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Hellbilly
11-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Our final most underrated movie (with 5 votes): The Company Of Wolves! :banana:
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01. Halloween III: Season Of The Witch (1982) 6 votes
02. Let Sleeping Corpses Lie (1974) 6 votes
03. Dagon (2001) 6 votes
04. Deathdream (1974) 11 votes
05. Prince Of Darkness (1987) 6 votes
06. Dead & Buried (1981) 12 votes
07. Valentine (2001) 5 votes
08. The Crazies (1973) 7 votes
09. Messiah Of Evil (1973) 4 votes
10. Hell Night (1981) 5 votes
11. The Company Of Wolves (1984) 5 votes
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The 11 most nominated, but never got enough votes to qualify:
01 20 Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994)
02 18 April Fool's Day (1986)
03 16 Brain Damage (1988)
04 13 Ravenous (1999)
05 11 The Blair Witch Project (1999)
05 11 Phantasm IV: Oblivion (1998)
07 09 Island Of Death (1975)
08 07 Don't Torture A Duckling (1972)
09 06 Spider Baby (1968)
10 04 Mindhunters (2004)
10 04 A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985)
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I hope everyone is happy and agrees with the list! ;)
Unlike that other list that was made a few days ago, I have only seen four of the films on this list - Dead and Buried, Company of Wolves, Valentine and Prince of Darkness. I'm very happy to see them all on this list - especially Valentine. Now I just have to see those other films ... except for The Crazies. I don't know why, but I really don't want to see that film.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I've also seen Dagon. But I guess my forgetfulness regarding that film says something about what I think of it.
Looking over the films that didn't make it, I'm kind of sad that New Nightmare and Mindhunters didn't get further. Both great films.
shithead
11-26-2006, 03:37 PM
a good list...except for valentine, which makes me want to vomit
Katatonia
11-26-2006, 03:41 PM
a good list...except for valentine, which makes me want to vomit
I watched it again recently, and enjoyed it more than the first time I had seen it years ago. I didn't care much at all for it the first time around.
Nothing really new and the film has several plot holes, but if you can overlook that it's not too shabby for a slasher.
RyanPC
11-26-2006, 03:57 PM
I haven't seen Dagon, Dead & Buried, Valentine, or Messiah of Evil and I wasn't impressed with The Company of Wolves or Prince of Darkness, but I love Halloween III, Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, Deathdream, The Crazies, and Hell Night, so it's a solid list. I still wish Don't Torture a Duckling had been voted in, though. :mad:
indiephantom
11-26-2006, 04:41 PM
I haven't seen "Let Sleeping Corpses Lie", "Deathdream", and haven't even heard of "Messiah of Evil" until this thread.
Here's how I rank the others (which are all in my collection)
1. The Company of Wolves
2. Dagon
3. Dead & Buried
4. Halloween III: Season of the Witch
5. Hell Night
6. Prince of Darkness
7. The Crazies
8. Valentine
maskull
11-26-2006, 04:57 PM
... except for The Crazies. I don't know why, but I really don't want to see that film.
I felt that way about that movie too. I just wasn't excited to see it at all. Then I saw it available for download and decided to give it a try. It hooked me in and wouldn't let me stop watching it. I was disappointed that it had to end....
Let's see. I've seen Halloween III, Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, Deathdream, Valentine, The Crazies, Hell Night and The Company Of Wolves. I don't remember Halloween III at all, and I never liked Valentine (but am planning on trying it again). The rest are great movies that deserve to be on the list. I suppose I should check out the others. Never even heard of Messiah Of Evil.
Shame that Ravenous and New Nightmare didn't get in though.
dwatts
11-26-2006, 05:06 PM
So glad Company of Wolves made it. Of the ones up there the following I don't agree with: Halloween III, Dead and Buried, Prince of Darkness.
The others look fair.
17thJuggalo
11-26-2006, 05:59 PM
So are Messiah of Evil, Dagon, Prince of Darkness, and The Company of Wolves worth hunting down? I've heard bad things about Dagon and I've never heard of Messiah of Evil. From the looks of its cover, it looks pretty cheesy.
Agent Z
11-26-2006, 06:00 PM
Oh my! I had forgotten all about The Company of Wolves! Nice choice there!
Thanks to Hellbilly for hosting this, as I have discovered (and rediscovered) some great gems by reading these threads! :)
My apologies to those films that I had thought of including, but ultimately didn't get around to, including...
A Tale of Two Sisters
Magic
American Gothic
Now, it's time to be brave and watch where the Best Remakes (http://www.horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?p=455844#post455844) tournament takes us! :nervous:
satans-sadists
11-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Neither Dagon or Valentine were deserving in my opinion, but the rest of the list was a great assortment of worthy flicks. Especially glad to see Halloween III: Season of the Witch inducted. :D
satans-sadists
11-26-2006, 06:06 PM
Oh my! I had forgotten all about The Company of Wolves! Nice choice there!
Thanks to Hellbilly for hosting this, as I have discovered (and rediscovered) some great gems by reading these threads! :)
My apologies to those films that I had thought of including, but ultimately didn't get around to, including...
A Tale of Two Sisters
Magic
American Gothic
Now, it's time to be brave and watch where the Best Remakes (http://www.horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?p=455844#post455844) tournament takes us! :nervous:
Magic with Anthony Hopkins would have been a great selection! The list could have extended far beyond eleven.
shithead
11-26-2006, 06:29 PM
Yeah hellbilly why not make it 15?:D
Hellbilly
11-26-2006, 06:36 PM
Yeah hellbilly why not make it 15?:D
You just want to see Brain Damage listed :p ;)
In fear of running out of steam or Interest I thought 11 are just fine. Some of Ash's best-of polls suffered from that because they went on too long ...
onebyone
11-26-2006, 07:19 PM
I really think the list is good (save my question mark on Messiah of Evil). I wish some others could have gotten in, but they didn't so the world will keep turning. This was a lot of fun so thanks for running it Billy. I also didn't know there was any Valentine love at all until this poll. I like the movie a lot, so that's good to know.
Cujo108
11-26-2006, 09:43 PM
Very much agree with Prince of Darkness, Dead & Buried, Halloween III, Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, Deathdream, and Valentine. I've never seen Messiah of Evil, hated The Company of Wolves. The rest are okay, nothing more.
allmessedup
11-27-2006, 01:33 AM
Agree: HELL NIGHT, DEATHDREAM, DEAD AND BURIED, LET SLEEPING CORPSES LIE, PRINCE OF DARKNESS
Disagree: DAGON, THE CRAZIES, HALLOWEEN III [only because I think most people like it these days.]
Never seen or don't remember well: MESSIAH OF EVIL, VALENTINE, COMPANY OF WOLVES.
Should-have-beens: RAVENOUS, SPIDER BABY
17thJuggalo
09-17-2009, 03:08 AM
I hate to bring up old threads, but someone should make another voting thread for the most underrated horror flicks. I don't know about you folks, but I discovered alot of movies from these threads that I wouldn't have known about otherwise.
CrazyFatEthel
09-17-2009, 03:43 AM
Anybody care to make new polls to get this rolling?
X-human
09-17-2009, 04:39 AM
...isn't it a counter intuitive to have a popularity contest for things that are underrated? Logically the best candidate wouldn't win.
killit
09-17-2009, 05:12 AM
...isn't it a counter intuitive to have a popularity contest for things that are underrated? Logically the best candidate wouldn't win.
hahaha! tru dat
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 10:38 AM
I especially agree on The Crazies, since when I first saw it- I couldn't stand it. Watched it again last year, for my October Marathon and it was great! I don't know what I missed that first time. Actually I think I do. Knowing the ending ahead of time makes the rest of the movie a lot more compelling. Puts it into perspective.
Also agreed on Hell Night and Deathdream- which is a masterpiece. An utter masterpiece. Dark, uncompromising, epic, tragic, tense, noble. And deserves immediate rediscovery.
Messiah of Evil seems to be in dire need of a quality release and digital re-mastering. Stat. It may be on YouTube.
Company of Wolves is a very polarizing film. It rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It has its' beautiful moments, for sure. But some of it just dooms it to its' current (slightly-)underrated status.
As for the rest of that list: Valentine is run-of-the-mill at best. Prince of Darkness is an underwritten, poorly written, overcooked (in terms of FX) turkey. Pure turkey. And Halloween III... It doesn't deserve the hate it gets. But it doesn't earn the love from others either. It has a few good qualities but not nearly as many as some would believe.
Let Sleeping Corpses Lie is good, not great. Dagon is one good-looking movie, but the CGI more than kills the ending, it literally begins to backtrack and eats the rest of what the movie had going for it. And I haven't seen Dead & Buried yet.
Katatonia
09-17-2009, 10:58 AM
Messiah of Evil seems to be in dire need of a quality release and digital re-mastering. Stat. It may be on YouTube.
Err.. it is coming to DVD (http://horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?t=38038) from Code Red very soon, remastered and with extras. :eek2:
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 11:09 AM
Err.. :eek2:
Are you trying to make some kind of point with these?
maybrick
09-17-2009, 12:45 PM
:lol:
Fistfuck
09-17-2009, 01:33 PM
Are you trying to make some kind of point with these?
Knock it the fuck off and grow up, man. Many people around here are getting sick of your mouth. Leave your negative attitude elsewhere and start acting like part of this community, not like some kind of martyr.
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 01:36 PM
Knock it the fuck off and grow up, man. Many people around here are getting sick of your mouth. Leave your negative attitude elsewhere and start acting like part of this community, not like some kind of martyr.
I don't remember asking you a thing.
Both you and May can :stfu:
captain_brandon
09-17-2009, 02:45 PM
Have ALWAYS loved Return to Oz (1985) starring Fairuza Bulk (of The Craft, Gas Food Lodging, The Worst Witch and American History X fame).
I just recently watched one of my two copies (got both the Disney/Buena Vista version as well as the original Anchor Bay release) the other day, up-converted in my Blu-Ray theater system, and I almost became very emotional, because I always felt it is a beautifully made & woefully mis-understood film that never captured the international audieance all across the planet, or got the type of box-office dough, that it so richly desurved.
A wonderfully underrated film.
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 02:46 PM
Speaking of the lovely and talented Fairuza Balk... I always thought The Craft never got very much respect.
captain_brandon
09-17-2009, 03:06 PM
Speaking of the lovely and talented Fairuza Balk... I always thought The Craft never got very much respect.
Nice choice there. :) It's one of the better genre films of the 1996 film year, I would say. And a more-then-fine non-Slasher instalment of mature feeling youth-oriented horror. It definately desurves a wider audieance. I always dug it for what it is, and felt there was some decent direct-to-video style sequels, with Fairuza's character going mad at the end, in there somewhere. Of course I've said the same thing about Katherine Bigalow's awesome Near Dark (1987), so I playfully have to shrug that I apparently don't know much and be self-depricating about it. ;) Ah well ...
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Nice choice there. :) It's one of the better genre films of the 1996 film year, I would say. And a more-then-fine non-Slasher instalment of mature feeling youth-oriented horror. It definately desurves a wider audieance. I always dug it for what it is, and felt there was some decent direct-to-video style sequels, with Fairuza's character going mad at the end, in there somewhere. Of course I've said the same thing about Katherine Bigalow's awesome Near Dark (1987), so I playfully have to shrug that I apparently don't know much and be self-depricating about it. ;) Ah well ...
I thought it was, other than being very well acted and pretty well written, a good film about the dangers of peer pressure. If Sarah had not cared what people said about her, she wouldn't have cast the spell on Chris. Which is pretty much the snowball that started the downward spiralling of her life and her friendships with Rachelle, Bonnie, and Nancy.
And Near Dark was pretty good. Wasn't it.
captain_brandon
09-17-2009, 03:41 PM
I thought it was, other than being very well acted and pretty well written, a good film about the dangers of peer pressure. If Sarah had not cared what people said about her, she wouldn't have cast the spell on Chris. Which is pretty much the snowball that started the downward spiralling of her life and her friendships with Rachelle, Bonnie, and Nancy.
And Near Dark was pretty good. Wasn't it.
Good call on both. And yup, Near Dark was and still is phenomenal. I SO can't wait for it to go the Anchor Bay Blu-Ray disc route, myself. A higherly underrated film of the 1987 genre film year that, thankfully, even though I'm a huge Slasher & Giallo fanatic, pulled away from the then already tired teens-in-perril situaions, and did something nearly & completely 100% original with the then itself tired Vampire sub-genre. It's such a staggering and often brilliant work with great dialogue ("The night has it's price ..."). Expertly lit and shot, too. I always wondered where actress Jenny Wright (Near Dark and I, Madman) wnet off to? I heard she was gonna do her first ever genre film convention soon enough. We shall all see.
Mean while more fine words there on The Craft. Kind of always saw it that way myself as well.
Dammit; look's like I'm gonna have to make a full 11 Underrated Films list after while, now! I'm addicted. :D
DVD-fanatic-9
09-17-2009, 04:12 PM
Good call on both. And yup, Near Dark was and still is phenomenal. I SO can't wait for it to go the Anchor Bay Blu-Ray disc route, myself. A higherly underrated film of the 1987 genre film year that, thankfully, even though I'm a huge Slasher & Giallo fanatic, pulled away from the then already tired teens-in-perril situaions, and did something nearly & completely 100% original with the then itself tired Vampire sub-genre. It's such a staggering and often brilliant work with great dialogue ("The night has it's price ..."). Expertly lit and shot, too.
Well, I have to wonder how much really changed between 1985's Fright Night and 87's Near Dark. Both were pretty progressive for their times. I guess Vamp is the movie that lands smackdab in the middle. As far as me and Near Dark go, though, I like the story of Mae and Caleb better than the gang. It would have been a little more interesting if they had gone off by themselves. Maybe not been transfused or had "bosses" to answer to.
Dammit; look's like I'm gonna have to make a full 11 Underrated Films list after while, now! I'm addicted. :D
I'd like to see that.
KappaMoth
09-17-2009, 04:53 PM
Dagon was clutch! One of the best Lovecraft-inspired movies (though, I guess that's not saying much).
I remember reading a synopsis of Prince of Darkness when I was younger and thinking, "I have to see a movie with liquid Satan." The addition of Alice Cooper kind of sealed the deal.
indiephantom
09-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Nice to re-visit this list. I have seen Dead of Night since and fully loved it. I'm going to watch Messiah of Evil this October, and maybe I will finally catch Let Sleeping Corpses Lie.
maybrick
09-17-2009, 05:43 PM
Err.. it is coming to DVD (http://horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?t=38038) from Code Red very soon, remastered and with extras. :eek2:
This is proof that no matter how much a particular subject is talked to death there will still be people who fall out of the loop. I suspect he'll be the first one to bitch about how the opening theme song is missing from the Code Red release, as well! :lol:
Body Boy
09-17-2009, 06:21 PM
Dead of Night (1977) is criminally underrated. Granted, the first two stories are nothing special...but "Bobby"...is amazing!!!
Marv Inc.
09-17-2009, 09:40 PM
Wolfen's one of my favirote underated movie. I just really love eveything about it, excellent stedi-cam work, impressive locations and views of the decay bronx of the late 70's early 80's.
Superberley cast awell and Carl Fullerton got the job on friday part II after making this. He bought one of his severed heads in from the movie when he went for his interview with Steve Miner.
KillerCannabis
09-17-2009, 11:28 PM
Good list, but Valentine sucks horrid ass.
I've always said that Prince of Darkness was one of the most underrated horror films of all-time.
othervoice1
09-17-2009, 11:56 PM
Speaking of the lovely and talented Fairuza Balk... I always thought The Craft never got very much respect
I agree with that one, I always liked that film but it never seems to get mentioned. And I always found her quite attractive <: I will mention Night of the Demons just because none of my current friends have ever heard of it and back in the day when I rented it on VHS I thought it looked like some horrid DTV type horror flick and was surprised how good it was.
HellRazor
09-18-2009, 12:44 AM
Good list, except for the fact that VALENTINE is NOT underrated, it is rated very appropriately as little more than a cheap knock-off of MY BLOODY VALENTINE only done for the ADD-addled MTV generation. Nothing to love here at all, I thought it was uninspired, unoriginal, poorly acted and boring as hell.
Brain Damage would have been a good replacement or #12 tho!
And yeah, I love me some THE CRAFT too!
rhett
09-18-2009, 01:15 AM
Not that I believe HALLOWEEN III was all that underrated in 2006, but I think now, with all the Halloween talk that Zombie's sequels inspired and the fact that Carpenter's image has changed from has-been to full out horror legend, the movie has become damn near overpraised.
Workshed
09-18-2009, 01:19 AM
Neither Dagon or Valentine were deserving in my opinion,
:fire:
Katatonia
09-18-2009, 01:24 AM
Are you trying to make some kind of point with these?
Yes, I was pointing out that you were clueless about the forthcoming DVD. :)
othervoice1
09-18-2009, 03:04 AM
I actually enjoyed House of Wax quite a bit but Im sure Ill get some hate on that one. Everyone seemed against it before it even came out since Paris Hilton was in it but having just rewatched this again recently I thought it was pretty solid but never really gets mentioned.
HellRazor
09-18-2009, 03:29 AM
Yeah, HOUSE OF WAX was a movie I thought would suck but actually turned out to be half decent. They could have gained more credibility by jettisoning Paris Hilton all together.
Bluenoser
09-18-2009, 03:35 AM
Not that I believe HALLOWEEN III was all that underrated in 2006, but I think now, with all the Halloween talk that Zombie's sequels inspired and the fact that Carpenter's image has changed from has-been to full out horror legend, the movie has become damn near overpraised.
I’ve always liked Halloween III for some reason. When I first got into the Halloween series, I went into it expecting to hate it. III got trashed so badly by all the Michael Myers diehards... I just couldn’t fathom liking it. But after I saw it, I thought it was a really enjoyable stand-alone film. I’d imagine some of the dislike for this film comes from the fact that it breaks up a pretty good series of films.
17thJuggalo
09-18-2009, 08:42 AM
One that I think needs to be noted is Slime City. It takes a look at how sleazy New York was during the time and has some great FX especially considering it's budget. Just alot of fun all around, and it seems that people don't really talk about it that much.
DVD-fanatic-9
09-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Yes, I was pointing out that you were clueless about the forthcoming DVD. :)
Mission accomplished.
I was. I just thought you were judging me because I didn't know. I mean, I think everyone here knows I don't spend a lot of time here. I can't be blamed for not knowing everything. I don't have the time to read everything. I expected Messiah of Evil to get a quality DVD release as much as I expect a 2-disc Special Edition of Dementia 13.
Wolfen's one of my favorite underrated movie. I just really love eveything about it, excellent stedi-cam work, impressive locations and views of the decay bronx of the late 70's early 80's.
Agreed. Wolfen is excellent. Better than Company of Wolves, by considerable measure.
Good list, except for the fact that VALENTINE is NOT underrated, it is rated very appropriately as little more than a cheap knock-off of MY BLOODY VALENTINE only done for the ADD-addled MTV generation. Nothing to love here at all, I thought it was uninspired, unoriginal, poorly acted and boring as hell.
Brain Damage would have been a good replacement or #12 tho!
And yeah, I love me some THE CRAFT too!
I still haven't seen My Bloody Valentine yet. But I'm guessing Jamie Blank's Valentine was missing some sex from the 1981 movie. And that, since Mtv was mentioned, TV itself gave viewers more sexual content than Valentine as well. Also- I know My Bloody Valentine is a favorite slasher film for many people. But "cheap" is the first thing I think of when I think of that movie. The slasher trend of the early 80's wasn't well-known for being classy or sophisticated or smart. It didn't take much to hack up people in those days.
Kind of sounds like people are passing off their fondness for trashy slasher films as those flicks having the same substance as a film like Halloween, which MBV owes its' existence to. In that respect, JB's Valentine really isn't any worse. (But I'm putting the original in the #1 slot of my Netflix queue as I speak and I'll say no more about it)
Fistfuck
09-18-2009, 12:45 PM
I still haven't seen My Bloody Valentine yet. But I'm guessing Jamie Blank's Valentine was missing some sex from the 1981 movie. And that, since Mtv was mentioned, TV itself gave viewers more sexual content than Valentine as well. Also- I know My Bloody Valentine is a favorite slasher film for many people. But "cheap" is the first thing I think of when I think of that movie. The slasher trend of the early 80's wasn't well-known for being classy or sophisticated or smart. It didn't take much to hack up people in those days.
Kind of sounds like people are passing off their fondness for trashy slasher films as those flicks having the same substance as a film like Halloween, which MBV owes its' existence to. In that respect, JB's Valentine really isn't any worse. (But I'm putting the original in the #1 slot of my Netflix queue as I speak and I'll say no more about it)
.........oh my gawd.....
DVD-fanatic-9
09-18-2009, 12:55 PM
.........oh my gawd.....
I knew you'd appreciate it. :cool:
shithead
09-18-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd add Fright Night 2 to the list.
Chunkblower
09-18-2009, 10:44 PM
I've always felt that Pet Semetary 2 never got a fair shake.
Fistfuck
09-18-2009, 10:51 PM
I've always felt that Pet Semetary 2 never got a fair shake.
Do you not want to be buried...?
HellRazor
09-18-2009, 11:04 PM
I still haven't seen My Bloody Valentine yet. But I'm guessing Jamie Blank's Valentine was missing some sex from the 1981 movie. And that, since Mtv was mentioned, TV itself gave viewers more sexual content than Valentine as well. Also- I know My Bloody Valentine is a favorite slasher film for many people. But "cheap" is the first thing I think of when I think of that movie. The slasher trend of the early 80's wasn't well-known for being classy or sophisticated or smart. It didn't take much to hack up people in those days.
Kind of sounds like people are passing off their fondness for trashy slasher films as those flicks having the same substance as a film like Halloween, which MBV owes its' existence to. In that respect, JB's Valentine really isn't any worse. (But I'm putting the original in the #1 slot of my Netflix queue as I speak and I'll say no more about it)
By cheap knockoff, I didn't mean cheap as in "didn't cost much to make", I meant "cheap" more like it is a copy of a copy of a copy. By the time you get to the 6th generation copy there isn't much of substance to it.
The whole holiday-themed slasher flick is already well past its expiration date; and not only that, Valentine's Day has already been used for the whole "creepy slasher kills a bunch of 20-somethings" motif once already (twice now if you count the bonafide remake of MY BLOODY VALENTINE which managed to be a copy and STILL be well made and interesting in a way that VALENTINE just isn't) - so already it loses any points for originality.
But that's only part of what I didn't like, a film doesn't have to be original to be entertaining. But that's just it - I found the entire movie to be a drab, lifeless affair (no pun intended). Slasher kills a bunch of kids on valentines day, ta da here's the killer, the end. There just wasn't anything here I hadn't seen a million times before, and done a lot better with better actors and a better script. Even Denise Richards' hooters couldn't save this (had they in fact shown them, which they didn't - if Denise Richards didn't want to get naked she should have saved the money she spent on her implants and used it for a better acting coach).
I kind of rate VALENTINE right up there with the PROM NIGHT remake, which I found to suffer from similar issues.
The Chaostar
09-19-2009, 12:52 AM
Agreed. Wolfen is excellent. Better than Company of Wolves, by considerable measure.
Company is a folk horror tale, Wolfen is urban horror. I don't think they can be compared due to their tonal difference. Both films I thnk work magnificently within their own concepts.
shithead
09-19-2009, 01:29 AM
Also Criminally underrated.
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Ptflea2
09-19-2009, 01:52 AM
a good list...except for valentine, which makes me want to vomit
ditto.
DVD-fanatic-9
09-19-2009, 03:25 PM
Company is a folk horror tale, Wolfen is urban horror. I don't think they can be compared due to their tonal difference. Both films I thnk work magnificently within their own concepts.
I'm not comparing their tones at all. I'm saying Wolfen is a better made film. More successful at what it's trying to do than Company. A little more compelling too. Company has some glaring flaws, Wolfen has fewer.
By cheap knockoff, I didn't mean cheap as in "didn't cost much to make", I meant "cheap" more like it is a copy of a copy of a copy. By the time you get to the 6th generation copy there isn't much of substance to it.
The whole holiday-themed slasher flick is already well past its expiration date; and not only that, Valentine's Day has already been used for the whole "creepy slasher kills a bunch of 20-somethings" motif once already (twice now if you count the bonafide remake of MY BLOODY VALENTINE which managed to be a copy and STILL be well made and interesting in a way that VALENTINE just isn't) - so already it loses any points for originality.
But that's only part of what I didn't like, a film doesn't have to be original to be entertaining. But that's just it - I found the entire movie to be a drab, lifeless affair (no pun intended). Slasher kills a bunch of kids on valentines day, ta da here's the killer, the end. There just wasn't anything here I hadn't seen a million times before, and done a lot better with better actors and a better script. Even Denise Richards' hooters couldn't save this (had they in fact shown them, which they didn't - if Denise Richards didn't want to get naked she should have saved the money she spent on her implants and used it for a better acting coach).
I'll agree with you on every point regarding JB's Valentine (except the Prom Night remake comparison, since I haven't seen PN2008). But not on My Bloody Valentine.
HellRazor
09-19-2009, 04:54 PM
MY BLOODY VALENTINE (both the original and the remake) were great! At the time the original came out the slasher film was in full swing. The remake managed to be great, despite the fact that it was a remake and that the "holiday slasher" film is played out.
I thought VALENTINE was dull. I'd have to rewatch it to get into more particulars and I have no desire to do that. All I remember from VALENTINE is that Denise Richards was a bitch in it and got killed in a hot tub.
DVD-fanatic-9
09-19-2009, 09:21 PM
MY BLOODY VALENTINE (both the original and the remake) were great! At the time the original came out the slasher film was in full swing. The remake managed to be great, despite the fact that it was a remake and that the "holiday slasher" film is played out.
I thought VALENTINE was dull. I'd have to rewatch it to get into more particulars and I have no desire to do that. All I remember from VALENTINE is that Denise Richards was a bitch in it and got killed in a hot tub.
Agreed on JB's Valentine. But not on My Bloody Valentine. :cool:
Oh, and the slasher film may have been in swing in the popular trend and glut cycle during that era in the early 80's, but the 70's still made the best slasher films by far.
captain_brandon
09-19-2009, 11:12 PM
Dammit; I'm trying to forge ahead on that 11 Underrated Movies list for myself, and I'm having trouble. Maybe tomarrow my Writer's Block will unravel. :( Ah well.
HellRazor
09-19-2009, 11:33 PM
SESSION 9 should have made this list.
Rockmjd
09-20-2009, 12:56 AM
That is a pretty good list with Valentine being the only wtf choice.
17thJuggalo
09-20-2009, 07:19 AM
Well I might as well post my top 11 underrated horror movies in no particular order:
11. Cat O' Nine Tails
10. The Deadly Spawn
9. Dead Heat
8. Slime City
7. Magic
6. Nightmare City
5. Student Bodies
4. Dance of the Dead
3. Castle Freak
2. Creepshow 2
1. Dark Waters
chrismac87
09-20-2009, 07:24 AM
I 110% agree with CREEPSHOW 2 being VERY underrated!
Especially considering the, *gulp* third entry in the franchise, part 2 is just an all around, grade A winner in that light.
This is one of those rare cases where I prefer the sequel to the original! *ducks flying rocks and shards of glass*
I don't know why, maybe because it was the first horror film to ever scare the shit out of me - my mother was not pleased when at 5 years old I wanted nothing to do with the bathtub for fear of a black slime eating me alive - and the only film that ever, to this day, still makes me a tad uneasy.
I love it. The fear it instilled in me was just so massive, I had to watch it over and over again to help get over it but even with that being the case - it still freaks me out!
Such a great sequel, very, very underrated.
rhett
09-20-2009, 07:52 AM
I've always felt that Pet Semetary 2 never got a fair shake.
If only the ending weren't so overwrought and morose, I'd probably agree. Good acting all around, except for the fat kid ("Zowie!!!!!") and a few really good set pieces, like the motorbike death.
Severn
09-20-2009, 07:55 AM
Here's an under-appreciated one that's been forgotten by most. It's called "THE OTHER". It think this could be a very good remake. I don't think a DVD ever came out for it. It creeped me out as a kid and EVERY now and then AMC would air it on Friday nights.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069050/
Chunkblower
09-20-2009, 11:25 AM
If only the ending weren't so overwrought and morose, I'd probably agree.
I dunno, if I have to pick nits I'd say that Edward Furlong's über-sissy scream is the bigger liability. Still, the soundtrack, the baroque direction, and Clancy Brown very obviously having the time of his life outweigh any other minor flaws.
Bluenoser
09-21-2009, 03:24 AM
Here's an under-appreciated one that's been forgotten by most. It's called "THE OTHER". It think this could be a very good remake. I don't think a DVD ever came out for it. It creeped me out as a kid and EVERY now and then AMC would air it on Friday nights.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069050/
It did indeed come out... http://www.amazon.ca/Other-Robert-Mulligan/dp/B000G6BLYM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1253499786&sr=8-1
I have it but haven't watched it yet. I had picked up the VHS at a video store for cheap and ended upgrading to DVD before I even got to see it.
spawningblue
09-21-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm fine with the list, and yes I liked Valentine and would love to see it uncut. I also agree with the posts that said the House of Wax remake and Session 9 were underrated.
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