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BigDeg187
01-19-2001, 12:02 AM
Indeed Suspiria is a classic but It is in no way Argento's best. It has beatiful Cinimetorgraphy along with acting etc. But the movie makes you tired, it is very boring at times, like most of Argento's films. I love Deep Red also but its not as boring as Suspiria. And if Tenebre, ARGENTO's GREATEST isn't in the lead I don't know what to say, you people need to stop listening to those people who say Suspiria and Deep Red are the best. All true horror fans know that Tenebre is his best work of art. I

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jae
01-19-2001, 12:12 AM
I agree.. I thought Suspiria pretty much sucked aside from the beginning and the end. Let the flaming begin!

I wouldn't say that all true horror fans agree that Tenebrae is his best though.. Leave a little room for personal opinion there without condemning those of us who feel differently as not true horror fans.. http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif

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Ralph Mouth
01-19-2001, 12:21 AM
If you think "Suspiria" is boring then you two can't obviously be true horror fans and may find Musicals more to your taste...

Tee-hee, only joking. Seriously though, "Suspiria" is great and it ain't a bore. Believe me, I've seen "Beyond Bedlam". I'm undecided which is better: Suspiria or Tenebrae. "Porno Holocaust" is better than both of them.

Paff
01-19-2001, 12:29 AM
Hmmm...shouldn't this go in Polls or even Euro horror?

Either way, I think that's why there's more than one selection on the ballot: Don't like Suspiria? Don't vote for it.

I was a bit surprised that Phenomena is relegated to "other" status...

I can see why Suspiria will probably win though. Even though it is a bit slow in parts, there's not a single scene that isn't beautifully composed. Hey, maybe that's not your cup of tea, but Suspiria is a feast for the eyes, that's for sure.

Deep Red? I like that one a lot. Not too many of Dario's films make a lot of sense, but this one does. The way it goes so deep into Marc's psyche, and how his actions are conflict, and then resolution with himself, makes this a close vote, that's for sure.

Now, I'd say Tenebrae falls last on the ballot list, behind Deep Red, Suspiria, Opera and a few "others" (Phenomena, The Stendhal Syndrome). Why? Well, Tenebrae sure doesn't skimp on the blood, but I really fail to see the point of the movie. Yes, the 2 1/2 minute camera crawl over the house is a startling effect, but it doesn't mean a damn thing, other than Dario just trying to be weird. Tenebrae is an experiment in introducing characters, then killing them off. Very Fulci-esque if you ask me. And it gets old after a while. Finally, the revelation of the killer's identity is the ultimate cop-out (especially the "double killer" angle). That's one reason Deep Red is so much better. The entire mystery is openly played out on screen, yet we're as clueless as Marc. Watch it again, and everything makes perfect sense. Tenebrae only gets muddier on repeated viewings. If it wasn't for the shockingly brutal and realistic axe murders, this movie would get nowhere near the run that it does.

BigDeg187
01-19-2001, 12:44 AM
Paff you have the right to your own opinion but I have to disagree. I think your not understanding all the ethics behind Tenebre. You have to explore the visual elements behind the film it self. Those who don't understand are not weekminded, they just havn't fully put fourth emmense effort into the message the film tells.

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Dave
01-19-2001, 12:46 AM
Yeh lets keep this going in the <A HREF="http://www.horrordvds.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Polls&number=14&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=">polls forum</A>. That's why I created it! http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif

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Jason25
01-19-2001, 01:04 AM
BigDeg187, you are joking right? Please tell me you are kidding. I didn't think it was April 1st already, damn.

I'd attempt a rebuttle to your not so valid arguements BigDeg187, but it probably isn't worth the effort of typing one up.

But please, don't ever tell me what to think or anyone else for that matter. Sure you can have an opinion, but don't talk down to everyone, who are you anyway. I'll think for myself.
I'm a true horror fan and I think Tenebrae is about his 5th or 6th best movie, but that's just my opinion. How many Argento films have you actually watched?

Paff - I agree with you. Some very good points you bring up.

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BigDeg187
01-19-2001, 01:14 AM
I wasn't putting any one down. I said Paff had the right to his own opinion just like I have the right to my own, just like you have the right to your own. Everyone has the right to their own. Now you don't have the right to accuse me of calling you not a true horror fan. I never did that, I was just stating my opinion not a fact.

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Paff
01-19-2001, 01:19 AM
Big D can be a bit abrasive and opinionated, but I don't mind arguing with him for a while. (probably 'cause I'm pretty damn opinionated myself).

And Big D, are you sure you're real name isn't Maitland McDonagh? I've read her long-winded and pretentious Argento book, and her bias for and against certain films is astounding. She barely gives any ink to Suspiria (even combining it in a chapter with Inferno). Like it or hate it, it's by far his most successful and well known film, and well worth a very in-depth discussion on Argento's work, not a 10 page how's-your-father?

I think I do see what Argento was going for in Tenebrae, and I do enjoy the film. Visual style abounds, that's for damn sure. The lighting scheme and look of the "70s cop show" is definitely well-done (compare that to the dated look of Fulci's similar New York Ripper). But like I said, there's just something missing. Even the character that we're supposed to be exploring seems only vaguely sketched out.

I compare to Deep Red, since it's a Giallo as well, but Deep Red goes, well, deep into all of the main characters (Marc, Gianni, Carlo) and we see all their motivations. It may be a bit slower and much more talkier than Tenebrae, but it's among Dario's best blends of both style AND substance. Tenebrae sure is good. But not AS good...

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BigDeg187
01-19-2001, 01:23 AM
::::::Paff you have the right to your own opinion but I have to disagree. I think your not understanding all the ethics behind Tenebre. You have to explore the visual elements behind the film it self. Those who don't understand are not weekminded, they just havn't fully put fourth emmense effort into the message the film tells.::::::::


This whole post I wrote was bullshit. I don't even know what I was saying, lol. I was just putting down something that I thought sounded cool. I do enjoy Tenebre the most out of all of his works. I don't know why, probably becuase I'm not really enthused with Witchcraft etc, thats why i don't like Suspiria and Inferno as much as Tenebre and Deep Red.

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jae
01-19-2001, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by BigDeg187:
This whole post I wrote was bullshit. I don't even know what I was saying, lol. I was just putting down something that I thought sounded cool. I do enjoy Tenebre the most out of all of his works. I don't know why, probably becuase I'm not really enthused with Witchcraft etc, thats why i don't like Suspiria and Inferno as much as Tenebre and Deep Red.


One of the reasons I don't like Suspiria is because I AM interested in witchcraft. My best friend is a witch and I'm studying it myself.. What was the description of witches used in the movie? That they exist only to gain wealth and harm others? What idiot thought that up? http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif Some movies I can forgive for things like that (Horror Hotel is a good example) but Suspiria just wasn't for me..

Argento Fan 2003
01-19-2001, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Paff:
I was a bit surprised that Phenomena is relegated to "other" status...

I agree with you 100%, I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the poll. That's exactly why I voted for the "Other" choice. I think this film is overlooked too often. If you want to complain about people deeming Suspiria and Deep Red Argento's best because it's "trendy" then think about how often Phenomena is put down. I think this is a beautiful film and deserves more credit. It is, after all, Argento's favorite.

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DeepDownTraumaHound
01-19-2001, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by jae:
One of the reasons I don't like Suspiria is because I AM interested in witchcraft. My best friend is a witch and I'm studying it myself.. What was the description of witches used in the movie? That they exist only to gain wealth and harm others? What idiot thought that up? http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif Some movies I can forgive for things like that (Horror Hotel is a good example) but Suspiria just wasn't for me..

Well, it's not made to educate, it's made to entertain! Horror movies can make mothers look bad (dead alive) or little girls (exorcist) but does that mean they are? NOOO! Witches don't get a bad wrap because of Suspiria! That's black magic any way, which IS only for gain and harm. Don't blame a movie for making something look bad.If you don't like for other reasons, cool, but c'mon.


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Paff
01-19-2001, 03:27 AM
Yeah, if you want an accurate witch movie, rent Kiki's Delivery Service

{ducks}

Dave
01-19-2001, 03:51 AM
Yeah I wasn't sure if I should've gone with Phenomena or Opera. Given that 'Other' is currently beating out 'Opera', I obviously made the wrong choice.

From this point on I'll start posting my ideas for new polls here in the forum, that way I can guage what you guys think the choices should be...

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jae
01-19-2001, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by DeepDownTraumaHound:
Well, it's not made to educate, it's made to entertain! Horror movies can make mothers look bad (dead alive) or little girls (exorcist) but does that mean they are? NOOO! Witches don't get a bad wrap because of Suspiria! That's black magic any way, which IS only for gain and harm. Don't blame a movie for making something look bad.If you don't like for other reasons, cool, but c'mon.



Thats true.. But some things are too stupid to be forgiven or overlooked.. I really didn't care much for the movie up until that point and when I heard that it was just all I could take.. Other problems I had with it was that the dialogue was pretty lame, the acting wasn't that great, the razor wire floor scene was a big disappointment, some of the music was just way too overbearing and annoying, it looked like a bad soap opera from the way it was shot (as opposed to looking filmlike), the colors in places were way too saturated (one scene was almost completely bright red and gave me a headache), the witch thing obviously, there wasn't enough horror for me.. I think a few murders at the beginning, then a guy gets killed by his dog.. I also found that there was a little too much ballet going on for a horror movie.. http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif

What I did like about it: The music was terrific at times.. The opening theme was really really good and helped set the atmosphere.. The beginning was great.. Colorful, creepy (up until we enter the dance academy) and the ending was really creepy and well done too.. Seeing the witches from the hall talking of killing the girl then the 'showdown'.. Cool stuff..

OK, I expect to be flamed for most of my negative comments about the movie but no, it wasn't just the witch thing.. http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif