View Full Version : CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST Limited Edition 2 Disc Set
Derrick Howes
11-06-2003, 09:07 PM
http://www.xploitedcinema.com/dvds/dvds.asp?title=2275
Ruggero Deodato's excellent film gets another release from EC Entertainment. Looks like EC might get 3rd time lucky with this release, it will look nice next to the Italian release which stands proudly in my collection.
PAL???? NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo.......
Andrew
11-07-2003, 12:42 AM
Wow, they have that for pretty cheap. I was excited as hell too until I saw that it was PAL. Oh well, less tempting to splurge when I know Grindhouse will still release it eventually.
x666x
11-07-2003, 02:57 AM
Just pre ordered it and I am totally excited. I doubt grindhouse will release as good of a version unless they too release either a double disc version as well or a single disc version with no extras at high quality!
chrishicks
11-07-2003, 04:30 AM
just ordered this too. they are in Ohio and I'm in MI. so this shouldn't to long to get to me when it ships.
FulciZombieFan
11-07-2003, 06:11 AM
Sorry if this sounds rude but ...
I'm a little sick and tired of everyone going pooh pooh over PAL releases.
This is horror/cult/exploitation movies we are talking about. Not Hollywood big budget product.
It has always been difficult to get some (or many) of the movies from this genre if you only limited yourself to USA NTSC releases.
Over the years I've gone through many EXPENSIVE multi-system video gear so I could play VHS and LaserDiscs from all over the world. It was not uncommon to pay $100 on say a Japanese LaserDisc of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST. That was the only way to get it UNCUT and it excellent quality.
These days you guys got DVD and you can buy a region free multi-system PAL to NTSC DVD player for $79.95
I'm talking about the Cyberhome CH-DVD 500 which is the BEST such player out there for PAL to NTSC conversion.
So in short I have no sympathy for anyone that bitches and moans about imports (which are generally never more than $30 unless it's a Jap import and even those are generally no more than $50) when the equipment to play this stuff is so cheap and works so darn well.
Even if you don't have such a stand alone player you could still buy the import and RIP it to your computer and either watch it on your computer monitor or TV using the TV out of the computer. If you have a DVD burner (and the excellent NEC 4x DVD-R/+R burner is down to around $110 now) you can even convert the DVD yourself on the computer to NTSC so you can play it back on any standard USA DVD player.
So enough with the "oh it's PAL" bitching :D
- John "FulciLives" Coleman
Numania
11-07-2003, 06:44 AM
This is one movie that really doesn't deserve a 2-disk limited edition. It may have been effective when it came out, but now it is boring. I didn't look to see what was on the second disk, but it can't be worth it.
This movie is overhyped. I have one copy, and that's enough. Christ, to think I paid $30 for mine a bunch of years ago...I should've waited for some shitty resurfacing on eBay.
You want to see animals get killed and skinned? Do it in your own backyard.
dwatts
11-07-2003, 07:32 AM
"Limited Edition" :D
If PAL is a problem, then your TV and/or DVD player must simply suck. It's a pity that in the US, everything doesn't do both NTSC and PAL - the rest of the world has figured it out, why does the US lack it?
Derrick Howes
11-07-2003, 07:40 PM
This is one movie that really doesn't deserve a 2-disk limited edition. It may have been effective when it came out, but now it is boring. I didn't look to see what was on the second disk, but it can't be worth it.
This movie is overhyped. I have one copy, and that's enough. Christ, to think I paid $30 for mine a bunch of years ago...I should've waited for some shitty resurfacing on eBay.
You want to see animals get killed and skinned? Do it in your own backyard.
Each to their own, but please don't throw your toys out of your pram because others like this film. The animal killings are not extreme to the point of sickening, do they need to be in there - not for me to answer - Deodato thought so, he is the director and I respect the director's vision.
I for one will not be buying the MONDO CANE collection - just not for me - but I certainly won't attack people who do.
Do I enjoy CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST? Damn right I do, it is a stunning film and one I enjoy time and time again. Ok the wife doesn't like it but when I asked why, it was the rape scenes she disliked. They are not real but she finds them more shocking than the animal killings.
So bring on the 2 Disc Set, still looking forward to the Grindhouse release.
x666x
11-08-2003, 12:18 AM
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I love Cannibal films. As far as encouraging people to kill animals in their back yard instead, I don't understand the logic. At least watching cannibal films allows one to watch the same torture over and over without any more new animals needing to be killed. But you know what, I am probably not alone in saying that the animal torture scenes are hard to watch even for those of us who enjoy watching cannibal films. I hate the rape scenes in movies like I spit on Your Grave, yet I like the revenge scenes because those parts of the film are basically slasher-esque and are somewhat morally justified. Sometimes you take the bad with the good. When I am in a supermarket, I skip the meat section and go for tofu. I also try to keep away from animal products as a whole although I admit I am nowhere near vegan. I am not expecting a medal here, I am just saying that some of us are hardly about killing animals in real life. Cannibal films slipped under the ethical radar. Mind you, so did the Presidancy of George W. Bush. Don't get me started there.
Yeah, Multi Region players are so cheap I don't understand why people don't fork out the extra cash instead of rebuying Army of Darkness every time AB rereleases it. And you know what, when AB starts once again rereleasing all their titles on some sort of Superbit or HD format, more people will fork over yet more money to buy them...Again! Instead, I'd recommend all to buy a multi region player so they can expand their collection to include the likes of the Night of the Demons boxset, the Mutilator, and probably the best version of Cannibal Holocaust that is soon to be released by EC.
Fart Lighter
11-22-2003, 07:21 PM
The animal killings are not extreme to the point of sickening, do they need to be in there
Bullshit. THere's no justification for hurting or killing a living creature of any kind for film/video/TV. THere's something rather wrong with anybody who thinks there is. Yes it's a good film, and yes, stuff like that happens all the time int he world, but not for entertainment. If you think the cruelty isn't extreme you have serious problems. And for the record, just about everybody I know, horror fan or not, is pretty appaled by the animal killings in this and other Cannibal
betterdan
11-22-2003, 07:31 PM
Sorry if this sounds rude but ...
I'm a little sick and tired of everyone going pooh pooh over PAL releases.
This is horror/cult/exploitation movies we are talking about. Not Hollywood big budget product.
It has always been difficult to get some (or many) of the movies from this genre if you only limited yourself to USA NTSC releases.
Over the years I've gone through many EXPENSIVE multi-system video gear so I could play VHS and LaserDiscs from all over the world. It was not uncommon to pay $100 on say a Japanese LaserDisc of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST. That was the only way to get it UNCUT and it excellent quality.
These days you guys got DVD and you can buy a region free multi-system PAL to NTSC DVD player for $79.95
I'm talking about the Cyberhome CH-DVD 500 which is the BEST such player out there for PAL to NTSC conversion.
So in short I have no sympathy for anyone that bitches and moans about imports (which are generally never more than $30 unless it's a Jap import and even those are generally no more than $50) when the equipment to play this stuff is so cheap and works so darn well.
Even if you don't have such a stand alone player you could still buy the import and RIP it to your computer and either watch it on your computer monitor or TV using the TV out of the computer. If you have a DVD burner (and the excellent NEC 4x DVD-R/+R burner is down to around $110 now) you can even convert the DVD yourself on the computer to NTSC so you can play it back on any standard USA DVD player.
So enough with the "oh it's PAL" bitching :D
- John "FulciLives" Coleman
I have not bought a PAL capable dvd player because I have a Denon dvd player that has about the best pic quality I've ever seen. While I wouldn't mind having some of the PAL releases I do not want to buy a cheap dvd player with inferior pic quality. I'll just wait for the NTSC release. That's why I pooh pooh PAL releases. :)
And just for the record I love Cannibal Holocaust. Hurry up Grindhouse!
Derrick Howes
11-22-2003, 09:51 PM
Bullshit. THere's no justification for hurting or killing a living creature of any kind for film/video/TV. THere's something rather wrong with anybody who thinks there is. Yes it's a good film, and yes, stuff like that happens all the time int he world, but not for entertainment. If you think the cruelty isn't extreme you have serious problems. And for the record, just about everybody I know, horror fan or not, is pretty appaled by the animal killings in this and other Cannibal
Good start to your message, nothing quite says it like bad language. Now you have got that out of your system, lets get to the meat of your problem. So what you are saying is that as long as an animal is not killed for film/video/TV then we are all justified in killing them for food ... let me see, I think you are being shall we say, dim. There is no cruelty towards animals in this film, no animal is tortured, yes animals are killed, but if you really think that all animals die clean with no pain, then you are very misguided. So for the record everybody you know is pretty appalled by the animal killings, good for them - but they still had to watch this and every other film even though they knew there were scenes of animals being killed - I have never understood that, funny how people are never sickened by animal killings until they sit down and watch one of these films :sleepy: ... don't forget APOCALYPSE NOW what Francis Ford Coppola did to that poor creature at the end, and not forgetting SOUTHERN COMFORT that Walter Hill should be strung up for what he was responsible for :bs: .
etale
11-22-2003, 10:37 PM
This is one movie that really doesn't deserve a 2-disk limited edition. It may have been effective when it came out, but now it is boring. I didn't look to see what was on the second disk, but it can't be worth it.
This movie is overhyped. I have one copy, and that's enough. Christ, to think I paid $30 for mine a bunch of years ago...I should've waited for some shitty resurfacing on eBay.
You want to see animals get killed and skinned? Do it in your own backyard.
I haven't seen CANNIBAL HOLCOAST, but I heard about the turtle scene. Lenzi did the same scene in CANNIBAL FEROX. Is this a regular thing in Italian cannibal films?
PAL???? NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo.......
PAL? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
;)
Now that I got a player that does convert, this is so mine :)
chrishicks
12-02-2003, 03:46 AM
anyone else get an email about these shipping out today?
I just ordered it today! I also just put up my old DVD on Ebay to help pay for the cost of this one.
marcx
12-02-2003, 08:11 PM
I personally cannot enjoy this film due to the animal cruelty...
sorry but watching real animal deaths does not "entertain" me....
chrishicks
12-02-2003, 09:01 PM
I personally cannot enjoy this film due to the animal cruelty...
sorry but watching real animal deaths does not "entertain" me....
that's why I'll be using the FF button on the remote during those scenes.
Fart Lighter
12-02-2003, 11:15 PM
I got mine, and the menus dont respond in any of my three players. Occasionally the image freezes for a few seconds in one of them too.
It's been a while since I last saw this, and maybe my tastes have changed, as it's boring me on end.
x666x
12-03-2003, 07:44 AM
Got my email. I get mine in under two weeks. I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!
I got an e-mail informing me that it has been shipped :)
chrishicks
12-03-2003, 04:36 PM
got mine today. I guess it helps that I only live 1 state over from them. and I used media mail to boot.
Ash28M
12-03-2003, 05:18 PM
I personally cannot enjoy this film due to the animal cruelty...
sorry but watching real animal deaths does not "entertain" me....
But most of us can scarf down a steak without a moments thought or two pounds of chicken wings. Or go hunting with your dad and kill a couple of dear for the sport of it.
I don't think any of us watch Cannibal Holocaust for the animal cruelty. it just unfortunately happens to be the film. You can either look at it for what it is, which is a film that comes from a time in horror history when film makers unfortunately used animal killings as part of the shock value . Or you can let it bother you and don't watch it at all. Watching the film does in no way mean you condone the senseless slaughter of animals though.
But most of us can scarf down a steak without a moments thought or two pounds of chicken wings. Or go hunting with your dad a kill a couple of dear for the sport of it.
I don't think any of us watch Cannibal Holocaust for the animal cruelty. it just unfortunately happens to be the film. You can either look at it for what it is, which is a film that comes from a time in horror history when film makers unfortunately used animal killings as part of the shock value . Or you can let it bother you and don't watch it at all. Watching the film does in now way means you condone the senseless slaughter of animals though.
Well said!
dwatts
12-04-2003, 01:00 AM
I just wanted to congratulate chrishicks for showing enormous taste, and bringing back the dancing banana. Good on ya!
Damin J. Toell
12-04-2003, 03:37 AM
I got the disc today. I only popped through it quickly this morning, but the transfer looked great. I was afraid that the color might be all out of whack and oversatured, like the Ultrabit release of House by the Cemetery appears to be. Thankfully, the colors looked right to me in comparison to how I remember Grindhouse's theatrical print looking a few months ago. My TV isn't anything special, so I'm not in a position to say whether the transfer meets the requirements of those with high-end displays, but it looks wonderful to me.
DJ
chrishicks
12-04-2003, 04:16 AM
I just wanted to congratulate chrishicks for showing enormous taste, and bringing back the dancing banana. Good on ya!
I'm glad you like.:)
betterdan
12-04-2003, 04:35 AM
I like the dancing girl avatar better :( But what do I know? I have no taste. :)
chrishicks
12-04-2003, 04:53 AM
I'll bring her back at some point. I wanted a change and plus I missed the banana.
Damin J. Toell
12-04-2003, 08:12 AM
Is anyone else out there using the Cyberhome CH-500 to watch this disc? When going through the disc more this evening, I found a very odd glitch. I went to the 'Last Road to Hell' sequence, and at about 42:24 into the film, the player suddenly reset! The screen just goes to black and the player starts up again, reading the disc as if I've just loaded it into the player. The problem happens every time I go to that moment, but if I do the 4x fast forwarding, the problem doesn't occur. I thought this might be the location of the layer change, and that was the cause of the glitch, but even if I fast forward, the exact problem occurs again about 20 seconds later. I went back to the beginning of the film and watched about 10 or 12 minutes straight through, and it had no problems at all with that portion of the film, so it's not just as if the player randomly cuts out every few minutes.
This is a pretty odd glitch, but I don't have another region-free player to check the disc out on. I know that the Cyberhome is particularly glitchy, but I've never had any problem even remotely like this with the player. I'd love to know if there is a specific player incompatibility with this disc (which I doubt, but it'd be great if someone could check for me), if my player is getting particularly glitchy, or if the disc is defective. Since I can't check this disc in another player, it seems my only real option is to try an exchange. I bought the disc from Xploited Cinema, and this was my first order from them, and I'd hate to get off to a bad start by exchanging a disc from my very first order. I'd also hate to hurt Tony by leaving him with a slightly used disc that may or may not be defective on other players.
Anyway, if anyone can try the "Last Road to Hell" sequence on their CH-500 for me, it'd be a big help and at least eliminate one possibility.
DJ
cdove
12-04-2003, 11:30 PM
I received the new Cannibal Holocaust dvd and, I must say that this is by far the
best I have seen this film look. I've had previous versions of this film on dvd, and thought they looked fine, but this new ultra-bit package is even
greater! I highly recommend it!
As for the movie itself, it's probably the single most disturbing film I have ever seen, and believe me, I have had the privilege to view all kinds of films throughout my 25 years. Yet, it's crazy to think that such an unsettling film can be so good and that I
can give it such praise!
I just got my copy today, wow that was fast!
http://www.xploitedcinema.com/ rocks!
It looks stunningly beautiful!
Boy, am I ever happy I finally got a region free NTSC/PAL DVD player!
cdove
12-05-2003, 01:29 AM
Oh yeah, and major props go out to Tony over at Xploited from me as well. When it comes to price and customer service, they are the very best!
Livingdead102
12-05-2003, 02:26 AM
So what you are saying is that as long as an animal is not killed for film/video/TV then we are all justified in killing them for food ... :bs: .
I would say that killing something for survival (and I'm really not passionate enough about the topic to argue about whether man needs to eat animals to survive, so I'll concede that point right now) is a little different than killing something for entertainment value. I've never seen Cannibal Holocaust myself so I can't talk about the film in particular, but I do have a hard time watching anything--man or animal--tortured or killed in real life (when Savini does it, though, it's all good). I guess if you're someplace where you can kill stuff on film and get away with it, use your discretion. I personally wouldn't ever do it, though. And yes, I'm including those poor little maggots in Suspiria in that statement. :eek1:
marcx
12-08-2003, 04:21 PM
"But most of us can scarf down a steak without a moments thought or two pounds of chicken wings. Or go hunting with your dad and kill a couple of dear for the sport of it."
I dont eat any red meat and never have or never will go hunting. Does that make me perfect..no? Did I say you shouldn't watch the movie? No. Its just not something I personally enjoy. I lso have no interest in faces of death or any of that...but thats just me....
X-human
12-09-2003, 02:34 AM
I've only seen Eaten Alive, and I the scenes of animals dying in it served well in establishing setting. It did not seem to me that any of the animals being killed were just for the sake of being killed and simply tossed aside. From what I recall it was just natives doing what they do every day, and still are doing.
I wouldn't say I watched Eaten Alive soley for entertainment, but I did find it very interesting. I did not consider it sensless and I feel that it established the enviroment very well.
Something like video taping yourself shooting down birds for kicks I'd call cruel, but documenting nature or a slaughter that happens day to day for food is hardly animal cruelty.
I'd agree that it's debatable how and why it was filmed, but I would not apperciate it if those elements were removed from the film; what's done is done and I plan on watching many other such cannibal films in the future.
It should be noted that ALL the animals killed in Cannibal Holocaust were eaten by the natives. That's their food, they were just killed in front of the cameras. Nothing was killed just for the hell of it, they were going to be killed for food anyway. No different than chickens, pigs, fish, and cows are killed everyday for us to eat. Remember people, it's just a movie, it's not a snuff film.
grant666uk
12-10-2003, 02:27 AM
I ordered this and the BLOOD FOR DRACULA & FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN - 2 DVD SET.
My first time using xploited cinema. Dvd was sent on the 4th and its got a long way to go. All the way to Scotland UK.
I hope they come tomorrow.
Derrick Howes
12-11-2003, 09:26 PM
I ordered this and the BLOOD FOR DRACULA & FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN - 2 DVD SET.
My first time using xploited cinema. Dvd was sent on the 4th and its got a long way to go. All the way to Scotland UK.
I hope they come tomorrow.
Hope you get the DVD. Customs stole mine, something about them believing it to be obscene ... so what they are trying to tell me is they don't know. Funny how they let me have the Italian version a month back, must be the cover artwork on the EC version.
grant666uk
12-12-2003, 01:01 AM
sorry to here that Derrick. My 3 dvds came on tuesday. They were well packed. The slipcase that Cannibal Holocaust comes in is well gory and if customs had opened it then I would have been in the same boat as you.
x666x
12-12-2003, 02:56 PM
(Canada) customs opened my Guinea Pig packages and they somehow slipped through. I think they just quickly glanced to see if they were dvds so they can charge me taxes on them.
I was worried about my Cannibal Holocaust order but it too got through a day after Porno Holocaust came in last week.
mgfred
12-12-2003, 05:44 PM
I've only seen Eaten Alive, and I the scenes of animals dying in it served well in establishing setting. It did not seem to me that any of the animals being killed were just for the sake of being killed and simply tossed aside. From what I recall it was just natives doing what they do every day, and still are doing.
The issue with Eaten Alive and Mountain of the Cannibal God (which these scenes were originally used for) is the scene where the snake eats the monkey. Yes they ate the lizard in the first animal death, however in the case of the monkey, the story is that the crew actually setup the monkey to be swallowed by the snake. To me that's different than native actors killing and eating an animal.
I am pretty sure that Sergio Martino denies this, we will never know for sure!
Dr_Acula
01-06-2004, 07:38 AM
According to the SLEAZOID EXPRESS book Robert Kernan says that at least one of the animal killings in CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST was done solely for the sake of the camera--the one with the little chipmunk like creature. It bothered Kernan so much that he prayed that the movie would fail, he was so sickened by Deodato's callous attitude.
It's still a favorite of mine, but I think the animal killings are in a lot of ways the hardest thing to deal with for fans of the subgenre. I don't like them either and usually FF past them.
Shannafey
01-06-2004, 01:54 PM
I think the animal killings are in a lot of ways the hardest thing to deal with for fans of the subgenre. I don't like them either and usually FF past them.
Is this because the animal killings are real, and the human killings are fake? I hope it is. I feel like too many people in the world put animal life before human life. I think there was an awful case down here where a guy threw a woman's dog into traffic and took off. Tons of people poured in the money to catch this guy. He needed to be caught and prosecuted, but the same outpouring of support would have never came if it were a human life. That's what sickens me! Sorry to turn this into a soapbox, and I also realize that the people killed in the cannibal films are usually scumbags, but I wanted to make a point.
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