Another Reason Why Sergio Martino Sucks

[DeathDealer]

As you guys know, I really did not like Scorpion's Tail by Martino to much. But, after some discussions with you guys I went and rented another one of his films.

All The Colors Of The Dark.

I really wanted to like this film, truly did. But I go into a giallo for the stylish violence also, and it didn't deliver. The murder sequences were hardly shown at all. But most of the time it was an aftermath body with a line of blood over the neck. The murder's scenes really did fail, and the ending was just extremely easy and really idiotic.

Not to say it was all bad. The Satanic Scenes were done very artisticly, and the surreal scenes were not to bad. And music was pretty good by Brueno.

People seem to like Martino because his giallo's always have great and invloving plots, but you don't go into giallo's for that. Having a good plot is always a plus, but it's not really an essential for a good giallo.

Another disappointing and overrated Martino Flick.

DAMN.

7/10

[Ash28M]

I've never seen it but 7/10 is pretty good in my book.

[DeathDealer]

i feel that a 7 is something that is good, but could have been improved in vast areas.

[Ash28M]

i feel that a 7 is something that is good, but could have been improved in vast areas.

For me 7 is about the cut off point of what I will consider adding to my collection.

[RyanPC]

People seem to like Martino because his giallo's always have great and invloving plots, but you don't go into giallo's for that.

Then you must not know too much about gialli. Plot is one of the key aspects of what makes a giallo successful.

[DeathDealer]

They are countless giallo's that have average plots, but still turn out to be great. A plot does not make a film. You can have the greatest plot in the world, but if the excecution itself is bad, you have nothing.

[RyanPC]

They are countless giallo's that have average plots, but still turn out to be great. A plot does not make a film. You can have the greatest plot in the world, but if the excecution itself is bad, you have nothing.

But if the plot is bad... then you have nothing. Either that, or it's so bad that it turns into something. ;)

[Numania]

Do people consider Suspiria a giallo?
If so, that's a great film, but the plot is ... ... there's a plot?
I don't know. Some of the tighter gialli (Solange, Crystal Plumage, Cat O' Nine Tails) have great plots. However, there are a version of gialli that have looser plots that are carried by superb visuals and (as it would be called now) Italian style.

[RyanPC]

Do people consider Suspiria a giallo?
If so, that's a great film, but the plot is ... ... there's a plot?

I guess I'm in the minority; I consider Suspiria to have a great plot.

[The Chaostar]

Even if it has... it ain't no giallo!

[DeathDealer]

Please tell me that Solange has alot of style violence...I just ordered that.

I don't want to be buying another Colors Of The Dark.

[DefJeff]

Solange is stylish and has some downright amazing music. I don't remember it being too violent, but the way the killer kills is pretty nasty.

DeathDealer, I dunno if you've seen Torso or not, but you shouldn't write off Martino until you've at least seen that one, I think it's his best.

[RyanPC]

Please tell me that Solange has alot of style violence...I just ordered that.

I don't want to be buying another Colors Of The Dark.

Like Jeff said, it isn't very gory, but the cinematography is fantastic and yes, the music is great. I think you'll enjoy it. :)

[zombi3]

All The Colors Of The Dark.

I really wanted to like this film, truly did. But I go into a giallo for the stylish violence also, and it didn't deliver. The murder sequences were hardly shown at all. But most of the time it was an aftermath body with a line of blood over the neck. The murder's scenes really did fail, and the ending was just extremely easy and really idiotic.

Not to say it was all bad. The Satanic Scenes were done very artisticly, and the surreal scenes were not to bad. And music was pretty good by Brueno.

People seem to like Martino because his giallo's always have great and invloving plots, but you don't go into giallo's for that. Having a good plot is always a plus, but it's not really an essential for a good giallo.

Another disappointing and overrated Martino Flick.

DAMN.

7/10

My sentiments exactly. The lack of violent murders was a bummer, but I didn't think the plot was that great either. Granted, it did have some interesting visuals, but I always say if cinematography is the only thing that stands out then the movie's not all that good. I just got Scorpion's Tail and Mrs. Wardh, but I haven't gotten around to watching them yet. I hope these will be better. For the record, I really like some of Martino's other stuff. Mountain of the Cannibal God and 2019 were great! :evil:

[Semerrill]

I dont think sergio martino sucks

[DeathDealer]

Love the comment Semerrill. :lol:

[dwatts]

I think the problem is you're buying these films for their violence, and if they don't have enough, you say they're inferior. I love giallos, some are violent some not. I buy them because they're giallos. Pure and simple. It's your expectation that is out of whack, imo.

[eric_angelus]

I have a whole special evening of suck in store for me. Just ordered Scorpions Tail and Mrs. Wardh. I personally love giallo...I have never seen these two, but after watching All the Colors of the Dark, it actually made me realize how much I love the twisted plots and great early 70s atmosphere...and it also made me research all the gems that I have been missing all these years! I had actually seen Mrs Wardh before (in a heavily edited EP speed VHS titled Blade of the Ripper that I picked up at a Woolworth for about $2 when I was in college) but have forgotten most of it. Can't wait to get them in.

[dwatts]

Oh yeah, I forgot, All Colors of the Dark is a brilliant little film.

[DeathDealer]

Let me try and put it this way, to make cereal, you need milk, the cereal itself, and sugar. But without sugar the cereal becomes bland and mostly tastless, but still you can eat it.

Now, violence is sugar, and milk and cereal are the plot. You can still watch the plot, but if there is no violence it really becomes bland. But, if you have the damn finest plot, milk, and cereal you can live without out the sugar, but rearly does that happen.

Weird as Hell, but makes my point.

[de rossi]

Sergio Martinos gialli are excellent, and i can´t wait to get my hands on Next!/The Strange Vice Of Mrs Wardh. :D
I loved Torso and i enjoyed both The Case of The SCorpions Tail and All the Colors of the Dark/Day of the Maniac.

:evil: Sergio Martino does not suck, man! he´s the king of 70:s gialli! :evil:

[old-boo-radley]

Do people consider Suspiria a giallo?
If so, that's a great film, but the plot is ... ... there's a plot?


That just made my day.

[Luna]

Let me try and put it this way, to make cereal, you need milk, the cereal itself, and sugar. But without sugar the cereal becomes bland and mostly tastless, but still you can eat it.I don't put sugar on my cereal and it's quite flavorful as is... :(

Anyway, count me in as another one who enjoyed All The Colors Of The Dark.

[Blue Holocaust]

Now, violence is sugar, and milk and cereal are the plot. You can still watch the plot, but if there is no violence it really becomes bland. But, if you have the damn finest plot, milk, and cereal you can live without out the sugar, but rearly does that happen.

To each his own...
Giallo movies are not supposed to be overly gory!
Even then I think Sergio Martino films have their fair share of violent imagery... You didn't like Case of the Scorpion's Tail? Yet it's one of the bloodiest gialli I've seen, bellies ripped up, eyes gouged out, hands knifed etc... The killer in this movie is pretty brutal. But anyway, scope photography, stylish camera work, insane plot twists, atmosphere, weird/groovy music score & gorgeous actresses are enough to give his films tons of flavor. These are the main reasons I'm into gialli...
You don't like Martino, fine... I doubt you'll like many other giallo movies though, because Sergio Martino made some of the most exciting and fast paced ones... He's the next best thing after Argento, Fulci & Bava...

[RyanPC]

Let me try and put it this way, to make cereal, you need milk, the cereal itself, and sugar. But without sugar the cereal becomes bland and mostly tastless, but still you can eat it.

Now, violence is sugar, and milk and cereal are the plot. You can still watch the plot, but if there is no violence it really becomes bland.

I'm sorry, but no it doesn't. I love gore as much as the next guy, but you don't need violence to make an entertaining horror movie.

I mean, take Don't Torture a Duckling for example. I consider it to be Fulci's best film and probably the greatest giallo ever made. However, it's not gory. Sure there's violence, but much of it is implied rather than shown (with the exception of a couple scenes that are rather violent, but I wouldn't call them gory).

[dwatts]

--Let me try and put it this way, to make cereal, you need milk, the cereal itself, and sugar. But without sugar the cereal becomes bland and mostly tastless, but still you can eat it.

Yeah, sorry guy, you just don't appear to get it. I honestly think that giallo's are just not for you.

[Ash28M]

I wanna name my first born Giallo.

[h. simon kittay]

Let me try and put it this way, to make cereal, you need milk, the cereal itself, and sugar. But without sugar the cereal becomes bland and mostly tastless, but still you can eat it.

Now, violence is sugar, and milk and cereal are the plot. You can still watch the plot, but if there is no violence it really becomes bland. But, if you have the damn finest plot, milk, and cereal you can live without out the sugar, but rearly does that happen.

Please, help me... I do like gialli, but don't like cereals....aarrgghhh!!!

[Cydeous]

Gialli aren't known for their gore at all. They are movies about crime and and an investigation of some sort.

Anyway, "All the Colors of the Dark" is Martin's best film (that I've seen so far) so if you hated that then you will probaly hate the rest. Also, if you heard that "Solange" is gory then you heard wrong :)

[Crystal Plumage]

I just wanted to post in this thread to say Martino is my second favorite director.
I have nothing more to add to previous comments.If you don't like All The colors....or Scorpion's Tail you'll probably hate Solange.Perhaps (as stated before) Gialli aren't your thing.

[DeathDealer]

I fucking love giallo, here are some of them:

Who saw Her Die?
Case Of The Bloody Iris
Deep Red
House With Laughing Windows
Opera
Bloodstained Shadow
Eyeball
Slaughter Hotel (Weird But Had A Great Ending)
Tenebre
Cat O'NIne Tails
House By The Cemetary
Killer Must Kill Again
Bird Crystal Plumage
Deep Red
Seven Notes In Black
Sleepless
Don't Torture A Duckling
NY Ripper
ETC.....

This analogy with cearal and everything only goes for giallos, RyanPC. And, not for horror films in all.

Blue Holocaust, I never had a problem with violence in Scropion's Tail, WHo ever said I had a problem with violence in that film? ONly with Colors oF the Dark.

And, guys another problem with the film was the pacing. It went on for about 30 mins. with nothing happening, just her getting chased by the Satanic Pyscho every now and than. Amusing actually, since he would come out of nowhere, run after her, she screams, and always escapes. If you call that entainment that your stantards much be really low.

[Crystal Plumage]

Sorry if I (or anyone else) offended you.Wasn't intentional.
Ofcourse I KNOW you love Gialli.I read your posts all over the board and I know you have about the same taste in Gialli as I do.
Talking of that I think you'll probably love Solange!

[DeathDealer]

NO, I wasn't offended by anything you guys said Crystal Plumage, don't worry.

It's healthy to debate and have discussions.

At least I know now why you guys love Martino Films.

[zombi3]

House by the Cemetery ain't no giallo, silly! :p

[Cydeous]

NO, I wasn't offended by anything you guys said Crystal Plumage, don't worry.

It's healthy to debate and have discussions.

At least I know now why you guys love Martino Films.

If you wanted to have a healthy debate then why did you title the thread "Another reaon why Sergio Martino Sucks"? IMO, that does not promote healthy dialogue... it just upsets people that like Martino's work.

[DeathDealer]

So I'm not allowed to express my feelings???

I didn't know it was going to be a discussion, I thought it was going to be more of an comment than anything else.

[RyanPC]

So I'm not allowed to express my feelings???

:lol:

Sure you're allowed to express your feelings in the thread, but when you put it in the title that Sergio Martino sucks, that's leading to a pretty biased and one-sided discussion.

[DeathDealer]

I just have a strong conviction and hate against the guy.

[RyanPC]

I just have a strong conviction and hate against the guy.

And I have a strong conviction and hate against this thread. :gay:

[dwatts]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:fucked:

[DeathDealer]

RyanPC, it seems you can't take criticism.

And, the thing is, I'm not even criticizing you, I'm criticizing someone totally different.

:rolleyes:

[RyanPC]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:fucked:

Exactly. I quit! :lol:

[Jason25]

I just have a strong conviction and hate against the guy.


Since things have gone off-topic yet again, I'm closing this thread. If we can't keep things civil, please don't post on here.

Deathdealer, this has to be one of the most idiotic statements I've read in awhile.