SAW 3 --- Discussion

[baggio]

I didn't really see this posted anywhere. Sorry if it was already started.

Anyway:

Anybody interested in this film opening on the 27th. ?
Could be decent, then again I know not a lot of people like the series.
That opening scene looked pretty good on those awards show the other night.

trailer & info (like you wouldn't figure it out)

http://www.saw3.com/


I also know which was mention before on some thread that the Saw II: Uncut Edition is comming out on the 24th. Nice tie in with part 3, huh?

[satans-sadists]

I thought Saw II had a weak ending that made me roll my eyes.

[Workshed]

Baggio, I do not get your tastes! You bagged on Hostel, yet you are interested in freakin' Saw III? Are you mad, man! :lol: This looks like shite!

"You don't appreciate that you are alive so I am going to try to kill you! RARGH!"

3 films of this?

3?

Ha ha ha!

hope you get that I am joking here

[bigdaddyhorse]

I've enjoyed both Saw outtings so far, so I'll go and see this.
My GF loves these movies more than me, so much that she drove directly to Hollywood last weekend after seeing the trailer for "Are You Scared" on another dvd.:lol:
AYS was pretty week and neither of us really enjoyed it much, but Saw always brings the goods. "Oh yes, there will be blood!"

[maskull]

The first one was goofy but funny because of it. The second one I enjoyed as a horror film. Here's hoping #3 improves even more. I'm sure I'll rent it eventually.

[ReNeGaDe]

Saw 2 was terrible!!!! the trailer to this is pretty intense, and it looks like more torture, so i will check it out.

[onebyone]

I hated Saw when I first saw it, but came to love it for the cheese provided by one Cary Elwes. Saw 2 was a pretty good straight-up horror movie. Not perfect, but fun just the same. What is Saw 3 going to be like? I have no idea, but I will check it out opening weekend.

[baggio]

Baggio, I do not get your tastes! You bagged on Hostel, yet you are interested in freakin' Saw III? Are you mad, man! :lol: This looks like shite!

"You don't appreciate that you are alive so I am going to try to kill you! RARGH!"

3 films of this?

3?

Ha ha ha!

hope you get that I am joking here

I realized you were teasing, no problem.

So are you going to see Saw 3 or wait for Saw 4? :D I hear that in Saw 4 the victims have to race against time to play a mean game of Jenga. Loser has to clean up. :lol:

[BloodMan]

Gee... what kind of twist ending are they going to throw at us this time?... I shit on this...
:)

[aoiookami]

"You don't appreciate that you are alive so I am going to try to kill you! RARGH!"


that always urked me about the series as well. It's as bad as the 'I'm not a murderer.' part of it too.

[KR~!]

I might end up seeing this by mistake like Saw 2 and 1.

I was dragged into it.

[Workshed]

I realized you were teasing, no problem.

So are you going to see Saw 3 or wait for Saw 4? :D I hear that in Saw 4 the victims have to race against time to play a mean game of Jenga. Loser has to clean up. :lol:

:lol:

that always urked me about the series as well. It's as bad as the 'I'm not a murderer.' part of it too.

Yeah, that's my only real problem with the series. "I've never killed anybody..." Unfortunately, we have to hear it about 10 times per film, and it's complete bullshit. I look at these films as the Jackass of Horror. You know, you go to get squeamish. "What kind of messed up crap is going to happen to this guy, I wonder? Chew a key out of his best friend's testicle to unlock the door to the cage that he's in, but in order to get out he has to step over babies wrapped in razor-wire?" Hey, why not? They're fun, but I wonder how much steam they have left. I'll rent it for sure.

[Anthropophagus]

This series is merely average to me. I really hope they retire it after this third installment.

[_pi_]

I thought the first one was enjoyable with some creepy moments. I really disliked Saw II. I don't care much for seeing the third film, but I guess I'll check it out one day.

[Nemesis]

i thought the 1st was ok too... but i never got around to seeing part 2... so i'm not too interested in this at all.. maybe i should check out the 2nd one

[Tien21]

I am a fan of this series. It's entertaining, and I really liked how they were able to really tie Saw 1 and 2 together, even though I don't beleive Saw was made with the idea of a sequel in mind. I really wish Saw 3 was the best of the 3, and they end it there, but it won't happen. Lionsgate will milk this series dry unfortunately. Too bad because I think this would make one hell of a horror trilogy of the new millenium.

Saw 3 has a bigger budget than 1 and 2 combined so it probably will have some good torture scenes. I am just skeptical of the plot knowing that Jigsaw will be in Saw 4 if 3 is a success (it will be). Heres hoping that even though they will keep going with this series, it somehow doesn't get too desperate. Something tells me that Saw 3 won't be as successful as 2 was.

[Hellbilly]

I like 1 & 2 and will check out 3. I can see Lionsgate doing 4 and 5 back to back for the video market if 3 isn't a success, or, 4 going theatrical if 3 turns out to be a box office smash like 2. Either way, I predict lots of Saw sequels in the future ....

[othervoice1]

I thought the first one was pretty awful- so I never checked out the 2nd one- and the 3rd?...come on does this series really warrant a 3rd installment?

[onebyone]

I thought the first one was pretty awful- so I never checked out the 2nd one- and the 3rd?...come on does this series really warrant a 3rd installment?

Saw's Budget: (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=saw.htm) $1.2 million
Saw's Worldwide Gross: $102,917,772

Saw 2's Budget: (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=saw2.htm) $4 million
Saw 2's Worldwide Gross: $144,102,055

Fiscally, hell yeah this series warrants a 3rd installment. Artistically, we will see, but I don't blame them for making another one.

[allmessedup]

I'll rent it like I did the first two. I think the premise is pretty limited, and it was starting to wear out its welcome by the end of the 2nd one, so I'm not really expecting much from the third film.

[baggio]

In my opinion I thought the "twist" to the first Saw was great. I can't believe anyone saw that coming. It was really that good. In fact even if Saw was bloodless, it still would be a pretty good film. So the acting was from Cary was a little over the top. So what? I'm a huge fan of his, so if it wasn't forced down my throat that his acting was over from just about every critic. I probably wouldn't have noticed. He acts like that in just about every movie.
I thought the writer (of the film)was decent in the film. Not bad for someone that barely acted before.

Not that this means a guarantee for a part 4 & 5 but it is a fact that Lionsgate owns the registering rites to sites saw4.com and saw5.com

[baggio]

opens today. Anyone going? Myself, I'm not sure. Might have to wait for a rental.

[MorallySound]

I'm probably going tonight or tomorrow.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Juts made plans to go tonight.

[maskull]

I'm supposed to be going next weekend. I wasn't planning on seeing this in theatres but I was invited so what the heck?

[SpaceAce]

I just got back from seeing this movie. I thought it was pretty boring. It seemed too predictable and dramatic in places. It didn't have any real creepy/scary scenes. Obviously without giving anything away, there is only so much you can do with the "games" and such. The "games" were somewhat intresting but seemed to convey nothing new or interesting to me. Just for comparison, I enjoyed the first movie. I thought it was rather original, had some good creepy scenes and had a good twist at the end. I thought the second one was average. Nothing great but not awful. Part 3 is easily the worst one of the three as far as I am concerned. I really wanted to like the movie, but it just seemed tired and not all that interesting. It had a good and logical direction and progression for jigsaw, but it just seemed to lack the punch to make it a good movie. Some of the backstory and flashbacks etc were nice, but overall I just didn't like it that much. Just thought I would share my opinion...

[bigdaddyhorse]

I just got back from seeing it as well. I enjoyed it although I'm left confused at a few things, the most of which being where the series is going now.
This started out really strong then kinda lost it during the second act, and the thrid act raised more questions than it answered.
If you like the first 2, I would think you'd like this as well.

[fridayfan13]

just got back from the theater. now, im not the biggest saw fan. i liked the first one, got a little enjoyment out of the second, but i was totally blown away by this. first things first: how the fuck did this get a R ? i don't want to spoil anything, but let me just say that if you want to go to the movies and see a gore fest, look no further. i pride myself on having a really sick mind, but i couldn't come up with the shit you would see here. Acting was top notch, especially Tobin. i do have to admit that the middle of the film tends to slow down a little, but the moment you notice this happening, it speeds up. the ending...........i suspected some of it. no matter what, i left satisfied, and id expect saw fans to enjoy this. its my favorite of all three. i really hope that this is it though. keeping this as a trilogy really works well, especially when you see how everything comes together at the end.

[MorallySound]

I just got back from this. It was pretty bad. Saw III relies too much on the 'game' rather than the story. And when it does go into story mode, it asks way too many questions to try to make more 'new' twists. It fails. Sure, this Saw is without a doubt the goriest Saw movie. When Det. Eric Matthews smashes his foot with the toilet lid and then breaks it, that was pretty rad and grotesque. And the whole liquified pig scene was pretty gross. And the twisting of the drunk driver's limbs had me cringe a couple times. But other than delivering the gore and violence, it delivers nothing but the same old flashy flash back scenes. This movie has too many dizzy flash back scenes for its own good. Actually, let me rephrase that, it shouldn't have any at all. But it happens to have them in spades.... blah. Enough with the dizzy, "we're going to solve the puzzle now, cause our camera is circling you and the screen is flashing" flash back scenes! You overused it in Saw and Saw II, and this time you triple the useage. Anyway, back to the review of the story. In my opinion, the way they try to solve the riddles completely ruins the first Saw film. I thought the original Saw was very well done, and a thoughtful suspense/horror film. Saw II, while suprisingly better than I expected it to be, but still not very good, at least expanded the story in a fair enough manner. But now it just seems that there HAS to be a twist, and that "Ha-ha! You're in the 'game' and you didn't know it, and I was testing you." bullshit really drags this movie down. It was the same scene over and over, just with different characters. Anyway, Saw III is the worst of the series; lack of story, too many twists, way too many flashbacks, makes it pretty forgetful. But yes, there will be blood. 2 out of 5.

[dmeister]

"I never killed anyone... The bomb I strapped to their skull, on the other hand, killed the fuck out of 'em."

dmeister

[Cujo108]

I didn't like it. Truth be told, I got pretty bored with it pretty fast. Everything here seemed tired. At least the second one was fun. This was not. And I agree, the little twist at the end was lame. The first two aren't rewatchable enough for me, but this one's barely watchable, period.

[Roo]

just got back from the theater. now, im not the biggest saw fan. i liked the first one, got a little enjoyment out of the second, but i was totally blown away by this. first things first: how the fuck did this get a R ? i don't want to spoil anything, but let me just say that if you want to go to the movies and see a gore fest, look no further. i pride myself on having a really sick mind, but i couldn't come up with the shit you would see here. Acting was top notch, especially Tobin. i do have to admit that the middle of the film tends to slow down a little, but the moment you notice this happening, it speeds up. the ending...........i suspected some of it. no matter what, i left satisfied, and id expect saw fans to enjoy this. its my favorite of all three. i really hope that this is it though. keeping this as a trilogy really works well, especially when you see how everything comes together at the end.

I'm with you on this. I enjoyed the movie and the ending, but then again I enjoyed High Tension also. :D

[onebyone]

The Saw story has always been thin, and maybe it was better that way. The efforts to make this one some big meaningful moral melodrama came across more like "blah, blah, blah, blah, bull shit, blah, blah, blah, bull shit, bull shit, bull shit." Jigsaw sincerely and oh so verbosely trying to teach us life lessons was just tough to take this go around. I know a killer when I see one, and you Jigsaw are a killer. Deal with it.

The movie was further hampered because the main guy they were playing a game with wasn't anything close to a bad guy. He didn't deserve all that at all. Having his one remaining kid likely die because he wasn't forgiving enough of Jigsaw was just ridiculous. The movie and the entire ending really just made me want to yell "Fuck you Jigsaw. You suck." No wonder Amanda couldn't hack it. If I had to hear all that bull shit 24/7, I would be cutting myself and killing others too. Christ. It all served to make me miss this guy, a true killer's killer:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0002JP572.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

However, I will admit that some individual scenes, like the beginning and the judge in the pig juice pit worked. Some flashbacks were helpful and interesting, although others seemed like they were desperately trying to fill plot loopholes from Saw movies past. The highlight for me was poor freezer girl, which may have been worth the price of admission alone. That scene was very well done. It actually gave me the chills, so that's something good. I am not sure how to rate this yet. How much do the good scenes outweigh the ending and all the endless chatter, both of which caused me to want to bitch slap Jigsaw? I got to think on it.

[onebyone]

And it easily wins the box office: (http://www.boxofficeguru.com/weekend.htm)

Saw III ripped into theaters and cut up an estimated $34.3M in ticket sales in its debut frame scoring the biggest opening for an R-rated film in nearly two and a half years. The brutal Jigsaw pic crushed the competition averaging a brutal $10,830 from 3,167 theaters and grossed more than the next four films combined. Lionsgate continued to grow its low budget October franchise. The first Saw opened this weekend in 2004 to $18.3M and reached $55.2M while its sequel bowed a year later to $31.7M on its way to $87M. Saw III, which was reportedly produced for only $12M, is already off to a stronger start with an opening that was 8% bloodier than its predecessor's. The distrib also set new company records for both widest release and biggest opening weekend gross.

The latest installment of the Saw series got off to a potent start on Friday grossing $14.4M before tumbling 21% on Saturday to $11.4M. A Friday-to-Saturday drop is not uncommon for heavily-hyped horror sequels. Sunday sales are estimated to dip only 25% to $8.5M. No R pic has opened this well since Brad Pitt's epic Troy with $46.9M in May 2004. Based on the history of the franchise with Halloween providing a boost, but subsequent weekends dropping hard, the torture trilogy could boost its combined domestic tally to a stunning $230M. Combined production budgets amount to less than one-tenth of that figure. Lionsgate has no plans to shut down its cash machine and is developing Saw IV for a Halloween 2007 release.

:eek2:

I am not real sure how that's going to happen, but alas, I am sure they will think of something.

[Noto]

Perhaps seeing Saw III without having seen Saw II was an incredibly dumb move on my part, but as anyone I've ever dated can tell you, I make dumb moves all the time.

How the hell did freezer girl get sucked into this. I mean that literally because:
If she was a witness, but never owned up to it, than how the hell would Jigsaw, Amanda, Jeff, or fucking anyone even know she exists, let alone be connected. Besides, what exactly did she witness? A drunk driver hit a kid. Like that couldn't be determined. Like a witness would matter. The drunk driver was convicted - OBVIOUSLY they knew he was guilty. It isn't as though there was a lengthy investigation.

I did dig...
Amanda's emotional breakdown though. Sure it was predictable, but it was still fun to watch.

I have zero clue how this got an R rating though. Zero clue.

[krugerkid13]

Found this to be the best of the 3 but not a fan of the series (my old lady likes them so I had to watch the last 2 because of her)

[dmeister]

I was glad they all died.

dmeister

[Workshed]

"I never killed anyone... The bomb I strapped to their skull, on the other hand, killed the fuck out of 'em."



:lol: :lol:

This is why I will wait for a rental.

[MorallySound]

Also, how in the hell did Freezer Girl freeze so quickly? One second she's just doused in a little bit of water, then the guy grabs the key, then the next she is covered in an inch thick layer of ice???? I know that thing WASN'T dousing her in liquid nitrogen 'cause it was still spraying stuff when the guy taps her frozen face. So it had to be just water. That was just stupid, totally unrealistic, and ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as when Tom Cruise jumps that 20-foot gap in M:I III when just two minutes later he ran across the part to the left of the gap that is STILL INTACT! What a douche!

[ReNeGaDe]

i thought it was total exploitation, and a terrible movie


SPOILER







the twistsing scene was wrong

[fceurich39]

now get this www.davisdvd.com has this listed to be released on
1-23-07
i highly doubt it but if it is true i only hope lions gate releases 2 versions of this instead of doing like they did with both part 1 and 2

[BloodMan]

They did release 2 versions of the first 2 films... what? I sometimes wonder about you fceurich39...

[fceurich39]

They did release 2 versions of the first 2 films... what? I sometimes wonder about you fceurich39...

no what i mean is an uncut special edition and a standard edition dvd at the same time rather than making us double dip releasing a 2 disc dvd down the road i have both versions of each film on dvd

[bigdaddyhorse]

Of course they're gonna keep double dipping these. I wouldn't doubt that the second or thrid wasn't even cut when it went to theaters, but LG can always throw in a bit more blood and call it uncut to sell more dvds. That's why I'll just keep renting the first versions, then buying the uncut ones used down the road (although I did bu ythe uncut 1 day of since the cover was sweet, and it had the ticket to part 2. I would've bought 2 uncut if it had a ticket to 3, but it didn't so I'm waiting for Gamestop to get one in).

BTW, to anyone who did buy the uncut Saw II, did it come with any inserts (chapter card, ads, etc.)?

[onebyone]

no what i mean is an uncut special edition and a standard edition dvd at the same time rather than making us double dip releasing a 2 disc dvd down the road i have both versions of each film on dvd

Seeing as they are planning another one to be released in October of next year, I would expect the DVD release schedule to stay exactly the same.


BTW, to anyone who did buy the uncut Saw II, did it come with any inserts (chapter card, ads, etc.)?

Not a damn thing.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Not a damn thing.

Thanks. I hate when I find a disc at the used stores and it's missing inserts, I won't have to worry about this one (or most newer releases for that matter).:)

[Peter Vincent]

I kinda sorta agree with Puddytay. It wasn't "scary" by any means (I found the 1st one to have more "scary" or "creepy" elements). This one was really trying to go overboard with all the gore...lots of moments to try and make U close your eyes. I didn't particularly like the use of the pig faces in this one. It would show the pigface behind a door or something, only to have the camera get all zany and not really scare U like the 1st one did.

Still, the "twist" was good. Its one thing I will give the Saw movies, they always have a decent twist to them (though I kinda saw THIS one coming), unlike the dreck that Scream 2 & 3 tried to keep recreating after the 1st one (the "whodunnit?" phenomenon).

[Tien21]

I agree with Saw 3 being a jumbled mess. I left it thinking it had some great gore, but the story did not flow well. The twist ending closed the door on some of the things previously thought of as plotholes, but then opened the door to new ones. Still it was good enough that I would be satisfied of they ended the series here. It's all downhill from here sadly.

[_pi_]

Hmmm ... well I liked it more than Saw 2, but that isn't really saying much since I hated that film.

I must admit, some of the gore was cool and I was never bored. Buuuut ... I really, really hate the editing in these films. Gives me headaches. And the endless flashbacks were awful. Plus, in the end, things had gotten so ridiculously convoluted and overdone that I couldn't take any of it seriously.

Also, the different storylines were so badly written together that you never felt for any of the characters and never rooted for anyone. There was really no one leading the film so the audiences have no one to follow. It's like three different short films spliced together to make one feature length movie.

And am I correct in understanding that there will definately be a Saw 4? Because we can't really have a little girl locked away in a room with limited air supply without seeing how she gets rescued! Ughhh ... what a great way to pull the audiences in for the next film ... :rolleyes:

So, if you liked Saw 2, then you'll probably enjoy this. If you didn't, well then there's not much else to say.

[Livingdead102]

The movie was further hampered because the main guy they were playing a game with wasn't anything close to a bad guy. He didn't deserve all that at all. Having his one remaining kid likely die because he wasn't forgiving enough of Jigsaw was just ridiculous.

That struck me as odd too. Then I remembered that Jigsaw is a murdering psychopath. Remember, this crazy person with a head full of tumor and pain killers is supposed to be the bad guy.

I enjoyed the movie, but the more I think about it the less I like it. I'll just be happy with having liked it the first time I saw it, content with the knowledge that my Saw-junkie girlfriend will most likely buy it when it's released on DVD (in case I ever want to watch it again).