old Cinemax tape of the movie (and its direct sequel, Hard to Die) every few weeks. Ah: 1994... You can call me a fan. A lot of gay fans, specifically, for that movie I've noticed. Both on Facebook and Gregg Araki himself used a clip from it in 1999's Splendor.
     
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    Whoops. My bad. You're right. I was looking over his IMDB list, and my brain must have read Slumber Party where it said Sorority House. I haven't seen that one. Although I have seen Slumber Party Massacre II, and did enjoy it - that part I wasn't mistaken about.

    But yeah - Deathstalker II. Check it out.
     
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    bruce h Editor - CINEMA ARCANA

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    I'm annoyed by this whole "new distributor" business. All these discs are still not available on amazon.ca for pre-order.
     
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    Yeah seriously this is bullshit. I had a best buy gift card that I used to pre-order Jules and Jim. Surprise surprise, it's not in stock.

    ~Matt
     
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    I locked in my pre-order for Sleepaway Camp direct from Shout in order to get that limited poster. I still had a $10 off code from a promo they had last December, so only came to $17 shipped.

    I noticed they did 300 posters for this one instead of the usual 200. I wonder if that's going to be a regular thing now, or if it was just for Sleepaway Camp?
     
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    Specs for Herzog's NOSFERATU

    * Both English and German versions of the film
    * Audio... Commentary with writer/producer/director Werner Herzog
    * Audio Commentary with Werner Herzog, moderated by Laurens Straub (In German with English Subtitles)
    * Vintage Featurette – The Making of Nosferatu
    * Theatrical Trailers
    * Reversible wrap (with the "white" theatrical poster design)
     

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