Which Grindhouse entry is the best?

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Which GRINDHOUSE entry is the best?

Poll closed May 7, 2007.
  1. Rodriguez's PLANET TERROR

    28 vote(s)
    58.3%
  2. Tarantino's DEATH PROOF

    20 vote(s)
    41.7%
  1. rhett

    rhett Administrator

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    Okay, so now that you've seen 'em, which is your favorite: Rodriguez's PLANET TERROR or Tarantino's DEATH PROOF.
     
  2. Semerrill

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    Death proof all the way
     
  3. DeathDealer

    DeathDealer I Inhale Horror

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    Planet Terror no doubt.

    Death Proof is easily Tarantino's weakest film.
     
  4. allmessedup

    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    PLANET TERROR---DEATH PROOF started out good but the last half just totally fell apart. I agree, probably the worst thing he's done.
     
  5. reddye5

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    PT = yay!
    DP = booo!
     
  6. onebyone

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    Planet Terror rocked my world, and Death Proof had me looking at my watch. It's by far my least favorite QT project. Disappointing.
     
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  7. MorallySound

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    Death Proof.
     
  8. Noto

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    I had amazing fun with both. Death Proof was by far my favorite, and truly echoed the GH vibe to me.
     
  9. geeare

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    While PT was the most entertaining to watch I still found DP to be classik Tarrantino. Cheers to both but PT gets my vote.

    Actually the trailers were probably the best past of the whole experience.
     
  10. shape22

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    I wasn't bowled over by either one. But I enjoyed Planet Terror much more. It zipped along and overflowed with the spirit of the old B movies that inspired it. Death Proof had some good moments. But the pace was glacial and the few great scenes weren't worth slogging the interminable wait. Watching it I couldn't help thinking how much I usually love to hear QTs characters talk. Not this time. For lack of a better term (and intending no offense to anyone), these characters endlessly spout generic, self-absorbed, mindless chick banter that didn't captivate me in the least. What a bummer. To me this was the least Tarantino-like of all his films. And the pace was totally inappropriate for a "grindhouse" film. Just my opinion of course.
     
  11. zompirejoe

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    liked them both a lot, but it is Death Proof for me. the trailers were my favorite part of the whole production though.
     
  12. Number Six

    Number Six I am not a number...

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    I went with Planet Terror. Not that I at all disliked Tarantino's effort. I just had more fun watching PT. Had I been in charge, DP would have run first, and it definitely would've had more old print damage. Except for the one "missing reel" gag, which was in the most predictable spot ever, and the "live" sound usage in the car ride toward to beginning, it felt like a brand-spanking-new movie. Few scratches, no missing frames to cut up the scenes, no discolorations. It all felt too...polished...for a grindhouse movie. Even if RR's half wasn't 100% honest in its choice of genre, it was a hell of a lot more honest to the overall viewing experience.
     
  13. Noto

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    Give me a copy of Wizard of OZ. I'll scratch up the print real nicely for you and strip it of a reel and add some frame pops. Would it be a Grindhouse film then?

    I think it's silly to complain about a lack of a gimmick in one movie versus another. The whole reason to adding these devices is in homage to how a bumped around print would look. It doesn't mean that they were all that these theatres would show, and certainly not how all prints looked. I'm not going to condemn Death Proof for not having scratches. Especially since, if you went out and purchased a damaged film, you would find that most of the print scratches are usually at the beginning and end of the film.

    Again, I don't hold it against Planet Terror for including them. It's fun, but it isn't necessary either. The scratches don't "get me in the mood" for Grindhouse.
     
  14. Kolpitz

    Kolpitz Purely and Simply Evil

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    If I have to choose, it's Death Proof for me.

    Planet Terror was a really fun splatter flick that reminded me of old John Carpenter meets old Peter Jackson. It certainly looked like a grindhouse movie with all the print damage but in the end it felt like a tribute film, not a genuine grindhouse film, along the lines of Cabin Fever or Slither. Like those two films, PT was a love letter to a by-gone era of filmmaking but it still felt like a movie made today. Grindhouse films were made on shoestring budgets and they never would've been able to afford PT's cast or its unrelenting stunts / action or it's top notch gore. And, they certainly couldn't have afforded quality digital effects (and, yes, I understand that they didn't exist back then). That being said, this film was still a blast and a half. The gore was inventive and the characters were all really interesting and quirky. I loved every second of it.

    On the other hand, you have Death Proof. The biggest difference between PT and DP that you notice almost instantly is that Tarantino's effort is obviously shot on glorious 35mm. It's grainy and already looks like a movie shot in the 70's, even before Tarantino's minimal use of print damage effects. If the film weren't obviously set in modern times (use of cell phones), with modern actors, you'd be hard-pressed to know it was a modern film, in my opinion. Tarantino doesn't use a lot of damage effects because, frankly, he doesn't need them. His movie already looks like a grindhouse film and, even better, it also feels like one. Rodriguez used more of these effects to hide the fact that his film is too slick looking. Still, Tarantino's dialogue (I disagree with the naysayers on this one) and his camerwork are also a bit out of grindhouse films' league but not as much as Rodriguez's. I was enthralled from beginning to end. I've been listening to the soundtrack nonstop the past two days and I'm on a 70's car chase craze. I'm all about Vanishing Point and the original Gone in 60 Seconds right now.

    However, in the end, Grindhouse isn't two separate films thrown together. It's a double feature that was always meant to be a double feature. I feel that the two films compliment each other perfectly. The fact that they're so different but somewhat similar at the same time is what makes the film work so amazingly. Two lesser filmmakers probably would've slapped together two films that were virtual carbon copies of each other. Rodriguez and Tarantino are too good for this and they know how to make a great double feature. The final touch of the trailers makes the greatest single film "experience" I've had in many a year.

    PT is a great tribute to exploitation films. DP is a great exploitation film.
     
  15. Number Six

    Number Six I am not a number...

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    But this was an era of film distribution where not many prints were struck, varying from a handful to a few handful. I'm willing to bet that of the patrons who saw these movies on 42nd Street or southern drive-ins or wherever (back in the day, of course), not many actually got to see pristine elements. I'd wager most people saw beat up, sorry looking, worn out prints that were a good 10-15 sec. shorter than intended due to a) projectionists stealing a few frames of the good bits for their collections, b) genuine print damage thanks to some form of technical issue (be it brain-wrap [if using platters], projector head malfunction, etc.), or c) mishandling of the film in general. And don't even get me started on the failed reproduction of delay between the missing frames of video and the optical/magnetic (as, obviously, theaters didn't have the digital option back then) audio track. Even RR failed at this. I point it out only to show that his presentation wasn't perfect either.

    Also, I think it's silly to say that I'm "silly" for having an opinion. Next time, I'll run it past you via PM before posting. :p

    Fixed. :D

    That's why I said I "had more fun watching PT." Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  16. mcchrist

    mcchrist A new breed of pervert!

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    My problem with it is that PT looks like a mega-million dollar film that's been crapped up. Face it, if a movie like that were made, it would have had studio backing and the prints would not have been as fucked up. Just like with, say, Escape From NY, we would have had nice looking copies all the way back to VHS, Beta, Laservision days. I didn't buy it, it looked contrived and felt contrived.

    Anyway, I'm not one to praise Tarantino, but Death Proof is fantastic. It definitely felt like 70's American Art Cinema that was invading Hollywood, and ipso-facto, the grindhouses at the time.
     
  17. Noto

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    And many people did see them when it looked good. (Well, as pristine as projection could be handled in the era.) Not every film was ran to the point of being crap. A good majority of them weren't even run for more than a week. Don't get me wrong, I get what your saying, but I think it's silly for that being the reason to condemn the film. Scratches shouldn't have anything to do with the enjoyment of the film. Hell, there's already some talk that they might be removed entirely on the DVD(s). It's pretty well known that the "missing" reels will be placed back in (the lapdance was used in the trailer). So for a presentation that's supposed to be varied (not every print across the country would have the same scratches in a real grindhouse film) Why would you want to base judgment on a film based upon how scratched up it was?

    Please do. I'm more than happy to help people out. It's what I do.

    You said quite a bit more than that. And remember, Number Six, "A still tongue makes a happy life." :D
     
  18. shithead

    shithead Death By Ejaculation

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    Planet Terror, Tarantino's was good though.
     
  19. RyanPC

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    Death Proof did have quite a few amazing moments, but it was far too talky and dragged way too much in the middle, and that sort of brought down the whole movie a bit. Planet Terror was absolutely perfect in my eyes. Hell, the main credits alone were worth the price of admission!

    Naw... the worst he's done is "The Man From Hollywood", his segment in Four Rooms. That was just fucking AWFUL and, surprisingly, the worst segment in a movie that I otherwise didn't think was so bad.
     
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  20. Wez4555

    Wez4555 Happy Trees Motherfucker!

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    i voted for planet terror because I'm a whore for good zombie movies. death proof wasn't too shabby either.
     

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