Valentine

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  1. Matt89

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    Nah, Friday the 13th movies were definitely targeted towards teenagers. Sure the movies were rated-R, but they KNEW kids were gonna be somehow getting into these movies. (And remember, R is only 17 in the states) so yeah, Friday movies were definitely targeted towards teens.

    ~Matt
     
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    Definitely. Movie theaters were much more lenient back then than they are today. I saw a ton of R rated films in theaters without adult supervision in the early 80s (Amityville II, Boogens, F13-3D, and The Entity to name only a few) and I wasn't even 10 years old at that point. They were far more concerned with sexual content than in the amount of violence.
     
  3. DVD-fanatic-9

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    The train just stopped in its' tracks.

    "No redeeming value"? You're talking about Saw, clearly. Not Urban Legend.

    Urban Legend was one of the only post-Scream slasher films that actually retained the hard-edge of Scream's razor-sharp humor and dark satire of teen culture at that time. For example, the film's more recklessly dumb and irritating characters were not only bumped off in creative ways, but every scene that you'd assume was playing them for humor was brilliantly giving the character enough rope to hang themselves. It was a set-up to make their death scenes pay off, to make us almost want to see them killed. Every victim was a callous or obnoxious or loose character. All of which had their roots in actual social types from teen / high school and college culture of the time. I'm here to say - I was there. I would know.

    The film is utterly hilarious. And I'm shocked, again, that you missed something that was so obvious. At the same time, feels a little bit more brutal without going into gore than the I Know films and Scream 3, to mention a couple. I actually felt dread and, I think that means I have to agree with Maybrick (FOR WHICH I will immediately be taking a boiling hot shower afterward! My skin crawls just thinking about it!) about it being very suspenseful. The film also deserves a lot of credit for Alicia Witt as a very untypical heroine. She didn't emote well, but apart from that- she was the most natural and sophisticated of the post-Scream "Sidney Prescot"s / women in jeopardy.


    As for Valentine... Basically, it feels like the soap opera version of a slasher film. If The In-Crowd had been a horror movie, Valentine would be it. Its' number one flaw was being unaware that the slasher genre had maxed itself out. All their ideas had already been done before and there was nothing new to watch. Just new faces, slightly new death scenes. I don't want to watch the same thing a hundred times and they were beating an already dead horse, long past the point of bloating.
     
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    I enjoyed Urban Legends and Valentine although they arent gonna win any awards. But SAW to me is just awful!!!! Cant stand that movie and I wont bother with the sequals since I hear they are even worse. I still cannot figure out how those made money and keep getting sequals- something Ill never understand I guess- but I can understand those that did not enjoy urban legends and moreso valentine - I like them but I can see why others dont since they are a bit generic and by the numbers for movies coming out at that time
     
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    DVD-fanatic-9 And the Next Morning, When the Campers Woke Up...

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    Apparently I LIVE for taking things off-topic, but I feel like I should do an embarrassing celebratory dance every time a brave soul has the guts to call the Saw series for what it really is! Thank you for at least that much.
     
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    Angelman OCD Blu Ray Collector

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    Me too. My sis and I saw all the Fridays/Elm Streets and so on in the theater and no one blinked. We bought our own tickets too. Just a different, less overly-protective time I guess.
     
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    _pi_ Peace, bitch

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    I used to feel the same way. I kinda enjoyed the first Saw (actually, I really enjoyed it at the time of its release but then the anti-hype caught up with me and I started to dislike it more and more), but the two first sequels I hated.

    Then, for some bizarre reason, I didn't hate them anymore and actually started to enjoy them for what they are: cheesy, gory nu-splatter movies. Had they been made in the 80s, we'd all be gushing about the glory days of Saw-esque horror, all the while totally forgetting just how awfully written they are/were/whatever.
     
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    Sometimes we did, but there was always a 50/50 chance that there would be some old biddy at the window who wouldn't let us pass. But in that case it was pretty easy to get my or some else's parent to pay for the tickets and they would let us pass. The only time that didn't work for me is when a group of us tried to enter Porky's 2. They wouldn't let us in under any condition due to the well hyped sexual content of the first film, but they allowed us into the cinema next door to watch The Entity.
     
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    I admit to liking Saw 2..this installment seemed less "torture-porn",more survival-of-the-fittest,what with the larger, diverse group of characters.I also enjoyed Amanda's(Shawnee Smith) involvement,and the amped-up level of gore that would have existed in the first shitty film,had the budget allowed it.With the "one every few minutes" approach the flick chose,playing on the truth that everyone's body chemistry(and immunity) are different,there was almost a body count feel to the proceedings,even without the hulking masked stalker we want to see doing the cast-trimming.Not a perfect piece of film-making by any stretch,but gratuity is always appreciated on my end,and in my opinion,that was more than present.
     
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    I hated Valentine when I first saw it. But it grew up on me same goes for Urban Legend.
     
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    Valentine deserves to be re-visited with an unrated SE DVD.Cast retrospectives on the making/fan reaction would be nice.You listening,Warner Bros?
     
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    Do you know if there are any plans to release Valentine (2001) soon in Blu-Ray format? For what I know, there's an HD version already somewhere out there for TV.
     
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    An unrated Blu-ray release would be awesome
     
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    You mean for skin or gore?
     
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    Owned by Warner, so Unrated is not going to happen.

    They didn't even keep the DVD in print, so I imagine the only way we'll see a blu-ray is through Warner Archive unfortunately.
     

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