***MERGED - Day of the Dead DVD review [Archive]

Trout

07-22-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
I've watched Day many times and I'll probably notice the changes easily. In one review they changed Sarah's words when watching Bub eating bodyparts.

With my faves, I hate changes. Still not used to the new ROTLD.

Day is great the way it was. Why did AB do this?

After reading the review it soumds like they used part of the Japanese LD for some of the audio track. I'm glad AB is releasing this film, but it would have been nice for them to use the actual audio track. AB has got a ba habit of doing things like this. I love 'em, but come on guys...

Wez4555

07-22-2003, 02:28 AM

i still cant wait! i havent seen this movie since before i got a dvd player (over 5 years ago). i wish it would come out already.

Pukenstein

07-23-2003, 05:03 AM

Is the gore edited too? I read this on a board, forgot which one. Hope it's just BS.

Cujo108

07-23-2003, 06:22 AM

Anchor Bay fucks up again!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: This is the best of the trilogy as far as I'm concerned, and one of my favorite films, and these audio changes are gonna agrivate the hell out of me! They had damn well better not fuck up THE HILLS HAVE EYES too!

hell ya!

07-23-2003, 06:34 AM

I don't really care too much about the audio changes(its only 3-4 little instances) and it won't stop me from buying this release.

Midnight Buddha

07-23-2003, 11:29 AM

What`s all this Audio changes carry on?

Did i miss some info on this?:eek1:

Mortis

07-23-2003, 12:30 PM

"The one flaw (and here's where I reveal, if I haven't already, just how much of a dork I am-- these things will not even register on the ears of the casual viewer) in this presentation's audio comes in the form of three or four instances in which dubs from the aforementioned Japanese laserdisc can be heard. Knowing nothing of the details of this disc's production, I can only guess that the Japanese print was used for some of this transfer, and a few odds and ends of that disc's laugh-a-minute soundtrack found their way onto this DVD. No biggie."

http://www.thewebofhorror.com/dayreview.html

"You have your choice of Dolby DTS-ES or Dolby EX 6.1 Surround. Echo to the cast’s voices have been restored for an even more claustrophobic, larger than life experience. The dialogue is different in at least two spots, from a source tape used on the Producer's Cut released by JVD Japan. John says before they descend down the elevator: "Right..I could do this even if all this wasn't going on..." and Sarah turns from Bub in the lab - "I can't look..it can't be-""

http://members.tripod.com/drlogan/updates.htm

Pukenstein

07-23-2003, 02:57 PM

Right..I could do this even if all this wasn't going on..." and Sarah turns from Bub in the lab - "I can't look..it can't be-""

I think it originally was:

Shit..I could do this...

Oh Jesus..it can't be

Fart Lighter

07-23-2003, 08:43 PM

ADMIN EDIT - DO NOT MENTION THAT SITE HERE PLEASE

IF you complain now to horror@anchorbayentertainment.com we may all create enough pressure to make them postpone the disk to fix the problems...

I will not be buying this unless it's fixed. I'm sick of Anchor Bay screw-ups. Sticking it in a fucking Digi-pack doesn't exactly help win me over either. What are they thinking?! The tossers!

Atmims

07-23-2003, 10:25 PM

well, as long as none of Rhode's lines are dubbed over I won't be too dissapointed. It really doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me.

Dave

07-23-2003, 10:46 PM

I'm not a perfection on these sort of problems, but you've got to wonder why these mistakes keep slipping through at Anchor Bay.

Why aren't they just including the original soundtrack as well? Mono and stereo tracks take up very little space on a disc. Companies are too obsessed with slapping DTS, ES-EX, and all that other bullshit onto the DVD.

Grim

07-24-2003, 12:07 AM

I'm not happy with these changes, but in no way is something as small as this going to prevent me from buying this. If I want to hear that four or five seconds of changed dialogue in its unaltered form I'll just pop in my VHS tape.

ekent

07-24-2003, 02:36 AM

sounds incredibly minor, but I'd probably be leading the rant if this were one of my favorites (like ReturnOTLD's unforgivable edits and changes)

jscott

07-24-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Dave
Why aren't they just including the original soundtrack as well?

Maybe there's something wrong with the original dialogue track. Or maybe AB's just fucking up, again .

Fart Lighter

07-26-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Fart Lighter
ADMIN EDIT - DO NOT MENTION THAT SITE HERE PLEASE

Er....Why not? I don't get it. Is there some kind of fued between there and here?

Originally posted by Dave
but you've got to wonder why these mistakes keep slipping through at Anchor Bay.

I don;t wonder at all. It's becuase they're incompetent idiots. Always have been, but people keep letting them off time after time. If it's not cut 'uncut' versions or bits in foreign languages when English was available, it's something else like this. They just don't pay proper attention to what they're doing. There's enough prints of this film around to ensure availability of the correct soundtrack.

Really; Don't buy this! If we protest they will be forced to do something about it, and make sure that you paste this news across other forums too!

Otherwise they'll be a fixed version out next year, it'll be 'Manhunter' all over again!

Pukenstein

07-28-2003, 01:26 AM

Yeah, this will probably be fixed. Just a question of when. Sooner the better.

thrashard76

07-28-2003, 08:12 AM

This is not what I wanted to hear this late in the game. Surely AB will fuck us out of another updated version of this later next year.

dwatts

07-28-2003, 08:23 AM

-- Is there some kind of fued between there and here? --

Nope, but that site sucks, and it's depressing for us to have to read it. Have mercy man :)

Fart Lighter

07-29-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by thrashard76
Surely AB will fuck us out of another updated version of this later next year.

That's the theory. Let's play conspiracy theory here for a moment and think about it.
AB put out a buggered up version knowingly, knowing that something like 80% of the fans who wereg oing to buy it will let them off the hook yet again, and buy it anyway. SO they loose 20% of of posssible fan sales.
Once the sales dry up, AB dig out their correct version and package it up as a new release, knowing that the said 80% who purchased it already will re-buy it along with those who waited for a correct version. (Basically this is what happened with MANHUNTER)
So instead of getting 100% sales first time, they get 180% sales. More if you consider the first OOP version.

(That's why these fucked up disks should be boycotted. They're milking us.)

Who knows, this may be exactly what they're doing. It may well be intentional. Look how many times they re-release the Evil Dead movies. If they can't get different cuts to release for something, maybe they intentionally fuck up to make different versions to re-sell at a later date.

In a sensible world, I'd say this was a load of nonsense, but after all the endless agro from AB, I really wouldn't be surprised if this is what's actually happening. Especially if they don;t withdraw and fix this current DOTD.:confused:

Styx

07-30-2003, 02:26 AM

I think the whole conspiracy theory is a little far fetched.

While it's true that a change in dialogue is a big disappointment if the overall DVD is as good as this other site says the positive would seem to outweigh the negative in this case.

I'm looking forward to this DVD and this audio issue hasn't changed my feelings.

Nemesis

07-30-2003, 02:51 AM

Im not a big fan of conspiracy theories in general... im of the thought that people are just too gossipy.. conspiracies are just too hard to cover up and we'd of heard about it by now

Dave

07-30-2003, 06:01 PM

I haven't decided 100% whether I'll pick Day up or not. I love the movie, but I have the Elite laser and I am disappointed by the problems this disc has. However, the 16x9 enhancement, along with the nice extras, are probably going to be too much for me to pass up.

I'll definitely be picking up Halloween: 25. I sold the LE ages ago simply because I had the Criterion laser and at the time I didn't have 16x9 display, so the AB disc wasn't worth holding onto considering I could, and ultimately did, sell it for like $100. So this new disc is a given - the old disc already paid for this new one!

I am getting a lot more picky with these reissues. I bought Elite's Evil Dead SE DVD when it was first released and never had the desire to pick up AB's 16x9 disc. The book of the dead packaging is cool but it ultimately wasn't enough to get me to purchase the set. And I personally think the 16x9 ratio is pure bullshit. Rami was bigtime involved with Elite on Evil Dead 2 and Evil Dead SEs, so if he wanted the disc to be presented in 1.85:1, it would have been. Whatever...

Reissues themselves I don't mind too much, because I'm the one to ultimately decide whether it's worth a repurchase or not. I still have the original X-Men DVD and I'm quite happy with it. No X-Men 1.5 for me. I will absolutely get the Alien box set, because I sold my set ages ago and currently I have only Aliens on DVD (I have Resurrection DTS LD and Aliens theatrical cut LD, though).

Pukenstein

07-30-2003, 11:42 PM

Review from Fangoria (http://www.fangoria.com/ghastly_review.php)

...This works very well, but what's most curious about this release is that, as has been reported elsewhere, there are a few moments where some of the original looped dialogue is replaced by alternate takes (from, I believe, the film's ridiculous TV cut). Please keep in mind that this only occurs a scant few times and involves maybe six or seven lines, but if you really know the film well, you will notice them.
....

It went from 4....to 6 or 7. When real diehard fans watch it, may be 10+.

Pukenstein

08-03-2003, 08:33 PM

Any new info from AB on this? I know the hot topic is the more important Halloween problem.....and rightly so. Just wondering.

Grim

08-03-2003, 08:38 PM

AB's site is down, this just isn't their month.

Pukenstein

08-04-2003, 04:41 AM

Still down, probably from all the hate mail....

:lol::lol:

Fart Lighter

08-05-2003, 02:01 AM

...Which is much deserved in my eyes. :fire: Anchor Bay idiots.

dmeister

08-06-2003, 08:55 AM

I read this in a DVDFile.com forum regarding the forthcoming Day of the Dead DVD:

Well, to go along with the kickass, restored video, the best Day of the Dead has ever looked, Anchor Bay has provided the censored TV dub of the movie in DD5.1/DTS5.1! Yes, people on the screen look like they are saying 'shit' and you will hear 'shucks' or something to that effect, approximately 5-10 times throughout the flick. Not the biggest problem in the world, but it's too bad Anchor Bay didn't throw on the original mono soundtrack that the first Day of the Dead DVD had - it might not have been as impressive as the 5.1 mix, but at least its the original uncensored track instead of a TV dub. And if it did had that track, it would be the definitive version of the film. Now collectors are stuck to decide - poor video quality + accurate sound, or great video quality + TV dub

PhoneStud

08-06-2003, 10:12 AM

I heard this before from a friend in the company , It's really bad ...

hell ya!

08-06-2003, 10:26 AM

http://www.horrordvds.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13726

Nemesis

08-06-2003, 11:09 AM

fucken hell!! i thought the audio issue was with 1 or 2 lines in the film.. i didnt realise theyd censored all the swear words.. thats bullshit... i should go and change my vote on that poll from "mixed feelings" to "i hate anchor bay"

Crystal Plumage

08-06-2003, 01:11 PM

My Dutch Day disc has all the fucks and shits still intact.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 01:52 PM

So the regular track is censored?

I want to make sure I understand before I get really pissed.

Atmims

08-06-2003, 02:03 PM

This really is terrible news. I also thought it was just 1 or 2 minor changes. Hasn't anyone at Anchorbay even seen the movie!? How could this slip by.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 02:05 PM

Let's just fuck up one of the movies people have been waiting a long time for. Yeah!

BAA!

zombi3

08-06-2003, 02:53 PM

So how bad is it? Everyone who's seen and reviewed the disc says it's not that big a deal, but it seems that many people reading these reviews (myself included) find it difficult to get past this problem. All the reviews I've read so far have given it high marks overall, so I'll end up getting it anyway. But now I won't be able to watch the film and enjoy it because the whole time I'm gonna be listening for audio goofs.:mad:

Pukenstein

08-06-2003, 03:12 PM

So now 5-10 shits to shucks adding to "Trapped" and "Oh Jesus". We need fans who know the movie by heart to review it to get a better idea.

Why no response from AB yet? Anyone who emailed get an answer back?

Wez4555

08-06-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mayo
I wish they would just sell their rights for Dawn and Day so a competent company can fucking release them. like blue underground?

BFMF_97

08-06-2003, 05:33 PM

Well "shucks"! I don't think I'll be picking this up anytime soon. Sadly I've been waiting for it to come out on DVD (in R1) forever, now I guess I'll have to wait another X amount of years or so for a good version to come out. That is, unless, there is an equal R2 (or other) version out there that someone might enlighten me to.

Dave

08-06-2003, 05:41 PM

Holy shit. This is too much.

I'm glad I still have my Elite laserdisc. Things liked this never happened when Elite was the leader in horror laserdiscs.

For me it boils down to this: Do I buy the release for extras only? That's all I'd be getting it for. Is a commentary track and all the other various extras worth it? I'm still deciding myself.

Dave

08-06-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by zombi3
So how bad is it? Everyone who's seen and reviewed the disc says it's not that big a deal, but it seems that many people reading these reviews (myself included) find it difficult to get past this problem. All the reviews I've read so far have given it high marks overall, so I'll end up getting it anyway. But now I won't be able to watch the film and enjoy it because the whole time I'm gonna be listening for audio goofs.:mad:

You need to make sure you go to a site that doesn't kiss Anchor Bay's ass. I.E. This one or someone like DVD File.

I'm a little more willing to accept color problems with Halloween than a TV soundtrack for Day of the Dead. The color problems with Halloween vary, and often times they are still fairly accurate. But having these audio problems is unacceptable, IMO.

Grim

08-06-2003, 05:49 PM

This is rediculous, I thought it was only like four seconds or something, not the whole damn movie. Anchor Bay was doing great like three years then all of the sudden they started this downward trend.:mad: So since Bill Lustig left, does Blue Underground have all of the Argento titles?

big john 33

08-06-2003, 06:17 PM

so the shit shift concerns the whole movie or only 5 or 6 words according the reviews!!

Mortis

08-06-2003, 06:27 PM

I'm glad I kept my old Day and Dawn DVDs.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 06:51 PM

Things change when you fuck up two classics this far down the road.

I don't think we have a problem being upset with a company that messes up movies that we've been waiting a long time for, no matter how many good ones they've given us in the past.

The AB ass kissers are the ones who won't say anything about how shitty the discs are, even if they're total ass.

Dave

08-06-2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mayo
Dave wrote:
Now no offense Dave, but I've always thought this site was one of the major AB ass kissers out there. Don't get me wrong, I want to be a part of the site and I thoroughly enjoy most of the reviews, but before I even started posting in the forums I always got an Anchor Bay is god vibe from the site. The majority of the readers seem to give off that vibe as well. Just look at most of the zombie award winners.

That’s just the vibe I’ve gotten. I’ve been known to be wrong in the past. :)

~ Chris

Hey, I LLLLLOVE a lot of Anchor Bay's past releases. They've given us some great stuff. They deserved the praise they got in the past. And I think that is the same mentality readers have.

I still love Anchor Bay. They are a good company but they're starting to make some pretty big mistakes. There's nothing wrong with pointing out those mistakes and bitching about it.

I didn't tear them apart in the Halloween. I reviewed the disc as was my duty for the site. Halloween is a mixed bag in regards to the transfer. It's sharp and clear, but the colors do have some problems. Major problems? I would say yes. Enough so that I prefer the 1999 DVD transfer.

Also, Zombie Awards are chosen by the readers. I have no control over who wins on that.

Cowboy

08-06-2003, 09:03 PM

Looks like I'm keeping my Dutch edition.

I'm getting worried about the Dawn release now. :nervous:
If they fuck that up I'll be really depressed.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 09:17 PM

You, me and about a billion others. :(

thrashard76

08-06-2003, 09:21 PM

I've since dropped this from my order too. This sucks but with so much other stuff coming out at the same time, its not a big loss.

Pukenstein

08-06-2003, 10:43 PM

How could they mess up Dawn?

Is there a censored audio track somewhere?

The color is pretty washed out already, like the Director's cut flipper.

With 3 versions in a set, they have to get at least one right.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 10:53 PM

I don't want any fucked up versions. I want awesome versions of all three and a bunch of cool shit.

Grim

08-06-2003, 11:23 PM

I would've been happy with them using the old print from the previous Day of the Dead DVD, I'm sure it's loads better than my VHS, plus all those great extras. But no they go and screw this up royally. If Dawn is messed up I guess i'll go to Ebay and get one of those flippers or just stick to my VHS. I think at Horrorfind I'm going to have some questions for Michael Felscher at Horrorfind.:evil:

Mortis

08-06-2003, 11:24 PM

Just get the R2 set from eBay for now. It goes for cheap.

Pukenstein

08-06-2003, 11:37 PM

Seeing Halloween get sold out at Best Buy in 1 day, I would guess most of these people are double dipping. Keep making new editions and they will buy.

I'm sure Day will do the same..shucks.

Andrew

08-06-2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
How could they mess up Dawn? I don't know, but I'm sure they'll find a way.

Atmims

08-06-2003, 11:46 PM

well, as of right now I probably won't get this. It sounds like a lot of shit is censored. ;) I'll have to check some more opinions out before I buy it.

EDIT: Anchor Bay is really starting to piss me off.

Mortis

08-06-2003, 11:47 PM

Let's show graphic gut spillage, but no cussing? :rolleyes:

bigdaddyhorse

08-06-2003, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mayo
Dave wrote:
Now no offense Dave, but I've always thought this site was one of the major AB ass kissers out there. Don't get me wrong, I want to be a part of the site and I thoroughly enjoy most of the reviews, but before I even started posting in the forums I always got an Anchor Bay is god vibe from the site. The majority of the readers seem to give off that vibe as well. Just look at most of the zombie award winners.

That’s just the vibe I’ve gotten. I’ve been known to be wrong in the past. :)

~ Chris

This site does what it's supposed to.
When AB does a great release, they get praise.
When they fuck up, it gets known!

Think of it this way, if AB only did their "kiddy" discs i see at K-Mart, and not so many great yet generally un-known horror films, we wouldn't know who the fuck they were in the first place!

I'm torn on Day. I sold my old dvd because I figured a print couldn't look much worse on dvd (maybe Scarface, but not many). I'm wishing I had kept it now. I'll probably still get the new one for all the extras, since I'm into that shit. Hopefully the old discs will be cheap on ebay (or better yet, start showing up in all the used stores for $5!!!!), and I'll grab that again for the correct audio.
This is a big deal, anyone who says different isn't a true movie fan. This shit shouldn't be happening, but I still have to give AB their props for bringing out so many great horror films that other studio's wouldn't bother with. It's not all bad, but in the case of Day, it pretty much is.

Pukenstein

08-07-2003, 12:15 AM

Hopefully the old discs will be cheap on ebay (or better yet, start showing up in all the used stores for $5!!!!), and I'll grab that again for the correct audio.

If the audio is really that bad, the old one will go up in value. Dubbing over with different voices is extremely annoying. Who wants edited crap? And we still don't know for sure if any gore was removed. I know what the reviews said, but have they watched Day 20+ times like most of us here. REAL fans should do the reviewing, like Dave's great Halloween review.

I read somewhere about gunshots being shortened also. That can only be in a few places.

--When Rhodes shoots Logan,

--Steele shoots the zombies before blasting thru the door,

--Sarah, Billy, John shoot zombies in mine with machine guns.

--2nd time getting zombies out of corral. Miguel loses zombie and the guy gets bitten and shoots other army guy.

who knows, the new DVD may end up in used stores for $5.

Meanie

08-07-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by dmeister
I read this in a DVDFile.com forum regarding the forthcoming Day of the Dead DVD:

Am I the the only one noticing that this information about this tv censored track is from a forum. For all I know this could of been written by some jerk-out fucking with us. :bs: :fire:
The DOTD review at http://www.thewebofhorror.com/dayreview.html dosen't mention anything about the curse words censored.
The reviewer says he has seen DOTD many many times, so he should been pretty able to pick up any censors words.
Yet, he was able to notice little little changes in dialogue, I think he would be able to catch the difference between 'shucks' and 'shit'.

I'm just trying to keep a level head here. I love DOTD too and I unfortunately sold my old DVD a month ago since I thought the new DVD would be the end all be all. I still have have it preorder, but I would like to see the review of it here at Horrordvds.com to see if this tv censored track is on it or not. Your reviews are the only ones I trust.:D

bigdaddyhorse

08-07-2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
If the audio is really that bad, the old one will go up in value. Dubbing over with different voices is extremely annoying. Who wants edited crap? And we still don't know for sure if any gore was removed. I know what the reviews said, but have they watched Day 20+ times like most of us here. REAL fans should do the reviewing, like Dave's great Halloween review.

I read somewhere about gunshots being shortened also. That can only be in a few places.

--When Rhodes shoots Logan,

--Steele shoots the zombies before blasting thru the door,

--Sarah, Billy, John shoot zombies in mine with machine guns.

--2nd time getting zombies out of corral. Miguel loses zombie and the guy gets bitten and shoots other army guy.

who knows, the new DVD may end up in used stores for $5.

Not many dvds that have been re-issued as Special Editions with better transfers, more extras, etc.. have held any value, but in this case you might be right (although I'm hoping for that $5 re-buy!). The only ones who are gonna sell the old one aren't gonna be the die-hards by any means, which probably will mean less chance of finding them used and cheap, but with Platoon and Terminator to name 2, the old discs are cheap coasters nowadays! I never would've sold mine had I known this shit was gonna happen. Wonder what the comm. will be like, I.E. if they were watching this fucked up audio or the old transfer while recording it.
I know 3 discs right off that have fucked up or edited commentary.
Scream (from the un-cut laserdisc, talking about shit that isn't there)
Natural Born Killers (WB R cut, same comm. from the un-rated ld and dvd, edited somewhat, but still talking about shit that isn't there)
Halloween 3 (R2, talking about Dean Cundey's mastery of the 2.35 panaglide on a 1.78 print on the dvd!)
Then there's ROTLD3 (which I haven't heard, but heard all about), which is the oppisite with the effects guy screaming about the cut version.

Andrew

08-07-2003, 01:16 AM

I just bid on one at $5.50 (an old copy)...shit, I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. Oh well.

bigdaddyhorse

08-07-2003, 01:27 AM

I'm off to swipe it from you!:D :D :D
J/K, don't go raising your bid too high, I'm waiting for the used outlets to get em (amazing how easy it is to find those old Platoon and Terminator discs at those now!)
Even if I get it for $6 off ebay, it'll almost double with shipping!

Andrew

08-07-2003, 03:29 AM

Yeah actually right after I bid I felt bad, because I really don't need it. Hopefully I'll get outbid. I thought the exact same with shipping, that's why I'm kinda eh. Everyone: FEEL FREE TO OUTBID ME.

Pukenstein

08-07-2003, 03:47 AM

Old ones are still ending at $15-20. I doubt it would see $5. Only real garbage DVDs go that low. For the behinds the scenes with those fat biker ladies showing the Dead newspaper, it's worth having. The closest thing I have to a used DVD store is Blockbuster. Too many Best Buys and Circuit Citys around me. Most of the Mom and Pop stores closed down.

zombi3

08-07-2003, 04:18 AM

Someone posted this over at Sex Gore Mutants:

Hi. Just finnished watching DotD. I played the disc in DTS and i didnt find the wrong audio bits a problem. I must be getting old or losing my hearing as i didnt even notice where they occur in the film. The image quality is fantastic as well as the extras. I wasnt going to buy this because of the stated audio problems but i'm glad i did as its still an excellent disc.

So maybe this screw-up won't be too distracting. Still, I find it kind of tacky that AB has not yet even acknowledged the problem.

bigdaddyhorse

08-07-2003, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
Old ones are still ending at $15-20. I doubt it would see $5. Only real garbage DVDs go that low. For the behinds the scenes with those fat biker ladies showing the Dead newspaper, it's worth having. The closest thing I have to a used DVD store is Blockbuster. Too many Best Buys and Circuit Citys around me. Most of the Mom and Pop stores closed down.

That sucks. The best one around here just shut down, but there are 6 or 7 more in town, and if I take a half-hour drive, there's about a dozen more (although one sells the good shit on ebay himself, so I don't need to go back).
The FYE in the mall just started doing used discs about a month or 2 ago, so far I've found 3 copies of Flash Gordon there, 2 sealed for $6! I just got another used one from them for $12, and it's up to $35 on ebay. People around here have no idea what they have, but many don't know how to take care of their discs either. I found a copy of Aliens at Game Stop, but it looked like someone tryed cleaning it with sandpaper so I passed.
Got Ultimate Jordan at the other GS for $15, cover's a bit banged, but the discs look new.
Check those FYE's if you have em near you, I doubt just the one here is doing used discs. Also, every video game store has used discs, but most are crap or crackhead versions stolen from Hollywood or BB with no covers.

Pukenstein

08-07-2003, 04:40 AM

Hope you're right, should be ok for casual viewers no matter what. But real diehard fans of Day will probably notice the changes. I don't know. Release only 2 weeks, and Best Buy could jump street date. We'll see....

bigdaddyhorse

08-07-2003, 04:51 AM

BB here hasn't jumped street in a long time, I wonder if they got shit fro doing frequently in the past. I could almost guarantee getting AB discs a week or 2 early.
I'm pretty sure i will be grabbing the new one, then I'll see how many old ones start popping up. If it's like Terminator, I'll have acess to a bunch for trade if anybody else wants it. Of course i'll let you all know.

Atmims

08-07-2003, 05:05 AM

I think I might still get it after this latest review. At least just to decide for myself. I'm a big fan of Day and have seen it around 6 or 7 times so I'll probably notice the fuck ups.

Pukenstein

08-07-2003, 05:35 AM

Well.. Terminator(or do you mean T2?, that had 2 prior versions) was done right. Included both soundtracks, no problems. Day..who knows.

JW77

08-07-2003, 07:57 AM

What really burns my ass about the whole affair is that isn't like this is some kind of rush job. They've apparently been working on this for years. What kind of bullshit is this? Can you imagine if Miramax had put out their Pulp Fiction SE with a censored TV dub?

This is such bullshit. Can you imagine watching your buddy get ripped apart by zombies, his guts everywhere, and you just watch and say "shucks?"

At this point, I really don't know what to think. I definitely want to read some reviews from obsessive horror fans before I buy this.

And I pity the Anchor Bay rep who does the next live chat.

Mortis

08-07-2003, 02:56 PM

I think Felsher does them all.

I may e-mail him to find some shit out.

ekent

08-07-2003, 03:22 PM

I definitely want to read some reviews from obsessive horror fans before I buy this

FYI, the original review that I posted in this thread is from the guy who used to run (the now shut down) the official George A Romero website so you could say that he is obsessive, to say the least.

marcx

08-07-2003, 03:55 PM

THis may be a case of snowballing...

In that original review it says that ...

"The one flaw (and here's where I reveal, if I haven't already, just how much of a dork I am-- these things will not even register on the ears of the casual viewer) in this presentation's audio comes in the form of three or four instances in which dubs from the aforementioned Japanese laserdisc can be heard. Knowing nothing of the details of this disc's production, I can only guess that the Japanese print was used for some of this transfer, and a few odds and ends of that disc's laugh-a-minute soundtrack found their way onto this DVD. No biggie."

This guy knows the film well, as Ekent said--I think if every curse was altered he'd be a little more upset. while Id like to think we shouldnt have any changes, the relatively few described in the review combined with the excellent transfer sounds encouraging to me...

Im looking forward to this one and a dead marathon!!! i've got the imported dawn set...

NickyDoyle

08-07-2003, 05:57 PM

Well, lets ask this another way: Are there any swears left on the new disk?

Nate Thompson (who should also know his stuff) said the dialogue alteration was minimal as well. What it comes down to is, until we actually see a copy of the new print, we just don't know for sure what's gone.

Just my two pennies rubbed together. :p

shift

08-07-2003, 06:24 PM

Is this movie suppose to be out yet?? B/c I saw it yesterday at my local CC.

Mortis

08-07-2003, 06:38 PM

It's supposed to come out on the 19th.

That's pretty early if you already saw it out.

Latency

08-07-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by shift
Is this movie suppose to be out yet?? B/c I saw it yesterday at my local CC.

Whoa ??? You sure you didn't just see the packaging ???? I know some places have the packaging on display just for a tease :).

Pukenstein

08-07-2003, 09:18 PM

Really? I'll check my CC.

Werner Von Wallenrod

08-07-2003, 11:57 PM

Yeah, Diabolik got it the other day, too.

Pukenstein

08-08-2003, 03:33 AM

Well, my CC didn't have it. Could be sightings next week. Over at the Joblo horror forums, they don't know about the audio errors, at the threads I read.

Mortis

08-08-2003, 04:44 AM

Sucks to be them. :D

Maupin

08-08-2003, 08:43 AM

If the sound is censored in any way, I'll pass on this DVD. I've got my old VHS and can hold onto it until another, correct Day of the Dead DVD with even more features, etc. comes out in a few years - and I suspect all my friends will do the same. I'm only glad I heard about this before purchasing, unlike Suspiria which I ended up giving away.

I'm curious why Anchor Bay hasn't said anything about this yet.

"Bang! You're dead!" <laughter>

Pukenstein

08-10-2003, 03:16 PM

Another review (http://www.fangoria.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22196)

I edited a few things out, like list of DVD extras, etc. Pretty good review, but no mention of the audio flubs.

...Lemme just say that this set, from what I've seen so far, is incredible. I peeked most Disc 2(though the feature itself--and the main commentary track--are on my To-Do List for later tonight) and it's friggin' chock-full and filled to the brim with sweetness.

From what I've seen of the feature itself . . . the movie has NEVER looked better! It's uncanny how ridiculous this set is. It was mastered from the original negative and it shows. Seriously, remember how murky and just generally sh*tty the print appears on the old VHS copies from Media & Anchor Bay as well as the previous R1 DVD edition? Well throw all that sh*t out(or keep it for prosperity if yer a die-hard collector ) coz the new transfer is stunning. It reminds me of the first time I saw how Anchor Bay had cleaned up Dawn of the Dead(compared to the old Thorn/EMI & Republic Pictures VHS copies I have; which were very dark and murky in spots). It's THAT GREAT!

The documentary is PHENOMINAL!! Most of the story behind the movie--and the original first draft--is known by the "trolls" who love Day of the Dead, so I won't bore you with that stuff. The cool part about the documentary was seeing what the folks look like now. Lori Cardille looks great! Heheh, Cletus Anderson looks incredibly different from his cameo appearence in Creepshow--he looks like Stan Winston now! Pilato looks great, if not a little bigger than when he appeared at the Manhattan WOH's in '98. Romero looks like, well, Romero. And Chris looks great, too, being that I haven't seen her on-camera in a recent interview or Romero project in quite some time. The crowning bit for me, though, was seeing Howard Sherman talk about his performance as Bub. For me, it's kinda trippy to see this very laid-back and educated guy now and then look at footage of him as Bub. Mind-boggling. Another cool moment is when Savini and Nicotero are talking about the masks that were made for the background zombies . . . and they mention the guy who made 'em, Terry Prince. It's cool coz I used to know Terry through a mutual friend who owned a mail-order Horror collectibles/video business called Classic Horrors which was based out of Michigan. I saw Terry a couple times at Chiller Theatre cons but he's since disappeared. Anyway, that part was cool.

The trailers were cool. And there's a friggin' TON of photos to sift through . . . I glanced through a couple of the galleries, but I have a feeling it's gonna take awhile to peek at all that sh*t.

Oh yeah, and the little insert booklet that's designed to resemble Logan's notebook . . . priceless. A really novel idea for this set. Though, it looks like it might be a little flimsy in terms of coming apart in time . . . so treat it well.

All in all, so far . . . this set is INCREDIBLE!...

Mortis

08-10-2003, 06:57 PM

Nice review, but I'm waiting for someone here who can review it and give us a side by side comparison.

ekent

08-10-2003, 07:39 PM

there are a few side by side comparison's here
http://www.homepageofthedead.com/baps/daydvd.html

Grim

08-10-2003, 08:05 PM

Ah screw it I'm getting this, that is loads better than the old one.

Pukenstein

08-10-2003, 08:29 PM

Wow, what a big difference. I'm getting the new one. It looks so much better and has loads of extras. A few audio changes may not be a big deal after all.
I'll keep the old crappy one around for the behind the scenes stuff.

Thanks for those pics.

Awesome...

That first zombie pic and the cave with thoe carts. The old DVD looks like a lousy VHS copy.

Atmims

08-10-2003, 08:41 PM

shit, I'm getting it too! If you look at the bottom of each image there is slightly more picture on the newer DVD also slight more on the right side too. example the one with logan you can see the mess kit and the whole cup.

Mortis

08-11-2003, 05:07 PM

Is there any swearing?

Agentsusp

08-11-2003, 08:39 PM

I just bought this at Best buy for $16.99.

Packaging looks pretty amazing, I dig the Logan's notebook style liner notes

watching this after work tonight

Pukenstein

08-11-2003, 11:39 PM

OK, I got it at Best Buy for $19.99, not $16.99 darn. I watched it, I'll go thru the changes, then the transfer. I watched the old DVD 2 days ago and saw this movie more times than I'd want to admit to.

I count 6 changes. The first 2 make no sense as the line is not changed, but sounds different.

1) They get off the helicopter back at the base. John says, "This is bullshit what were doing here, it's crazy" Well "It's crazy" is in a different voice. Don't know why that is. I noticed it.

2) After Miguel gets his arm chopped off Steele says, "It's the Spic, it's his fault this happened, it's his yellow fuc*in fault." "It's the Spic" sounds different. Could be another voice. Comparing to the old DVD it's changed.

3) Shit, I could do this even if all this wasn't goin on. -is now "Right, I could do...

4) Miguel gets his arm bit by the zombie, Steele comes over and kicks the zombie and shoots it in the head. An abbreviated gunshot here, about 1/2 gone.

5) Oh Jesus it can't be. Now.. I can't look, it can't be

6) Miguel takes the elevator up and Steele runs in and say's Jesus. changed to "Stuck".

Something else sounds off. When Steele is bashing the door screaming Rhodes. The punchs on the door sound a little different. Checking the old DVD, may be inconclusive.

Also when John is in the helicopter telling him, "Listen you can hear them over the engine" Seems a tad off, could be with the new soundtrack. Checked the old DVD, again undecided.

The voices "may" have more echo in the cave. Like when Steele is screaming for the "dumbfucks" zombies in the beginning.

I'm probably being too critical about some of these, just stuff I noticed.

Now the transfer....It's amazing. Like seeing Day for the first time. Just awesome. When the shovel goes into the zombies head, you can see the blood squirting out. When Sarah is in the lab, it is so well lit with Bub behind her. I could go on and on. Worth getting just for the upgrade.

I hate the packaging. Too fragile. Put the DVDs in another case. Bubs head has velcro that you pull to open the package.

Atmims

08-12-2003, 12:49 AM

Thanks Puke! Really sounds great, just minor changes as I first figured. I regret getting a little panicky now. ;) I'm gonna try and snag this this weekend!

Pukenstein

08-12-2003, 01:20 AM

Yeah, it's a must buy. It looks so much better. Nothing to get excited over, I don't know who started this "shucks" stuff. Just those little changes, no gore or profanity is edited out.

One thing, the credits don't seem clear in the beginning as the helicopter is landing to look for survivors. Not important.

And those screenshots posted may be wrong. On my 27" Wega, in squeeze mode, I get no extra stuff on the left and right sides. It showed more of Logan's coffee mug. I don't have that. Probably the TV and DVD player.

Watched the 1st documentary, great stuff.

hell ya!

08-12-2003, 01:48 AM

Can't wait!:banana:

betterdan

08-12-2003, 04:25 AM

What about the behind the scenes featurette on the old dvd? Is it on the new dvd also?

Mortis

08-12-2003, 04:46 AM

It's not supposed to be.

Pukenstein

08-12-2003, 05:19 AM

Watched it a 2nd time. Paying more attention to the transfer and sound. The 6 changes I found are confirmed.

The new soundtrack is kinda weak. Mostly center, some fronts, and very little rears and sub.

It's sharper and darkened areas have been brightened. Grain and the flashing are almost gone.
But I think the old DVD has more color. Probably not as bad as Halloween.

jscott

08-12-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
The new soundtrack is kinda weak. Mostly center, some fronts, and very little rears and sub.

Which audio track did you listen to, the DTS, the Dolby Digital EX, or the 2.0 Dolby Surround?

Pukenstein

08-12-2003, 07:31 PM

The DTS and DDEX are about the same. Not bad. Just not as good as some may think. Don't expect Blade 2.

marcx

08-12-2003, 08:05 PM

Just saw this on the shelf at virgin megastore in times square. but I wasn't about to pay 29.99!!! I wish the BB near me would jump street dates--they never seem to do it.....:cry:

Mark Relford

08-12-2003, 11:46 PM

My BB actually jumped the street date for once! Can't wait to watch it tonight! :banana:

Mark Relford

08-13-2003, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Pukenstein
Now the transfer....It's amazing. Like seeing Day for the first time. Just awesome. When the shovel goes into the zombies head, you can see the blood squirting out. When Sarah is in the lab, it is so well lit with Bub behind her. I could go on and on. Worth getting just for the upgrade.

Ain't that the truth! A HUGE improvement over the older one. I honestly couldn't tell the dubbed bits apart from the rest of the movie. Of course, I've only seen it about a dozen times and don't know every line of dialog by heart.:D The first commentary by Romero, Savini, etc. was enjoyable, but a little disappointing. There's some interesting nuggets of info here and there. I haven't gone through Avary's commentary yet. I was reluctant to get this at first, but I'm happy I did. Now, on to the extras!:D

Cujo108

08-13-2003, 08:58 AM

Watched my copy earlier tonight. Surprisingly, the audio edits weren't as bad as expected, and the picture quality,... well, its just amazing. Gorgeous, gorgeous transfer! I plan on watching most of the extras tomorrow.

Pukenstein

08-13-2003, 03:19 PM

It is amazing, best it will ever look. AB did a great job. Some scenes appear to have that "Minority Report" look, or Matrix. Anyone Something I never noticed at 5:06, the zombie kid has a tarantula walking on his arm. Here's exactly where the changes are for those who want to quickly check.

9:15- It's crazy, voice change

9:35- Shit to Right

58:48- Gunshot

1:01:33- It's the Spic, voice change

1:11:20- Oh Jesus to I can't look

1:20:30- Jesus to Stuck.

Andrew

08-21-2003, 05:49 AM

I finally got this. I love the packaging, actually thought it was pretty cool. I'm not all that stunned with the DVD transfer, but I guess I'm insane. I've had the AB VHS for awhile and this just seems like a natural step up to a DVD. The extras are cool too. Also, does anyone else fucking hate the score to this movie? It's cheesy beyond belief!

Cujo108

08-21-2003, 06:31 AM

Actually, the DAY OF THE DEAD score is one of my favorite scores in a horror film. :) Plus, its easily better than DAWN's score IMO, which I find to be really awkward sounding.

Mortis

08-21-2003, 06:34 AM

I like the Day score, but it's no Dawn.

bigdaddyhorse

08-21-2003, 11:04 PM

Thanks for the list of changes Puke!

This disc just blows the old one out of the water, too bad it doesn't have the BTS feature. I'm about to start checking the used stores for a cheap copy of the old version (I sold my old ones on ebay when they were getting big bank!:D )

Werner Von Wallenrod

08-21-2003, 11:55 PM

Well, to be fair, there's more than one Dawn soundtrack... You guys might not be talking about the same one.

Mortis

08-22-2003, 12:17 AM

I'm talking about the one with most of the music from the Romero cuts. I wish I could find that one song that's missing, though.

maybrick

08-22-2003, 12:26 AM

I'm quite pleased with the new AB release. Not too familiar with the movie: meaning I've seen it enough, just not enough times that I can quote the entire movie word for word.... so I didn't notice the audio changes. Damned glad I bought it! I also agree with whoever said that we've gotten too picky in the DVD age. I doubt quite so many would be up in arms over this 5 years ago.

Mortis

08-22-2003, 12:39 AM

You may not notice them, but there are a lot of others who do. I know I'll notice something different in Dawn of the Dead if they change it (God, no!). Five years ago we'd be happy just to have a lot of these movies on DVD, sure, but this is five years later, where a ton of movies are available on DVD. It's not like it was a basic $9.99 release. This was a big deal. This thing should have been perfect. I've said this before somewhere, but this is AB, not some bootlegger on eBay. They're a major company. There's no reason for a fucked up release. I don't see why you'd go though making all this fancy shit only to change the audio and piss a lot of people off. But, hey, there are a lot of sheep who buy just about anything, so they'll keep getting away with this bullshit as long as people are still buying it.