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chrishicks
10-28-2006, 04:03 AM
title says it all. what was the best Elite player?

Sam
10-28-2006, 04:52 AM
It depends on who you ask. I've owned the CLD-D704 (non-elite), LD-S2, CLD-97, and CLD-99 and personally prefer the 97. There are a number of esoteric boutique players out of Japan such as the LD-S9, HLD-X9, and HLD-X0 that while incredible are extremely expensive and out of reach for 99% of LD users ranging in price from $1800 to $5000+. The 99/704 have a bright, sharp picture at the expensive of very visible noise, while the S2/97 I mentioned are a little softer but more stable. At this stage in the game I'd probably shoot for the 97 or CLD-D704 and no less, especially if you're using a HDTV or front projection system. On an Analog TV any of these will look fantastic. I watch about one laserdisc a week and the 97 gives me great results, albeit not "perfect LD" standards. There are a number of people on various sites and newsgroups who have much greater knowledge on this than me, but these are my experiences.

CLD-D704: $150-250 range (best bang for the buck. close in quality to the 99)
LD-S2: $400-600 (low noise; single sided. sturdy transport)
CLD-97: $400-600 range (low noise; my favorite)
CLD-99: $600-800 range (sharp; somewhat digital picture)
LD-S9: $1800-2000 range (3 line comb filter; beefed up 99)
HLD-X9: $2500-3000 range (red laser; extremely sharp)
HLD-X0: $3500-5000 range (most sturdy transport; purest colors)

Some of the above are speculations as I haven't seen each player (S9 and onwards). But that's a fair idea.

If you've seen the screencaps from poster NIN on some of the DVD/LD comparison threads, that should give you an idea how nice LD is at its peak - at a (financial) cost.

chrishicks
10-28-2006, 06:23 AM
thanks for the reply. I actually own over 300 LDs and 2 LD players(DVL-909 and DVL-919) but I always wanted to get an Elite model. I have seen the Japanese models but I have no plans of paying those prices. I figured this late in the game I could start looking for one(an Elite) at a great(hopefully) price.

NIN
10-29-2006, 03:43 AM
I think Sam's list is rather good. But I would put it like this.

*HLD-X0...Simple, the best player. 80 lbs pure power and no auto reverse play. I got two ;)
*HLD-X9...Second best. Have little more noise that the X0 and a little more greenish picture, but are really nice.
*R7G...I would say that the newer and cheaper R7G is better than the LD-S9. It have the newest and best comb filter in ANY LD player and will give almost as good image as the X9 on good LD's. But on bad LDs, murky pictures, bad mastring, etc, the X9 and X0 gives a lot better image, because of the better laser, purer signal path, etc. It also has LD-G. You can find this for 800$, maybe cheaper. I would prefer this over the CLD-97 because it's much newer (97-99) and will in most cases be better than the CLD-97.
*CLD-97/LD-S2...Both players have a real low noise floor but both has very old comb filter. Most TV's has better so most times the composite is the better image.
*CLD-99...Rather good comb filter but as I understand, the composite output is not as good as CLD-97.
*CLD-704...Good player that does not cost an arm and a leg.

So if you are willing to pay up to 800$, the R7G is a great player and better than the LD-S9 (less CLV smearing, better comb filter) and newer. I will get one or two R7G for newer LD's with great image, so my HLD-X0 and HLD-X9 can rest sometimes ;)

I will soon get a Entech CVSI-1 (http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Reviews/entech/), that is a external combfilter that changes the composite singal to component. According to some, it has a comb filter better than any of the HLD players, so using this with a player with low noise (LD-S2/CLD-97) maybe can be a real good deal. I will get back when I tried it.

Just seen 3 LDs tonight (Laserblast, Mutator, The World, the Flesh and the Devil), and all gave a really good image even sitting x1,2 from my 100 inch screen, better than many DVD's that have big problems with MPEG2 artifacts at the distance. And with maybe 2000-2500 LD's released in USA not on DVD yet, and maybe...3000-4000+ LD's released in Japan not on DVD yet, there are good reason to still use LD today.

killit
10-29-2006, 04:21 AM
talking laserdisc is like talking porn to me. I had a little over four hundred which I paid on average about eighty bucks for each. Little fuckers creep up on you. I sold my babies for near scraps after I left the country a little after the downfall of LD (no, that is not WHY ileft the country). I don't have a player anymore in fact I have nothing left of my LD era, other than remembering shit like being one of only a handful of people who bough the Rollin living dead girl LD. Anyway, it's awesome still hearing people burning these fuckers up, I will always just fucking love this format and I still crave the picture and sound only Lasers can give.

NIN
10-29-2006, 04:57 AM
other than remembering shit like being one of only a handful of people who bough the Rollin living dead girl LD.


I also got it :D
And I started collection 1999-2000 (have collected before but sold all my disc's) so I have got a very low good price on almost every LD.
:cool:

chrishicks
10-29-2006, 05:55 AM
I had a little over four hundred which I paid on average about eighty bucks for each. A little shy under half a fucking million dollars. How the fuck DID that happen?

I think your math is a bit off.

400 x $100.00 = $40,000.00

Sam
10-29-2006, 06:19 AM
Good call on the R7G! I've nearly forgotten about that model. Seems to be a sleeper from what I've gathered, though again I've never seen it in action. NIN, I'm very curious to hear your results of the Entech as I've thought of adding it into the chain with my 97 and ~700 LDs.

killit
10-29-2006, 08:54 AM
I think your math is a bit off.

400 x $100.00 = $40,000.00

haha, sorry I was just cracking off on like my whole vinyl, ld, dvd, home theatre obssession when I was younger. Yeah, no, not all on LD's, but come on those fuckers were expensive! And on average, wasn't so much my average. Most of my shit was japanese imports, euro imports collectors sets and that was the majority of LD's to genre fans. And that shit was like $500 for the japanese imports of the beyond, possession, shit like that. American box sets were always expensive to, i think I paid 199 for hellraiser for that limited big black box which was really cool, pulp fiction I think was like 150.

NIN
10-29-2006, 09:42 PM
Good call on the R7G! I've nearly forgotten about that model. Seems to be a sleeper from what I've gathered, though again I've never seen it in action. NIN, I'm very curious to hear your results of the Entech as I've thought of adding it into the chain with my 97 and ~700 LDs.


I had it at home two day's and it's a very good machine. I will get me one next year.
I let you know, have high hope's on that one.

Paff
10-30-2006, 02:34 AM
thanks for the reply. I actually own over 300 LDs and 2 LD players(DVL-909 and DVL-919) .

If I'm not mistaken, aren't those the LD/DVD combi players?

I'd always heard they were good players, but slightly compromised for economic reasons. (like all of the final Pioneer players). On the level of the CLD-D606, correct?

I have the 704, having stepped up from one of those 1997-era players (the 406), and the improvement was quite noticeable. I would definitely recommend one, or it's Elite counterpart, the 79. If you can go with a 99 or one of the Japanese models, do it.

Sam
11-01-2006, 06:36 AM
I had the 919 for a couple years and it was a stinker for the price it commands. It's equivalent to either the 604 or 606. If Chris were to fetch $400 or more from that player on the big auction site and use it towards one of the players listed in the thread, he'd probably get a nice step up in performance (like I did).