View Full Version : Quick review of TRAUMA AB version
killit
08-19-2005, 06:09 AM
Ok, is it worth your money? Yes and No. The Featurette, LOVE, DEATH & TRAUMA, is not half bad and a very welcome extra feature. The Deleted scenes are represented well(though there are not many of them). Audio commentary by Alan Jones, well, it's not great. It's obviously rather old and full of misinformation. On set with Tom Savini, is'nt bad and fans should find it the most interesting of tom savini featurettes. Discs comes with a bunch of american dario trailers. Here's what I have issue with :FULLY RESTORED AND TOTALLY UNCUT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN AMERICA! Ok it's the first widescreen incarnation, so I guess that count's for restored these days. This is the same print released by worldvision in the 90's(the unrated one of course, it came in both r and unrated) The reason, or one of the reasons that was not a big seller with argentophiles is because at the time there was a rather popuklar boot with all the longewr death scenes. None of that is on this disc, alan jones says he's never seen it, but darfio's confirmed to him that it's true. Well, I have seen it, I owned it, and am annoyed ob the abscence of the extended murders on trhis dvd. Otherwise a fine release. Alan jones commentaries are not a favourite, I'd rather have the other guy, from the phenomena and tenebre discs. Cheers, I'm typing this at an airport, so it's a bit in haste, but I've had the disc for over a week and have just had the chance to view it.
Mattster
08-19-2005, 06:17 AM
Damn that's not what I wanted to hear. I'll wait for more reviews before I make a decision.
dwatts
08-19-2005, 07:49 AM
-- Audio commentary by Alan Jones, well, it's not great. It's obviously rather old and full of misinformation.--
Actually, I think this is a new commentary track recently recorded. And Alan was on the set of this film, so I'd be interested to know what misinformation is in it.
meddle
08-19-2005, 08:36 AM
Wait a minute isn’t Alan Jones considered an expert on the films of Dario Argento and he wrote the definitive book on the man. :confused: His commentary was recorded recently so it cannot be old and outdated and as for his commentary being full of misleading information I find that hard to believe. :rolleyes: One of the reviewers at DVD Times also has a copy of Anchor Bay’s Trauma DVD. I will wait to hear what he thinks before I pass any judgment on this release. :)
dwatts
08-19-2005, 08:39 AM
Didn't he also do a commentary for Bird with the Crystal Plummage? If anyone here likes Argento but doesn't have Alan Jones' book, then go get it now. Excellent read.
meddle
08-19-2005, 09:05 AM
From what I heard he recorded the audio commentaries for The Card Dealer, Trauma and The Bird with the Crystal Plumage all around the same time earlier this year.
killit
08-19-2005, 11:35 AM
-- Audio commentary by Alan Jones, well, it's not great. It's obviously rather old and full of misinformation.--
Actually, I think this is a new commentary track recently recorded. And Alan was on the set of this film, so I'd be interested to know what misinformation is in it.
Listen to it for yourself. I'm not on an anti alan jones campaign, I'm just trying to help you out. Stating, what I fleshed out. He himself says he only saw trauma twice, once when it was premiered and again for this dvd. This isn't a for or against sorta thing, it just is. Be skeptical, be whatever, fuck if I care, it's just not as cool as a release as some(including me) hoped. He doesn't even care for the film. Besides, if you all were gonna buy it, you woul;d have preordered it buy now. I just got home, I'm drunk, and for the record it does sound old, it sounds like it was recorded for the tartan dvd. btw I'm passing judgement cause I have the fucking disc. It's not Uncensored , it's the sdame old . As far as the misinformation, he visited the fucking set, he's visited most of dario sets, it's a far cry from being an expert. Dario's not fucking dead, he's the fucking expert, jeez, hello, and if anybody has insight on drrio it;'s fucking maitland. Watch the trauma doc, dario states the same stuff he's always said and it is contrary to what jones said. You all are missing the point, the point being, this is the worldvision cut, that's really the main thing. How many fucking times have you seen suspiria , trauma or whatever, consider yourself a fucking expert.
Crystal Plumage
08-19-2005, 12:59 PM
Stop drinking...
dwatts
08-19-2005, 04:19 PM
The point being, posting when drunk makes you type gibberish :D
Maitland just doesn't do it for me. Jones book is fantastic, with tons of details, not only from what he saw on the set, but from his interviews with just about everyone involved with Argento. He's as close to an expert as we have I reckon (which doesn't make him interesting of course.
As for his not liking the film all that much - well, to me that makes sense, because it isn't a very good film. Of course others disagree. So what is the misinformation?
Crystal Plumage
08-19-2005, 05:13 PM
All I want to know is how's the A/V quality?
I recently sold my Tartan disc and I'm pretty sure this one's better.But if it isn't,I'll buy the new UK disc (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews15/trauma.htm)instead.
I'm not buying this for the extras (although some extras are always nice) but for the movie.
Yes,I'm one of the few who actually likes this movie :nervous:.Not one of my favorites but still worth watching once or twice a year.
And anyone who has read Jones' review of it (in Profondo Argento,but published earlier) already knows he dislikes it.That doesn't mean he can't do an audio commentary.
And the fact that Dario claims something doesn't always necessarily mean it's true either.
dwatts
08-19-2005, 05:33 PM
--And the fact that Dario claims something doesn't always necessarily mean it's true either.--
Actually, there are several points in the book where Argento contradicts himself, or is caught out making mistakes. No biggie, he's doing interviews, not taking an exam.
Mattster
08-19-2005, 05:43 PM
The thing that keeps me from buying Jones' book is because the guy has made some pretty lame mistakes in the past and, because he hates Phenomena, he pretty much disregards it in anything he does about the man. I'd hate to buy it and see a couple of pages of his opinion of the film rather than anything interesting.
I don't care if you hate the movie, but if you're going to write a book about the man, you can't let your opinion overshadow your job. Maybe he didn't treat it so badly in his last book. I'll have to read some reviews.
dwatts
08-19-2005, 05:52 PM
Oh, but that's totally wrong. Jones is a man with an opinion. He didn't write a biography (in which case your comment might ring true), instead, he reprinted and documented his own experiences with Argento, his films, and with the people who made those films. I happen not to rate Phenomena or Trauma myself - so I happen to agree with Jones on that. However, he writes good things about Phantom, which I wholly disagree with.
But that's the point, Mattster - at least for me. The only way to get a rounded view on things is to read things you disagree with, so you can understand a differing opinion other than that gut feeling "you're wrong". You seem to suggest you don't want to read the book because you don't agree with some of the things written in it - that's a missed opportunity, imo.
Personally I found the book fascinating. even if Jones made an error or two - the interviews with cinematographers, script writers, musicians, actors....... is just too good to pass up. If you want to know about Argento, to my knowledge, no-one has written about the films better.
Mattster
08-19-2005, 05:56 PM
Oh, but that's totally wrong. Jones is a man with an opinion. He didn't write a biography (in which case your comment might ring true), instead, he reprinted and documented his own experiences with Argento, his films, and with the people who made those films. I happen not to rate Phenomena or Trauma myself - so I happen to agree with Jones on that. However, he writes good things about Phantom, which I wholly disagree with.
But that's the point, Mattster - at least for me. The only way to get a rounded view on things is to read things you disagree with, so you can understand a differing opinion other than that gut feeling "you're wrong". You seem to suggest you don't want to read the book because you don't agree with some of the things written in it - that's a missed opportunity, imo.
Personally I found the book fascinating. even if Jones made an error or two - the interviews with cinematographers, script writers, musicians, actors....... is just too good to pass up. If you want to know about Argento, to my knowledge, no-one has written about the films better.
It's not so much that his opinion is wrong. Trust me, I'm used to people hating Phenomena. I'd just like to read something with interesting facts about it that I didn't know already. For a man with such an insider's point of view, I was hoping he'd spare me the analysis and opinion and give me some factual information. If it relies too heavily on opinion then it might as well be Broken Mirrors, Broken Minds.
dwatts
08-19-2005, 06:02 PM
Dude, there are so many factiods in the book, you won't sleep for a week. The book is broken out into reviews of the film, and the nuggets of info.
Example: The Phenomena section starts with factual information about the film, including quotes from an Argento interview held at the time. Then he does his review of the film. He then does an interview with Simon Boswell, Foire Argento, and Franco Fellini. This runs for 11 pages total - with many great shots too.
That's just the piece specifically about Phenomena.
-- If it relies too heavily on opinion then it might as well be Broken Mirrors, Broken Minds.--
Oh, this book is worlds apart from that book. It is far more accessible, and much less speculative. I wouldn't begin to compare them.
ps: I think we established the majority of the people here like Phenomena, so you're in good company ;)
Mattster
08-19-2005, 06:04 PM
Well that's better than what I expected. I just didn't want to a buy a book, for the film I'm really interested in, to get nothing new out of it.
killit
08-19-2005, 08:14 PM
It's 2:40.1, anamorphic, and an excellent quality print. The film used the ENR process(or as jonesy calls it E M R, sorry couldn't help myself, but seriously, sometimes it seems as if he knows fuck all about film)ENR is an old school process, which is very similair to bleach bypass or skip bleach if you prefer. Basically it rretains all the silver in the film negative, which is usually discarded once the neg hits the bleach bath. Resulting in a more muted colour pallette. ENR is a bit different and slightly more complex. The ENR stands for the initials of he inventor, ernesto something and I think he developed it at technicolour. ENR is not used anymore, but bleach bypass is used on virtually every fincher flick, so theres an example. So the colours for a lot of the day scenes reflect this. Of course the interiours and night ext are gorgeous, dario's signature gel lights are in place and colours are vibrant. Sound, well, it sounds exactly the same as it always, which admitidlly has always sounded a bit weird in a good way, but no, the sound doesn't rock my world, it sounds just like the laser and tartan disc, well the effects are better and more punchy, but the dialogue is the same. Honestly if you just want to replace your tartan, and want to benefit from the Ab features. It will be fine. However IMO this is not the last dvd release of TRAUMA, but it probablywill be current for a while.
COMING NEXT WEEK !!!! MY DRUNK AS REVIEW OF AB"S IL CARTIO"!!!
\SLAY TUNED.!!!! I'm kidding, but yeah, I'm gonna post comments, well just see if alan can impress me, with this one.
Cydeous
08-19-2005, 08:30 PM
OK, this sucks... the movie isn't uncut? Does an uncut version exist on DVD anywhere? If not then I will get the AB version, otherwise the other version. As for Il Cartaio, the lack of the Italian track is enough for me to not get it. I'll go with an R2 version, if anything.
killit
08-19-2005, 08:51 PM
There is a longer medusa disc.
dwatts
08-19-2005, 09:04 PM
-- The film used the ENR process(or as jonesy calls it E M R, sorry couldn't help myself--
I just looked through the book and see no mention of ENR or EMR. Still, Jones is not is a film technician, he's simply an Argento fan. Perhaps you can refer me to the text where Jones gets it wrong. Not that it makes any difference, I fail to see how typing a wrong character suggests "he knows fuck all about film". Was it on the commentary? Seems like an easy mistake to make anyway. In fact, I've already forgotten it :D
Crystal Plumage
08-19-2005, 09:59 PM
OK, this sucks... the movie isn't uncut? Does an uncut version exist on DVD anywhere? If not then I will get the AB version, otherwise the other version.The Medusa disc is incut but in Italian only.
If you don't go for the AB one you should go for the one in my previous link. (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews15/trauma.htm)
Amazon.co.uk carries it and alot of other British onliners too.
It's 2:40.1, anamorphic, and an excellent quality print.
This is really all I care about. Honestly, I think Trauma sucks, and longer murder scenes will not make it any better. I'd just like to see Dario's composition in widescreen, and that's about it.
killit
08-20-2005, 05:00 AM
-- The film used the ENR process(or as jonesy calls it E M R, sorry couldn't help myself--
I just looked through the book and see no mention of ENR or EMR. Still, Jones is not is a film technician, he's simply an Argento fan. Perhaps you can refer me to the text where Jones gets it wrong. Not that it makes any difference, I fail to see how typing a wrong character suggests "he knows fuck all about film". Was it on the commentary? Seems like an easy mistake to make anyway. In fact, I've already forgotten it :D
It's on the commentary mate, not a typo, just retarded. If you don't know what your talking about, then why talk about it? Yea, he knows fuck all about film. Haha, I just can't help it, you'll defend him to the death. :lol:
Crystal Plumage
08-20-2005, 10:43 AM
Now,here we are.This is basically the review that will be posted @ DVD Times pretty soon.Be warned it doesn't sound good!!:
Trauma (US DVD)
Anchor Bay's new DVD of Trauma arrived this morning. I'm afraid I have nothing but bad news to report all around.
Like The Card Player, this is an interlaced transfer, but unlike The Card Player, it borders on unwatchable on my HD display (I haven't been able to try this on an interlaced set). It looks unfocused, there is ghosting and strobing everywhere... Essentially, this only looks a tiny bit better than the dreaded Tartan DVD. If you want to see this film with good quality, get the new UK release by Optimum instead.
As was expected, the cut provided here has not been extended in any way, despite Anchor Bay's earlier promises - this is just the same standard English-language cut that has appeared on every DVD release except the Italian one.
The deleted scenes: the only scenes included are the ones that were present on the Italian DVD - i.e. no alternate introduction for Aura, David and Grace, and no extended gore. These scenes are presented in Italian with burned-in subtitles (aside from the odd establishing lines in English), and they look like they were taken from a VHS tape. No context is given to the scenes - they are just provided in one long (or rather, short) reel, one after the other.
I haven't listened to the Alan Jones commentary or watched the documentary yet - I'm sure they'll be great - but words cannot express how angry I am with Anchor Bay. This release is nothing but a disappointment. They managed to screw up not once but twice, taking two highly sought-after Argento titles and running them through the grinder. For Trauma, the situation is all the more infuriating, because you can clearly see all the shortcuts made. I hate to say it, but I've lost an awful lot of respect for this DVD company.
Basically what I was afraid of after reading the Cartaio review :(.
So now this means I have to find the Optimum release somewhere cheap :D.
dwatts
08-20-2005, 12:51 PM
-- If you don't know what your talking about, then why talk about it? Yea, he knows fuck all about film. Haha, I just can't help it, you'll defend him to the death.--
:lol: You're missing the point, I'm not defending him - why would anyone bother? I'm simply amused that you insist on making general statements about nothing significant :D
You obviously have some envy thing going on - no big deal for me. I am sure Mr. Jones can defend himself :)
For the record, actors, driectors, and a slew of others make mistakes on commentaries all the time - I hardly think we can extrapolate they "know nothing about film" - but then, when you're envious, things look way worse than they truly are :)
-- Essentially, this only looks a tiny bit better than the dreaded Tartan DVD--
This is the issue I have with that review. The tartan disc isn't reference, but it's surprisingly good. Hardly "dreaded". It can be bettered for sure, but I'm not even considering upgrading unless I see the next disc for a couple bucks....
dwatts
08-20-2005, 01:02 PM
-- If you don't know what your talking about, then why talk about it? Yea, he knows fuck all about film. Haha, I just can't help it, you'll defend him to the death.--
:lol: You're missing the point, I'm not defending him - why would anyone bother? I'm simply amused that you insist on making general statements about nothing significant :D
You obviously have some envy thing going on - no big deal for me. I am sure Mr. Jones can defend himself :)
For the record, actors, driectors, and a slew of others make mistakes on commentaries all the time - I hardly think we can extrapolate they "know nothing about film" - but then, when you're envious, things look way worse than they truly are :)
-- Essentially, this only looks a tiny bit better than the dreaded Tartan DVD--
This is the issue I have with that review. The tartan disc isn't reference, but it's surprisingly good. Hardly "dreaded". It can be bettered for sure, but I'm not even considering upgrading unless I see the next disc for a couple bucks....
DVD Connoisseur
08-20-2005, 06:46 PM
Watched Anchor Bay's Trauma last night and found the quality of the presentation rather pleasing.
Guess I'm in the minority... :o (I'm afraid I'd only caught the film on television before and this presentation was 500% better than the version I'd watched previously.)
For £9.99 delivered, I thought the package was good value for money. The only thing that really weed me off was the damn security stickers that made a real mess of the case.
killit
08-21-2005, 12:11 AM
[QUOTE=dwatts]-- If you don't know what your talking about, then why talk about it? Yea, he knows fuck all about film. Haha, I just can't help it, you'll defend him to the death.--
:lol: You're missing the point, I'm not defending him - why would anyone bother? I'm simply amused that you insist on making general statements about nothing significant :D It was just an example, one example.
You obviously have some envy thing going on - no big deal for me. I am sure Mr. Jones can defend himself :) Then why are you doing it? I have no idea what the envy thing is, or what you're going on about?
For the record, actors, driectors, and a slew of others make mistakes on commentaries all the time - I hardly think we can extrapolate they "know nothing about film" - but then, when you're envious, things look way worse than they truly are :) Seriously are you kidding? I mean it's kinda fun doing this with you, but seriously you're grasping at straws. You're totally making an ass out of yourself and I'm just taking the piss. Unlike you I come on this board, cause I respect others opinions and unlike you I don't disrespect myself by suggesting that others would be envious of devoting ones life towards commentary on anothers life and profession. I and I think most don't envy that.
If you want to insult me, just grow some balls and do it. This was never about insulting you, it was a about sharing information. I'm not writing a book about jones or you, I don't need to reference shit. Any answers I've given you in this thread have been cause I'm a nice guy. I'm getting the impression that you think people come here cause, they're losers and can't get published. Some of us come here cause we like it. Not because we have nothing better to do.
dwatts
08-21-2005, 12:27 AM
Dude, chill out. I've not done any attacking here, you have. If I wanted to insult you, I'd have done it by now.
DVD Connoisseur, have you compared the new disc with the older Tartan one?
killit
08-21-2005, 12:40 AM
I attacked who exactly? BTW if you think you're being respectful, you should really examine your posts. They read as if you're just trying to criticize me, the critique is not of me, but the dvd. I'm not angry, I just don't know where you are coming from.
dwatts
08-21-2005, 12:44 AM
-- BTW if you think you're being respectful, you should really examine your posts.--
Dude, take it to PM if you must. I wouldn't say I was being "respectful" to you, only that I wasn't attacking you. I'm indifferent, just laughing at your making wild accusations about Alan Jones, who happens to have written a pretty definitive tome on Argento. Or at least, I've not read a better one. Anyone who suggest he's knows "nothing about film" is just way off. he might had made errors, but knows nothing?
I'm not "coming from" anywhere. Still, it's not a discussion for general consumption, so if you want to debate it, PM is the way to go.
I won this at Horrorfind tonight. I had never seen this film before so I have no basis for comparison on the cut footage. Needless to say I thought it was a decent film and the transfer was great.
killit
08-21-2005, 06:21 PM
I like it cause it's weird, I love all the seance scenes. "HE WASSSN'T THE FIRST AND HE WON'T BE THE LASSST!" It's OTT, but in an absolutely brilliant way, and Asia's performance is awesome, it's really different. The credits scene is awesome too I love it. Yea, and IT IS interlaced.
DVD Connoisseur
08-21-2005, 10:29 PM
DVD Connoisseur, have you compared the new disc with the older Tartan one?
Sorry, 'fraid not. I was holding out for the AB release.
The Chaostar
08-23-2005, 12:39 AM
I attacked who exactly? BTW if you think you're being respectful, you should really examine your posts. They read as if you're just trying to criticize me, the critique is not of me, but the dvd. I'm not angry, I just don't know where you are coming from.
Killit, this is really over the edge. First of all, what's wrong with someone criticizing you when he thinks you're wrong? Second of all, Alan Jones is a film critic, not a film technician, and third, none tried to insult you nowhere in this thread. Your knee-jerk reaction has left me stupified and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Anyway, Dwatts (with whom I rarely agree, but I like to EXCHANGE different views with - that's the point of posting on a F O R U M) is right when he suggests that you are making general statements about nothing significant. What's your problem with Jones? I'm sure most people here would like to know.
killit
08-23-2005, 07:41 AM
Chaostar, I have no vendetta against jones, I was simply stating my opinion on his contribution to this disc. Dwatts and me, have worked it out privately, and agree that no real feelings were involved. What's so funny, is that, dwatts has never really rubbed me wrong. My comments about jones are valid and were jokingly over the top. I was a film critic for two years, and I was taught it was essential to know the technical aspects as well as theory. Yeah, I went to film school and yes, I've worked a lot with film but I happen to agree. What I do agree with dwatts, is plenty, one point being, that Argento isn't represented well enough in print. Jones' book adds to argento's exposure, even if it is almost entirely directed at an established fanbase. As far as that goes I absoluetly agree, does it make him untouchable, absolutely not. I did not go the extra mile with the review, it was done as a blurb, and was suppose to be funny, nor did i expect or prepare to deal with so many questions. I do ask you, what Jones contributes to the genre, leaves him untouchable. But the scores and scores of dvds Anchor bay and Shreik Show have brought you, you abandon them and dismiss them at the drop of a hat or in this case an interlaced transfer. I respect your opinion chaostar, and maybe you undertand or maybe you don't. I've respected everyone enough to answer, even when honestly, I didn't care to. I want to lay this to rest. DVD discussion go on, but the other is way too intense, especially for a message board.
tobaccoman
08-23-2005, 11:12 AM
You go girl! *snap, snap*!
Crystal Plumage
08-23-2005, 12:01 PM
And the DVD discussion goes on :):
Here's a comparison....for all.....to see.......:
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/dvdimage-trauma.html
The Chaostar
08-23-2005, 02:15 PM
Chaostar, I have no vendetta against jones, I was simply stating my opinion on his contribution to this disc. Dwatts and me, have worked it out privately, and agree that no real feelings were involved. What's so funny, is that, dwatts has never really rubbed me wrong. My comments about jones are valid and were jokingly over the top. I was a film critic for two years, and I was taught it was essential to know the technical aspects as well as theory. Yeah, I went to film school and yes, I've worked a lot with film but I happen to agree. What I do agree with dwatts, is plenty, one point being, that Argento isn't represented well enough in print. Jones' book adds to argento's exposure, even if it is almost entirely directed at an established fanbase. As far as that goes I absoluetly agree, does it make him untouchable, absolutely not. I did not go the extra mile with the review, it was done as a blurb, and was suppose to be funny, nor did i expect or prepare to deal with so many questions. I do ask you, what Jones contributes to the genre, leaves him untouchable. But the scores and scores of dvds Anchor bay and Shreik Show have brought you, you abandon them and dismiss them at the drop of a hat or in this case an interlaced transfer. I respect your opinion chaostar, and maybe you undertand or maybe you don't. I've respected everyone enough to answer, even when honestly, I didn't care to. I want to lay this to rest. DVD discussion go on, but the other is way too intense, especially for a message board.
None is untouchable (and I like ART OF DARKNESS more). The thing that bugged me is that you seemed quite biased but I didn't get that you were supposed to be funny. Ok, point taken then! :)
zombi3
08-23-2005, 11:37 PM
What's the deal with AB and interlaced transfers recently? It doesn't really affect me since I don't have an HD setup, but it doesn't seem to make sense for AB to suddenly go interlaced, especially with all the heat SS got for the same thing.
killit
08-24-2005, 02:41 AM
You go girl! *snap, snap*!
:lol:
WesReviews
08-24-2005, 06:11 AM
Cut version? No sale here.
I'm afraid things like this will now be the norm for Anchor Bay. Michael Felsher is no longer with the company, and thus...they just don't seem to care anymore. (I mean, anyone catch that cover art for the Day of the Dead sequel?)
Fact of the matter is, when Anchor Bay screws up a Dario release...in the worst possible way for horror fans...it's truly a sad time to be a horror fan.
Their ship is slowly sinking.
J-Dub
08-24-2005, 09:03 AM
How do the dvd's compare to the laserdisc. Is the laser the complete uncut version?
Cut version? No sale here.
I'm afraid things like this will now be the norm for Anchor Bay. Michael Felsher is no longer with the company, and thus...they just don't seem to care anymore. (I mean, anyone catch that cover art for the Day of the Dead sequel?)
Fact of the matter is, when Anchor Bay screws up a Dario release...in the worst possible way for horror fans...it's truly a sad time to be a horror fan.
Their ship is slowly sinking.
Odd, Felsher was at Horrorfind, representing AB. He was there with another guy, though.
betterdan
08-24-2005, 05:04 PM
That other guy was Tom Bambard.
Joni Backman
08-25-2005, 09:36 AM
How do the dvd's compare to the laserdisc. Is the laser the complete uncut version?
If you mean the LD released in the early 90's (unwatchable P&S with poor picture quality), it's the same version as this Anchor Bay DVD. English spoken international version, same as French and both UK DVDs.
Longer version hasn't been released anywhere in English. The Italian DVD (Cecchi Gori, not Medusa) is about four minutes longer. There is a workprint around which is even longer and in English.
Crystal Plumage
08-25-2005, 11:09 AM
There is a workprint around which is even longer and in English.And if all works well,we will be able to download those additional scenes from darkdreams.org!:banana:
I'll provide links when I have 'em.
Surge92
08-25-2005, 02:27 PM
The Medusa disc is incut but in Italian only.
If you don't go for the AB one you should go for the one in my previous link. (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews15/trauma.htm)
Amazon.co.uk carries it and alot of other British onliners too.I'm not sure if I'm going to get this movie, but just out of curiosity, is the Optimum DVD uncut?
MartinD1
08-25-2005, 04:46 PM
From: Trauma AKA Dario Argento's Trauma (1993)
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=2870
CUTS:
- R0 United Kingdom - (Tartan) - 102 min (PAL). Shorter version. All previous cuts waived.
- R2 United Kingdom - (Optimum) - 102:06 min (PAL). Shorter version. All previous cuts waived.
- R2 Italy - (Cecchi Gori Home Video) - 106 min (PAL): This is the longer Italian version. It includes approximately four minutes of additional scenes that were deleted from the English language prints. These include:
-A new scene features Grace visiting David at the TV station and asking him about Aura; David invites Grace to his house and then calls Aura at home to ask her if she needs any food; Aura lies to him and tells she's already eaten.
-Aura visits a market and is spotted by Dr. Judd (Frederic Forrest), who tries to catch her.
-David checks into a hotel after following Linda Quirk's car and asks for a room overlooking the parking lot.
-An extension of the scene where Dr. Judd gives Aura the berries and she hallucinates. After she passes out, he picks up her bracelet off the floor, and in the shorter version, it cuts directly from him picking up the bracelt to the big orderly taking Aura to her room.
**These additional scenes can be found from the "workprint", in English (not released on DVD yet):
-A new introduction of the Aura and David characters: David (Chris Rydell) drives Grace (Laura Johnson) at the airport and sees Aura (Asia Argento) being beaten by a man whose plane ticket she tried to steal.
-After David and Aura escape from the Marigold, she tells him she's taken a little souvenir from Nurse Volkmann's purse; another new shot shows the Marigold's owner talking to the police.
-David asks for information about Dr. Lloyd in a saloon.
-After David calls Grace and asks her for prescription forms, she meets and confronts him, trying to make him face the fact that he's become a junkie.
(Thank you to Vincent Pereira for the additional info)
But: Italian -release has only Italian audio/subtitles (unlike most of Argento's films, Trauma was shot in English with no post-dubbing).
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