The Mutilator coming to dvd/blu-ray 2013

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  1. Body Boy

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    I want this to be true, but the original artwork not being used, yet a reproduction will be, added with the Code Red debate, I'm so worried that this is a bootleg. I don't know what to think at the moment. People love to slam Code Red, but until we all have the facts, I'm not going to attack either CR or TV. This is one that we will have to watch and wait out for the moment.
     
  2. Mutilated Prey

    Mutilated Prey Soul Stealer

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    Who releases a bootleg on Blu Ray? CodeRed was definitely in a legal debate with someone else but whom that was never really was revealed. I can only assume everything is finally coming to fruition.
     
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    Even if Code Red does own the rights and it is legally classified as a "bootleg", it sounds like the director is involved with this release. I have no problem supporting that, especially since The Mutilator was such a homegrown production to begin with.

    And if it is a blu-ray sourced from a film print, then I'm doubly okay with supporting this.
     
  4. Katatonia

    Katatonia Hellbound Heart

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    Here's an update on Titan Video's Facebook:

    Hmm, I'm not sure what to think now... :eek1:
     
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    on the facebook page, the guy at Titan answered in regards to the quality of the material

    "The 35mm print is available, the unusable material are the scenes that were cut out. They will be in the DVD and Blu-Ray, but the quality will obviously be poorer in those scenes."

    So it sounds like to me the uncut footages do not exist in 35mm format, which sorta is what Code Red was saying? And sounds like this is from a print, not a negative or anything, and on the BluRay, they are going to then insert all the cut stuff from a tape master then, since Don May posted (which seem to prove Bill is correct that at the time, there was no film elements)

    "Don May Jr - Awesome news! I remember when the licensors came to us YEARS ago and wanted us to do it. The problem was, all they had for the uncut version were the old 3/4" U-Matic and 1" masters, which would suck, so we passed on it. If TITAN is doing a Blu, then I wonder what they are using?"


    Not sure what to make of all this.
     
  6. foller

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    Here is what Bill wrote about this matter some time ago, taken from the Code Red blog:

    OLD NEWS FOR THE MUTILATOR (for people who forgot)
    There have been some 2ND hand statements and slanderous lies posted on few message boards regarding CODE RED and the motion picture THE MUTILATOR. Here is the truth once again to set the records straight.

    (1) CODE RED has a valid contract with Buddy Cooper on the film.

    (2) Mr. Cooper told us that he had the negative and prints in New York, but later we realized that the place was gone. Buddy used his assistant to search for it, only to come up empty handed.

    (3) Buddy did find a 3/4 inch tape (I recall the R cut), but this is unusable for today's standards for a DVD release. 3/4 will look worse than your old VHS Vestron Tape and most likely will not play since it has had a 15 year lifespan.

    (4) A youtube video poped up with Buddy showing a storage shack with some 35mm cans in the background. I talked to Buddy and he told me it was empty. He did find some trims and some trailers which we sent to a Los Angeles lab (the one Something Weird used). The 35mm trailer was damaged due to poor storage/weather conditions after 25 years. If there had been a 35mm print inside, it would most likely also be damaged/beyond repair.

    (5) Rumor circled around that Movielab New York had the negatives. Cliff MacMillan of BCI personally asked Mike Vraney of Something Weird and he didn't have it. It was not at Movielab. Since then, many print collectors and film storage people were contacted. Nothing.

    We can't understand why so many people spew slanderous lies about us regarding this film. We have mentioned these facts countless times, but it seems we might have to put this bulletin out once a year. If Buddy has a 35mm usable print, he never told us or delivered it to us. This is the 2011 bulletin. Come back next year to probably see the same bulletin all over again. This is what we have on the table, nothing else.

    Link:
    http://codereddvdblog.blogspot.de/s...0-07:00&max-results=10&start=30&by-date=false
     
  7. Katatonia

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    Personally, I don't really care who holds the rights or whatever. I just want to see a quality release of the film, hopefully sourced from a good quality film print and hopefully also on Blu-ray.

    Unfortunately this sounds like the Popcorn rights situation, and we the fans will probably suffer for it.
     
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    And Code Red still hasn't released Popcorn either.

    If they sabotage this release too, then I'm done with them. Even if they do legally own the rights, they're not doing anything with it.

    That said, it does sound like Titan Video might have jumped the gun with their announcement. From the Facebook comments, he sounds like he is taking their word that the 35mm print is available and usable, but he hasn't actually seen the elements yet.
     
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    Same thing Code Red did - jump the gun. You'd think people would learn by now not to say anything until everything is signed, sealed and INSPECTED. Sometimes it's better not knowing anything until a week or two before the actual street date.
     
  10. Chomp

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    It sounds like Buddy wants The Mutilator released, but doesn't understand his film elements are in terrible condition. So he just shops it around until a stalemate is reached due to unusable elements and moves on to another releasing company ignoring contractual aggreements and criticisms.

    I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to side with Code Red on this one. Bill has been in the game for more than 3 years. If Mutilator was OK to release I am sure he would have released it as it would have been one of Code Red's more profitable releases.

    Secondly, we all know Bill gets aggressive with internet trolls, but he has yet to threaten suicide. Use a knife? I can't beleive that TV guy opens his statememt with that...you're in the business of releasing Z-grade movies...get over yourself.

    I hope The Mutilator gets released, hell it deserves to be, but just like the Popcorn BD, this sounds like a pipedream.
     
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    Code Red better not stop this release heck Popcorn and Butcher Baker still aint out yet either
     
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    ^ This.

    People need to stop looking through "Code Red Hate Glasses", and look at the facts.
     
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    If only that were true. Bill is more likely to sit on a popular title than release it.
     
  14. Body Boy

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    Bill wasn't sitting on The Mutilator, he has said countless times that there are no usable elements for it. People cannot seem to get that through their heads.

    Bill sitting on Night Warning for five years is another story. 2007-2010 was understandable though.

    But with this Mutilator stuff, Chomp hit the nail on the head.
     
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    I don't buy the whole "unusuable elements" excuse because of this: it hasn't stopped Code Red from releasing DVD's that were sourced from poor elements before.

    Exterminators of the Year 3000 and others were released in Pan & Scan from poor elements. The Cheering Section DVD has one of the worst transfers I've ever seen on a DVD.

    Even the German DVD of The Mutilator looks better than some Code Red releases. It's not like the only source available for the film is some 10th generation VHS tape.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, sometimes people don't just license movies, but often transfers as well, and I honestly have no idea how that all works. I seem to recall something like that happening with Chopping Mall.

    But even if the film elements are unusable, is there any reason they couldn't just source it from the laserdisc? I'm assuming that is what Dragon did, and I imagine it's a step above the VHS / tape masters. Perfectly watchable, and the laserdisc is unrated if I'm not mistaken. I haven't actually seen the laserdisc to comment though. I'm sure if this was an option, they would have thought of this by now. At least I'd like to think so.

    35mm would be ideal, but if there truly are no usable elements, I would still like to own the film on disc. Code Red has released films in fullscreen before (The Carrier). I'm sure Bill would say that he won't release it because fans will be in an uproar over a below par transfer, but he could easily avoid that by doing what Scorpion does. Just let the fans know what they're getting ahead of time, like with American Nightmare, Incubus, etc.

    I'm not suggesting they just throw it onto disc as cheaply as possible, just that if they absolutely have no film elements then do the best you can with what you've got.
     
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    Well judging from Don Mays post, Buddy Cooper tried to offer MUTILATOR to Synapse, but Don looked at the material and all they had was old 3/4 inch tape, so Chomp saying Buddy doesnt seem to understand about elements seem to be true here.
     
  18. Chomp

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    I haven't seen these "unusable elements" and I doubt anyone posting in this thread has either...and it doesn't even sound like this new releasing company has viewed them yet. But Don May has and passed and Bill has and he has indefinitely postponed his release. There has to be more to the story than just releasing it for the sake of releasing it.

    I just don't think the profit is inticing enough for Bill to slap it on a disc and call it a day. This was one of Code Red's earliest announced titles...I imagine Bill has quite a few bucks already invested into this project and releasing a subpar quality disc doesn't gaurantee Code Red will recoup its funds...especially when an equal quality transfer is readily available already to download or purchase from bootleggers for half the price.

    The case with Nightmare seems like Bill released it to shut people up...he's already said he'd never make a profit on that release. And Exterminators was probably a licensing package deal...which probably he could afford to release it in subpar conditions.

    The Mutilator is different with a bigger fanbase. I think it deserves the best treatment available and if that means waiting 10 more years I am fine with that. Till then my Vestron tape or DragonDVD will suffice.
     
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    I've never seen The Mutilator before, but I was randomly clicking around on my Roku box and saw a channel called Drive-In Classics. They have a bunch of older sci-fi and horror movies streaming for free. A lot are public domain, but I was surprised by some of the things I saw on there such as The Mutilator, Devil Times Five, and Cellar Dweller. I'll definitely have to give The Mutilator a watch to see if I want to pick up its eventual DVD release.
     
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    Epix HD is great on Roku, dont forget to check out the 2012 version of Attack of the 50ft Cheerleader.
     

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