Suicide Club... WTF?!?

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  1. dmeister

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    Can someone please tell me what the hell this movie was about?!? I was cruising along nicely until the final third of the film, when the girl goes off to meet the Evil-Japanese-Girl-Menudo band. (Strangely enough, I thought those thirteen-year-olds were evil from the start.) And was there some significance to the fact that the name of the band was spelled three or four different ways through out the film?

    It seemed like an interesting concept that quickly spun out of control as a result of poor writing.

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    I just watched this again yesterday, I don't completely understand the film myself, but a few thoughts on some key parts (obvious spoilers):

    - I felt that "evil Japanese band" had nothing to do with the suicides what so ever. I thought it was a comment on how people ride fads to become famous, which is what the band was trying to do, ride the suicide fad and become stars. I thought they were trying to take credit for the suicides that were being caused by Dessart.

    - The main hint that the girls were behind it, in my opinion, was the constant clearing of the throat on the calls. The voices were hoarse from singing.

    - The final scenes of the film, where the girl is standing on stage infront of all those kids reflects some sort of self evaluation, making a connection with herself.

    - When the girl mentions her boyfriend killed himself because "He is the type", I thought that she ment he is the type to buy into what is trendy, thus explaining the Dessart stuff in his room

    In my opinion, I thought alot of the film was commenting on fads in general, and how people will follow any crazy fad just to be cool and hip. I don't understand why at the end of the film though, that girl ended up joining the "Suicide Club", if anyone could share some insight in that one.

    Like I said, there is still alot I don't quite get, but I hope at least some of my thoughts help you out.
     
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    Yes, I actually meant "Dessart" (or "Dessert," "Desert," and "Desret" as the case may be) when I said "band," though "group" probably would've been more accurate.

    That whole "connection" thing was lost on me, as well; maybe it would've made more sense (logically, if not philosophically) in the original Japanese. And, since the girl went on to prepare for her own suicide after meeting the children, they certainly didn't leave me with the impression that they were helping her out at all, particularly when she had no desire to kill herself in the first place.

    While there were some obvious points made about the "trend" of suicide, such as the "Suicide Club" that jumps off the school roof, I don't think that was really the point of the film. After all, I am assuming that you didn't actually go to meet "Dessert" -- and then prepare for your own suicide -- until after you solved a puzzle of sorts with their various clues. While I'm not entirely sure what the point was, it probably had something to do with finding (or not finding?) your connection to yourself. What the hell ever that means.

    dmeister

    post-scriptum,

    And I guess Japanese people don't bleed like Americans... Did you notice that they didn't even wear bandages over those gaping wounds?
     
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    I just recently reviewed this film. The whole point of the film is that whenever someone kills themself, and I'm not talking in the movie I'm talking real life, that people always try to find answers for why someone would do that. The film is brilliant for remaining ambiguous in this matter, because several people killed themselves in this film without the influence of fads and influence. The film offers no solutions why someone would kill themself. The J-Pop band Dessert and the glam band Suicide Club only act as surrogates to incidents like the kid killing himself while listening to Judas Priest and Ozzy Osbourne (remember those court scandals?). There is no answer, people have their own and that's the tragedy because people don't pay attention. You can't take the incidents of this film at face value, there is no concrete evidence for any of it, and that's the point.
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    EDIT: This film plays on the audience, or say how a parent is quick to blame an outside influence on suicide, such as music, fads, etc. But in the end there is no answer...
     
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  5. 2D4EVER

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    I posted this on kfc a few days ago:

    Just saw it last night. I liked it a lot. Didn't understand it all till I thought about it. Then I saw someones theory on it and it sounded something like what I was thinking.

    "I have to admit, when the movie ended, I was like - what the fuck - but I went outside for a piss and thought about it. And I got it all of the sudden. It sort of fit together. The jumper's girlfriend, she solved the puzzle. She talked to the kids, and she was connected to herself. She was comfortable with her life, or whatever being connected with yourself means. I'm not an existentialist philosopher. Remember when the main character's son (Karoudo's son) pulled up the website and it had the spinning circle - a snake chasing it's tail? There was a gap? And it said if you saw it, you would live? Well the gap was the connection to yourself.

    When the girl had her connection to herself, and gave up her skin, she finally connected everyone. Her piece of skin would be stitched together with the others to make the roll complete. A giant circle. Through her connection to herself, she connected everyone else to themselves.

    And then the suicides stopped, because the jigsaw puzzle's final piece had been placed. The band stopped playing (people were no longer strangely inspired to kill themselves), and the girl didn't kill herself, proving that the suicides were over."
     
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    I think you both might be missing some key points here:

    My impression was that Dessert was orchestrating the suicides, not just serving as depressing background music while a suicidal child finally pushes himself over the edge. The suicide victims were deliberately selected and prepared, and the location and time of their deaths were also arranged. Once this became apparent, the detectives realized that it had really been a form of murder all along. Moreover, we are talking about a lot of people who would not have killed themselves, otherwise. That is the most important point.

    The circle of flesh represented suicide victims. Consequently, if you went to Dessert and had your flesh stripped after "finding your connection" or whatever, you were essentially preparing to take place in a mass suicide. You were not breaking the chain of events, finding yourself, connecting to everyone else, or anything like that. All of the Dessert suicide victims (up to the end) had seemingly been prepared in such a manner. What was so special about her skin that broke the chain of suicides?

    Most of the people who were killing themselves were not suicidal or suffering from depression. Most of the suicide victims were euphoric when they killed themselves. For that matter, suicide is a very personal thing, and mass suicides are seldom committed out of despair, but rather on religious grounds or the like. The detective's family is a good example: They were obviously a close-knit, functional family unit, and I think it would be absurd to believe that all three would decide to kill themselves without some outside influence.

    The jumper's girlfriend never wanted to commit suicide (she even said so), yet -- after solving the puzzle and speaking to Dessert's kid-cult -- that's exactly what she prepared to do. She went to have her flesh stripped for the next chain.

    The ending was very ambiguous. The obvious take, up until the final moment, is that another group of people is preparing for a mass suicide. The flesh chain had been prepared, Dessert-cell-rings were going off simultaneously, and so on. After that, the movie tries -- ineffectively, in my opinion -- to tie everything together with some weak metaphysics that really didn't make a lot of sense.

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    I was cool with this film until the band made its appearance. From that point on, I realized I was going to sell my copy. It happens to be yet another so-so film that has a band wagon in the wake of the Asian cinema explosion.

    I am just not as much a fan of the genre enough to tolerate a lot of the poor elements in this film. Where, on the other hand, I can deal with the major plot holes of an Argento film just because I simply like his style. Just thought I'd point that out so no one is taking my criticism of the film/genre personally. Let's face it, giallo's, cannibal films, slashers, etc all have their problems as well.
     
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    Well, I still don't quite understand it all, either. But what I really don't get is why the trailer has a full scene that is nowhere to be found in the movie (the spooky hair and blood coming out of the fax machine from the nurse office area). Did anyone else notice this?
     
  9. dmeister

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    I know the girl jumped out of the window shortly after seeing something come out of the fax machine, which it never showed in the movie. I never saw the trailer, though.

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  10. 2D4EVER

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    Yea that scene was cut out of the movie. Don't know why though. I thought it was pretty cool.
     
  11. Vincent Pina

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    Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool, too. There seems to be a running thread through these horror asian flicks with long dark hair.....it was in The Ring series, Audition, Ju-On, Memories, Nightmare, Kairo, and I'm sure others as well.
     
  12. Andrew

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    Kwaidan too :nervous: .

    I liked this movie quite a bit but honestly don't understand it all myself yet. It seems to be one of those movies that deserves at least a second viewing.
     
  13. puddytay

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    OMG this movie fucking sucked. This has to be in my top 10 worst movies I have ever seen. It was a interesting concept and the first half of the movie was kinda interesting other than the poor acting. After the first half the movie it was so incredibly slow and poorly written. I kept thinking to myself I could have directed this better for around 20 dollars. This is the worst asian horror film I have ever seen. I never knew someone could make such a horrible movie. WOW I just wasted a hour and a half of my life, I so much want it back.
    One more thing I think the large amounts of the suicides made the movie kinda dumb. What was the total around 1,000 suicides? There wouldnt be that many people in 1 city that would commit suicide just for the fun of it. Fucking dumb. They could have done so much more with this idea but it was poorly executed.
    DO NOT WATCH THIS MOVIE IT SUCKS.
     
  14. Cujo108

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    As I see it, Suicide Circle works on two levels.

    On one level, the movie is obviously dealing distinctly with Japanese family life. In some ways the this theme is similar to Miike's Visitor Q with the disconnected adults abandoning their children (or literally fucking them in Q). It seems that the movie makes a point to draw a clear line between the adults and the teens in the movie. There is a clear disconnect between the generations. With adults (especially fathers) working obscene hours in Japan, I can see where this them would be relevant to the Japanese. When Kuroda returns home to find his own family in peril, the disconnect comes to a painful and tragic fruition.

    The second level or theme that I see in the movie is the discussion about commercialism and the influence of culture (generational, ethnic, and popular) on individuals. Sono seems to believe that people are reactionary creatures and respond to the cues they are given. There also seems to be some subtext regarding basic human need that echoes Maslow's theory of the hierarchy of needs. That is to say that humans can only exist if they are given the necessary components to survive. Without a sense of identity, people are vulnerable and mutable.

    The opening scene shows the girls seemingly unphased by what they will be doing, because they are missing a sense of reality. They have succumbed to the external influences in their lives rather than controlling their own destinies. The rooftop scene also displays this theme rather explicitly. There is a sense that the teens have submitted their fates to the world rather than claiming the control of their futures for themselves.

    So, what of the singing Bowie-esque interlude? To me, this character represents the absurd and insane result of this complete submission. He has allowed the outside or external forces to destroy his mind. He sings the pop songs because they are all he knows. He is an echo chamber of all that has been fed to him. He is the end result of Desert/Dessert.

    I also believe that the circle itself has some symbolic significance. On the surface, the circle seems to represent the pattern of life or the circular rotation of life and death. But after watching the movie again, I saw something else. Each piece of skin represents a soul and a mind, and a death. To me the circle looked like a collection of tickets like one would see passed out at a concert. Each ticket represents that individual's entrance into submission (which is played out rather literally in the final sequence).

    Obviously, I think it is a brilliant film, and I'm glad to own it.
     
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  16. drown021

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    I've felt the same way about some movies puddytay,but you really hated this one,haha.
     
  17. Atmims

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    Excellent write-up Cujo. I loved the movie, it's one of my favorites now.
     
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    Still looking to buy a copy of this one...
     
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    I believe I've seen it available in the drama section at a couple of Best Buys for only $17.99. Might be wrong on the price though. I like the movie quite a bit.
     
  20. Sakura

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    HEY!! I was wondering if anyone knew what sites i could go to to see a preveiw or Trailer for Suicide Club/Circle. I have been looking but no luck so far. If any one could e-mail it to me or post a site, that would be awsome, Thanks and buh bye

    :fuck: *~Sakura~* :fuck:
     

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