Unpopular opinions!

Discussion in 'General' started by _pi_, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Paff

    Paff Super Moderator

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    Not gonna disagree with you there, but keep in mind that what found footage is to the '10s, and torture porn is to the '00s, slasher films were to the '80s; a cheap cash-in on a popular trend. Not to mention that while you consider the slasher era to be "fun", a lot of people considered it to be misogynistic and worse (not me, I'm just talking about the criticism of the time).

    I'll also reiterate my position that a lot of 80s slashers were total crap, it's only now that we can look back on which films were good and cherry-pick the quality films while ignoring the crap. In that time though, we did not have that luxury and had to sit through four weeks of Don't Go In The Barn and Fraternity Row Massacre before something like Evil Dead would play. And all got the same hype, so you just never knew.
     
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    It's nostalgia. A friend and I were trying to pin down why bad slashers from the 80s were still somehow better than slashers from the early 2000s and we came to the conclusion that nostalgia is one of the main reasons. They have a campy dated look that films today just don't have. They seem grindhouse-esque.

    ~Matt
     
  3. CPT HOOK

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    Maybe some of it is nostalgia for me. Actually, many of the '00 films I listed were shot on film, so even though they weren't aged / grindhousey, they still maintained a bit of that look. It was really the last time these straight-to-video films could be shot on film, because now that digital is the norm, it's way too expensive.

    It was also the last days of VHS rentals. I could go to the video store and see movies like Bloody Murder, Cut, or Ripper: Letter From Hell on the new release wall, then walk over to the horror section and see Motel Hell, Night Of The Creeps, Slumber Party Massacre, Silent Night, Deadly Night, etc sitting on the shelf. So at the time, it just wasn't that far removed for me.

    But now that video stores don't carry anything from before '00, maybe that soured my viewed of the later '00s / '10s for me?
     
  4. DVD-fanatic-9

    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    I've always thought so. I'm going to rewatch it again soon.


    Cut shares a great honor in my life as a horror fan: it's a member of the 0 out of 10 Club.

    As much as I go on and on about the worst horror films I've ever seen (Trick 'R Treat, Saw, The Beast Within, Blood Diner), that is one of the actual worst. I'm pretty sure Cannibal Holocaust, Slumber Party Massacre III, and The Descent (which I flat-out Just Shut Off before it was over- even Dead Snow, Splinter, Irreversible, Cabin in the Woods, and Freddy vs. Jason lasted longer than that) are the only other horror films which share that distinction.

    As for the rest of CPT HOOK's list- I'm with him on Shredder. It's bad but it's fun. And Satan's Little Helper... is on the superior side of the Aughts. Which is a bold statement but it is clever. You just need to be properly warned about the characters, the dialogue, and story before you sit down: none of it is believable in the slightest.

    However, Wendigo is a good movie. And actually made some rounds in smaller theatrical release. As did Ginger Snaps- which is still probably the best horror film since 2000. Or 2nd best after Suicide Circle. One has the brains, the other has the guts.


    Paff is really onto something, too: the 80's slasher is overrated. And a product of nostalgia, as Matt89 pointed out. Though, arguably, so is the Giallo Overload for people who like the tropes of that subgenre more than the American slasher. In fact... one subgenre is usually no better than any other, depending upon how frequently it cranked stuff out. For example: werewolf films have always been rarer than vampire films, so chances are finding a bad vampire film is easier.

    Oh, and my next controversial opinion:

    1985 was the weakest year in horror for the 80's when you stack up the returns of each year of the decade.
     
  5. maybrick

    maybrick Well-Known Member

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    This has been a very long thread so I don't know if I've already said this before, but if I have then it bears repeating:

    Led Zeppelin was way better when they were The Yardbirds.
     
  6. Kim Bruun

    Kim Bruun Resident Scream Queen

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    And I didn't interpret it that way. A majority of my favourites are from the 70's and the 80's, but I do feel that major works have been contributed to the genre since then (going into which ones is treading unpopular opinions territory!). That said, there are some more recent minor flicks that I enjoy every time I revisit them - Wrong Turn and Sleepwalkers are good examples. Heck, I even like Jason Goes to Hell. ;)

    Don't Go in the Barn? Fraternity Row Massacre? Those sound awesome! Just for the record, I like The House on Sorority Row, Barn of the Naked Dead, and Don't Go in the House. ;) My point was that it's rare that a recent horror film makes me go "well, that was a bad movie, but at least I enjoyed myself."
     
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    Anaestheus Well-Known Member

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    And speaking of Led Zeppelin - nothing interesting has happened in Blues since Led Zeppelin. They basically took the blues and expanded it till it broke.
     
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    buck135 Kanamit

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    I'll never understand the appeal for their live perfomances. I'm burnt out on their music, but the first 1000 times you hear any one of their many hits...wow.
     
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    And, I HATE slasher films. Outside of a small handful (Halloween, Black Christmas, and maybe one or two others that I can't think of now) I find them incredibly boring.

    Yet. oddly, I love Giallo.
     
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    Heretic!!!
     
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    Regarding the old direct-to-video scene compared to today - I think a lot of that has to do with just how easy it is for anyone to make a movie today. Back in the older days, it required a considerable amount of money, determination, and lunacy. And if you didn't have at least basic access to all three of those, projects would fail at launch.

    Today, all you really need is time. And courtesy of the modern age, that is something that way too many people seem to have way too much of.
     
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    Anaestheus Well-Known Member

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    Oddly synchronous: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...st&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all
     
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    maybrick Well-Known Member

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    I beg to differ. The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion kicked all sorts of ass back in their heyday.
     
  14. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    Well according to Jimmy Page, Jack White is doing something good with blues music.

    Also,
    I like The Lone Ranger so much, I went to see it twice.
     
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    Workshed A Barge Person

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    Truth. Love Jack White's music.
     
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    i love the white stripes. but blunderbuss didn't do anything for me. thought it was dull-dull-dull.
     
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    thing Well-Known Member

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    Jack white is insufferable
     
  18. DVD-fanatic-9

    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Put me on the "fan" side of Sleepwalkers as well.

    But boil me in oil: Jason Goes to Hell will always be one of my Most Hated Things About the 1990's. Always. My mind has never been able to process the fact that the director of that film considers himself a fan of the franchise. Preposterous!


    I'm a Boss Hog guy myself. (Which he's in.)


    Nothing synchronous about that- I hate Demon Knight, I know everyone else loves it. All in all, the perfect candidate for an unpopular opinion.

    Although I'm with anyone who says From Dusk Till Dawn trumps them both. Even the overly talky, less fun 2nd half. (Though there are moments in Bordello I like more than most of the 2nd half of FDTD. Especially the gore/FX and Angie Everhart- who, villain regardless, remained consistently amusing throughout the film whereas Juliette Lewis's character began to weigh the film down. A lot of interesting badass potential gone to waste in a time when we were still collectively recovering from Lori Petty in Tank Girl. Oh, Anne Parillaud- where did you go?)


    I really relate to a lot of people who do. The formulas for those films are terrible in and of themselves. They were bad for women, thereby inherently bad for men as well (unless you automatically turn your brain off when you watch something and that's always been easier said than done: we really need to stop with that defense as a fan community), they were extremely creatively-challenged, cheap and corner-cutting, are just about single-handedly responsible for the frequent public backlashes against the genre (pre-"torture porn" era, that is)... because they never caught wind of Lucio Fulci, Frank Henenlotter, splatter Peter Jackson, (etc.) - although look how cleanly Carpenter's The Thing got away with goopy murder as a wide release with no actual Silent Night Deadly Night type campaigns trying to take it down, and truly are the most redundantly minus-merit subtextually as a group. Yes, they're the most sexually charged, thereby the most "psychologically potent" films for interpretive readings. But, again, redundancy. More than probably any other subgenre: if you've seen one, you've seen them all. And what's left after that is to question just what was up each writer's/director's ass that the female characters were portrayed as misogynistically when they lived as when they died. Something I wouldn't say if most of the time I were able to read the films as stories / view them as art, rather than ploys. Even when they were self-aware (Sleepaway Camp, Motel Hell), the films usually had their work cut out for them calling the bullshit of the set-ups from previous slashers before getting down to their own business.

    Plus, they never really were as dark and raunchy as they thought they were. Plain and Simple Violence has never truly been transgressive. Says I.
     
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    I got to see them live twice (and JSBX once) back in the 90s. They put on killer shows. I'm more a fan of the Amphetamine Reptile era of Boss Hog than their later stuff, but that was good, too.

    I'm lukewarm about Jack White's solo output and his various side projects, but The White Stripes always worked for me because I think that style of music always sounds best stripped down. All of the musicians Jack chose to play with other than Meg sounded too "professional", and therefore makes the final product rather bland.
     
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    The Cat o'Nine Tails has more money shots and a more coherent overall story arch than The Bird with the Crystal Plumage. Dario Argento might disagree, but artists aren't necessarilly their own most reliable critics.
     

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