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Reverenddave
11-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Wal-Mart and Best Buy are selling the Toshiba HD-A2 Player for under $100! And you also get the 5 Free HD-DVD mail-in offer.

Wal-Mart is having a One Day Sale starting Friday at 8am. The player will be priced at $98. Best Buy has the player on sale for $99 right now.

Supplies are probably very limited.

Best Buy Drops Toshiba HD DVD Player to $99 (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Retailing/Toshiba/Best_Buy/Best_Buy_Drops_Toshiba_HD_DVD_Player_to_$99_Suppli es__Very_Limited/1134)

HD DVD Takes Centerstage at Wal-Mart (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Toshiba/Wal-Mart/HD_DVD_Takes_Centerstage_at_Wal-Mart/1131)

KamuiX
11-01-2007, 11:25 PM
Shit, might have to just get this for my 1080i living room TV.

Reverenddave
11-01-2007, 11:28 PM
Also part of Wal-Mart's one day sale. These HD-DVDs are supposed to be $14.96 each:

Clerks 2
Lucky # S7even
Pulse
Failure to Launch
4 Brothers
Italian Job
Sleepy Hollow
Casino
12 Monkeys
Backdraft
Big Lebowski
Sea Biscuit
Alexander Revisited
Blood Diamond
Full Metal Jacket
The Last Samurai
Swordfish
Unforgiven

rp108
11-02-2007, 01:53 AM
Getting one tommorow for the bedroom.

Reverenddave
11-02-2007, 02:18 AM
Went down to my local Wal-Mart, planning on buying one tonight and getting a refund tomorrow. No luck. They had pulled all the players from the floor. They're going to bring them back out at 8am. Apparently, tons of people have called about the sale. They only have "around 20 or so" players. So these will probably sell out really early.

Also stopped by Best Buy. My local store only carries the Toshiba HD-A3.

JW77
11-02-2007, 04:27 AM
And, not surpsingly, Bill Hunt shits all over this deal at The Digital Bits (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents), going so far as to declare the sale illegal.

Vlachio
11-02-2007, 04:31 AM
Is this price drop the end of HD DVD? Something doesn't seem right with that.

Shannafey
11-02-2007, 04:43 AM
This doesn't seem right, but damn that is cheap!! Very tempting, though I've really convinced myself I'd wait for a cheap combo player.

Reverenddave
11-02-2007, 05:27 AM
Is this price drop the end of HD DVD? Something doesn't seem right with that.

No. These are the end of the 2nd Gen players from Toshiba. The 3rd Gen players (HD-A3) are already on the store shelves.

Sony did the same thing with the last of their PS3 60GB models a few weeks ago. There was a huge sale at Amazon dropping the price under $400 with a couple free discs.

I think it's also a jab at Blu-Ray. A couple weeks ago, HD was planning on putting up some impressive sales numbers with their exclusive Transformers discs. But BR stole their thunder with a huge B1G1 sale. So this is probably a little payback.

That $99 price is worth it just for the 5 Free HD-DVD discs.

I love this format war. $99 Players and Buy 1 Get 1 Free discs. I can't wait to see the other sales that'll pop-up this holiday season.

X-human
11-02-2007, 05:42 AM
And, not surpsingly, Bill Hunt shits all over this deal at The Digital Bits (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents), going so far as to declare the sale illegal.

Yeah, I've been cutting Hunt a lot of slack but he really did go overboard on that one. He's become both less reliable and less relevant as time goes by. Sites like HighDefDigest.com update frequently and constantly. Seems like DigitalBits is the last to know about this stuff.

Yes, Toshiba is dumping the remaining stock of A2's on the market to make way for the A3, but it's a SMART movie. It reinforces their price advantage and gets some people to jump on board who wouldn't have before, it all creates good word of mouth.

The only thing that's really wrong with it it that it's creating an expectation of these prices lasting. The true $200 player is really a cheap knock of and that's what will become the workhorse once Toshiba's through clearing stock on discontinued players.

Reverenddave
11-02-2007, 02:50 PM
I got to Wal-Mart around 7:45am and was 4th in line. By 8am a bunch of people were lined up behind me. They only had about 20-25 units. I'm sure all of them were gone by 8:15am.

Picked up the player and Sleepy Hollow HD-DVD for $119 total. This will make a great Christmas present for my brother.

HoldenMcNeil
11-02-2007, 03:09 PM
Yeah just got back from two wal-marts, both were sold out and only had 16 players each. What upset me was that they stated selling the players at 7am! And I got there at 7 30 and they were already gone. Some woman bought 5 even though it was 1 per customer. I'm going to go to Best Buy and price match it there now, at least try to get an hd-dvd player.

SaviniFan
11-02-2007, 03:32 PM
I got up bright and early and landed one at my local Walmart.

I have always said I won't bite until the format war is over/decided, but no way can I pass up a $100 player. Here's to hoping it isn't a paperweight in a couple of years.

Damed
11-02-2007, 05:59 PM
A good read on the 1080i/1080p "issue"

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/



If (and that's a big if) HD DVD fails, you'll still end up with a heck of a nice upconverting DVD player.

Damed
11-02-2007, 06:03 PM
Don't forget your free mail in movies!

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/data/pdf/Toshiba_Online_Rebate_R08.pdf



The Thing, The Frighteners, Darkman are all part of the freebies.

Reverenddave
11-02-2007, 07:10 PM
Here's some tips for the new HD-DVD owners:

Don't pick Full Metal Jacket on the 5 Free HD-DVD rebate. It looks like that's the first version which got horrible reviews. If you really want that film, buy the new Deluxe version.

The player doesn't come with an HDMI cable, so you'll need to buy one. Get it at monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2) for around $7 shipped. Everybody on the home theater forums shops there. Don't waste $20 or more getting the cables at a B&M store.

baggio
11-02-2007, 07:28 PM
Here's some tips for the new HD-DVD owners:

Don't pick Full Metal Jacket on the 5 Free HD-DVD rebate. It looks like that's the first version which got horrible reviews. If you really want that film, buy the new Deluxe version.



So it starts. Are you saying they are all ready double dipping HD already?

Damed
11-02-2007, 08:17 PM
So it starts. Are you saying they are all ready double dipping HD already?


Bluray had the same thing with The Fifth Element. The first releases were SHIT transfers. Same with FMJ on HD DVD.

The new release is stellar.

Here's how you know.

Old (crappy) cover:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qH54aLboL._SS500_.jpg


New stellar release:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xYRaN2pJL._SS500_.jpg

Sam
11-03-2007, 01:36 AM
I hopped in as soon as I could at 5pm and of course, no units were still in stock. Great deal for those who could make the early trip. Maybe Black Friday will have another deal at $98-99.

Reverenddave
11-03-2007, 02:13 AM
Circuit City is listing the Toshiba HD-A2 for $130. That's still a great deal for those of you that missed out.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Toshiba-HD-DVD-Player-HDA2/sem/rpsm/oid/169466/catOid/-12872/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

X-human
11-07-2007, 07:20 PM
A record number of HD-DVD players were sold, but I'm a little surprised by the numbers:Quoting sources close to the retailers, VB estimates that 90,000 units were sold at top outlets, including Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Circuit City. According to the trade paper, that's nearly as many sales as the best-selling stand-alone Blu-ray Disc player (Sony's the $499 BDP-S300) has sold since its launch.http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Best_Buy/Wal-Mart/High-Def_Retailing/Toshiba/Report:_Weekend_Toshiba_HD_DVD_Player_Sales_Top_90 ,000/1150

I think that gives you an indication of how small this market still is. Reportedly Blu-ray sales caught up with HD-DVD standalone sales in the summer. Since this gives us an idea of Blu-ray's best seller, that means around half a million players have probably been sold this year from each camp. This best explains why Toshiba lowered it's earlier estimates of about 3 million players to sell down to about 1 million to sell this year.

It's good news for Toshiba, this nearly doubled Blu-ray's sales I'm sure. Even still, it feels disappointing for both.

Reverenddave
11-07-2007, 07:44 PM
You want an idea of how small the HD market is? So far there has been about 5 Million total HD discs sold. It breaks down to around 3 Million BR vs 2 Million HD-DVD. In comparison, the standard DVD of Transformers sold 8.3 Million it's first week. The HD market is just a tiny drop in the bucket right now.

JW77
11-07-2007, 10:35 PM
It's getting fucking crazy out there.

The AVSForum shut down yesterday because the place exploded when it was announced that Best Buy and Wal-Mart had sold 90,000 of these sub-$100 HD-DVD players and the red and blue fanboys were at each others' throats. The Digital Bits got hacked. And there were people on the Blu-Ray forum who said they were going to buy HD-DVD players at Wal-Mart and post videos of themselves on Youtube smashing the players in the parking lot.

It's the like the streets are about to break out in open warfare between gadget nerds.

KR~!
11-08-2007, 01:07 AM
that a lot considering that many stores only had 15 to 20 players only in stock

rhett
11-08-2007, 01:10 AM
It's the like the streets are about to break out in open warfare between gadget nerds.
Funny, since they will fight for years to determine superiority, only to realize that neither format will ever unseat DVD. :D

Agent Z
11-08-2007, 10:18 AM
Funny, since they will fight for years to determine superiority, only to realize that neither format will ever unseat DVD. :D

Yep. The gadget nerds and film geeks (is there really much of a difference between the two, really?) aren't going to determine this "war". Joe Sixpack will...and, he's going to need more than higher resolution to hook him in.

KR~!
11-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Yep. The gadget nerds and film geeks (is there really much of a difference between the two, really?) aren't going to determine this "war". Joe Sixpack will...and, he's going to need more than higher resolution to hook him in.

he is going to need low prices and a HDTV and about a year or two more.

X-human
11-08-2007, 08:48 PM
HD-DVD will probably have sold 500,000 stand alone units by the end of November. (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hardware/Industry_Forecasts/Report:_HD_DVD_Standalone_Player_Sales_Nearing_500 ,000_Milestone/1156) That means there's probably just about 400,000 Blu-ray standalone players.

So they sold in one day almost a quarter of what it's taken them a year and a half to sell.

Just for fun here are some really really really fuzzy numbers so bare with me. If Blu-ray is selling 2:1, and there are 400,000 blu-ray standalones (which we can guess because reportedly they are just as many HD-DVD standalones [before the 90,000]) then PS3 must be making up the difference. Last I heard there was 150,000 HD-DVD Xbox360 add ons out there. So of the 2.2 million PS3s about 550,000 are actively being used to play Blu-ray discs; 25%. To make up for the 90,000 jump Sony would have to sell 360,000 more PS3s just as suddenly. Anyone think their PS3 price drop did as much?

Agent Z
11-08-2007, 09:03 PM
he is going to need low prices and a HDTV and about a year or two more.

...AND HD releases that are at least properly mastered and not barebones, pale imitations of their standard dvd counterparts.

X-human
11-08-2007, 10:15 PM
Well this is interesting, in Sony's latest press release of Spider-Man 3's numbers (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=260571&page=16) they said they shipped off 400,000 copies to retailers. Basically they thought half of the active Blu-ray disc buyers would pick up this title. They sold over 25% the first week. Don't know if that includes boxsets, probably does.

It's hard to compare that with Transformer's numbers, those are still fuzzy. We know these are the physical sold numbers for SM3, and even with the lowest estimates of Tranformers HD-DVD still comes out on top. We'll have to wait for tomorrow to see last week's numbers, I'm sure BDR's crossing their fingers.

KamuiX
11-08-2007, 10:54 PM
...AND HD releases that are at least properly mastered and not barebones, pale imitations of their standard dvd counterparts.

That's really not true, at least with most of the Blu-Ray releases I have. Yeah, there's a few that don't compare (the first 2 Spider-Man flicks are the films only, but the amazing picture and sound make up for it a bit), but stuff like 300, The Fountain, Spider-Man 3, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Prestige, the Pirates of the Caribbean flicks and more all have the same amount, if not more, extras as their DVD counterparts.

Agent Z
11-08-2007, 11:04 PM
That's really not true, at least with most of the Blu-Ray releases I have. Yeah, there's a few that don't compare (the first 2 Spider-Man flicks are the films only, but the amazing picture and sound make up for it a bit), but stuff like 300, The Fountain, Spider-Man 3, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Prestige, the Pirates of the Caribbean flicks and more all have the same amount, if not more, extras as their DVD counterparts.

I don't have time to do a list for those "loaded" and those "barebones", but there are more than a "few" titles that have less than, or none of the special features that their standard version counterparts have.

When you are asking me to pay more for a HD version of a film, then I have a right to expect every title that costs more than the standard to have at least the same content as the previous editions.

X-human
11-09-2007, 07:35 PM
HMM Nov 11 - 17, 2007 (http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom111107/index.php)

Week of 10/28 - 11/4
BD / HD
71 / 29 Week
64 / 36 Year
61 / 39 Since Inception

1. Spider-man 3 BD 100
2. Spider-man Trilogy BD 71.95(% of leader)
3. Transformers HD 31.42
4. Meet the Robinsons BD 8.82
5. 300 BD 6.56
6. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer BD 5.03
7. License to Wed BD 4.24
8. The Shining BD 4.11
9. Mr. Brooks BD 4.03
10. 2001: A Space Odyssey BD 3.88

Awesome, Kubrick's still got it.

So SM3 tilted it back to status quo, depending on how Sony looked at it either 130,000 total SM3's were sold or 223,600. Probably the former. Most interesting is that 300 is still in the top 5 with Blu-ray, Warner HAS to be happy with that. Who wouldn't be? Also Transformers is hanging in there for three weeks, most probably the best a HD-DVD title's done for a long time.

But these numbers will be most important to compare to this week's releases. Will the additional 90,000 A2's make an impact for HD-DVD? Will Pixar be able to maintain Blu-ray's lead? Did new A2 owners pick up SM3 by mistake? Tune in next week and see!

X-human
11-14-2007, 01:19 AM
Sony confirmed that the 130,000 count was total SM3 sales which includes trilogy boxsets. Granted it's probably not exactly 130,000 but who are we to be so picky? Now with that final piece we can give some real numbers:

1. Spider-Man 3 (BD) 75,605
2. Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy (BD) 54,395
3. Transformers (HD-DVD) 23,755
4. Meet the Robinsons (BD) 6,668
5. 300 (BD) 4,960
6. Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer (BD) 3,803
7. License to Wed (BD) 3,206
8. The Shining (BD) 3,107
9. Mr. Brooks (BD) 3,047
10. 2001: A Space Odyssey (BD) 2,933

Ugh, I can't believe over 3,000 people about License to Wed. Maybe these numbers are wrong? :D

This would mean HD-DVD's second highest title sold less than 3,000. Yep, there are probably more people in your home town than there are people who bought HD-DVD's second highest selling disc two weeks ago. It also means that the 90,000 players they sold from Wal-mart can truly help turn their favor. If even 3.3% of the new owners buy a common title it'll move something up into the top ten.

It hadn't occured to me before someone pointed it out but with those 90,000 A2's sold from the Wal-mart sale we're talking about 450,000 free disc hand outs. Toshiba may give away more discs from that one day sale then they'll sell this holiday season if things don't turn around.

Agent Z
11-14-2007, 01:53 AM
These updates for the ongoing battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray remind me of proud parents watching their kids learning to play football for the first time: kids running in the wrong direction, getting hit in the face with passes, unable to really move the ball down the field.

The kids aren't ready for the big leagues. Ok, they aren't really even ready for pop warner, but it's a kind of pitying admiration that one develops while watching them make their way, cause one day......

dwatts
11-14-2007, 02:45 AM
Sony confirmed that the 130,000 count was total SM3 sales which includes trilogy boxsets. Granted it's probably not exactly 130,000 but who are we to be so picky? Now with that final piece we can give some real numbers:

1. Spider-Man 3 (BD) 75,605
2. Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy (BD) 54,395
3. Transformers (HD-DVD) 23,755
4. Meet the Robinsons (BD) 6,668
5. 300 (BD) 4,960
6. Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer (BD) 3,803
7. License to Wed (BD) 3,206
8. The Shining (BD) 3,107
9. Mr. Brooks (BD) 3,047
10. 2001: A Space Odyssey (BD) 2,933

Ugh, I can't believe over 3,000 people about License to Wed. Maybe these numbers are wrong? :D

This would mean HD-DVD's second highest title sold less than 3,000. Yep, there are probably more people in your home town than there are people who bought HD-DVD's second highest selling disc two weeks ago. It also means that the 90,000 players they sold from Wal-mart can truly help turn their favor. If even 3.3% of the new owners buy a common title it'll move something up into the top ten.

It hadn't occured to me before someone pointed it out but with those 90,000 A2's sold from the Wal-mart sale we're talking about 450,000 free disc hand outs. Toshiba may give away more discs from that one day sale then they'll sell this holiday season if things don't turn around.

It's numbers like that make me want to throw the towel in and just decide to stick with current DVD's. I play with the idea of an upgrade, but both look like a serious dead end right now.

JW77
11-14-2007, 04:02 AM
DVD was a killer app, much like CD.

They're perfect media: right amount of storage, random access, durable, portable.

Like we've seen with DAT, miniDisc, SACD, and DVD-A all failing to usurp CD with the buying public over two decades, DVD is going to be a motherfucker to replace.

It's not the format war that is slowing mass adoption, it's because DVD is "good enough" for the average person. Remember, a lot of people still buy pan and scan DVDs, most people have TVs 27" and under, most people aren't yet HD... and even when they get HDTVs, all of that 720/1080/i/p is confusing. And firmware updates. Java. It's like HDDVD and BR are made for IT and CS geeks.

X-human
11-14-2007, 07:58 AM
I think a day will come when HD is streamlined to the point that it's as easy as CD. I say that because if you think about it even DVD is confusing with picking between 480i and 480p settings on a DVD player. My parents always asked me to put the DVD in because of that. Recently we had to explain rewinding and fast forwarding a VHS to my grandma.

But my PS3 for example automatically sets it up to the proper settings of either widescreen or windowbox and upconverts it nicely. I can only assume HD-DVD players do that as well. Once it's set up there's not much to it at all.

In a few years pretty much everything will be 1080p and it'll be such a norm that everything will be geared towards that. It'll be simple. Hopefully...

dwatts
11-14-2007, 08:52 AM
People tend to forget that there were compatibility issues in the early days of DVD. It took a while for region coding to be cracked. What really helped DVD was plain and simple: Price. Prices fell with DVD faster than anything that had come before it. It was $800 one day, and $100 the next, it seemed. Discs were cheaper too.

I agree technically things are more complicated - ans that the two formats are confusing. But there will always be people who buy pan and scan, watch everything in "widescreen" mode of their TV's stretching things out, and that never invest in surround sound listening to everything through silly TV speakers.

Hell, there are still people watching movies without a projector! :D

baggio
11-14-2007, 04:24 PM
Also interesting, over 10 million standard dvd players sold in the first half of the year.

16 million in 2005 (total year)

19 million in 2006 (total year)

I doubt they are changing over to HD anytime soon.

X-human
11-15-2007, 11:59 PM
Just for fun here are some really really really fuzzy numbers so bare with me. If Blu-ray is selling 2:1, and there are 400,000 blu-ray standalones (which we can guess because reportedly they are just as many HD-DVD standalones [before the 90,000]) then PS3 must be making up the difference. Last I heard there was 150,000 HD-DVD Xbox360 add ons out there. So of the 2.2 million PS3s about 550,000 are actively being used to play Blu-ray discs; 25%. To make up for the 90,000 jump Sony would have to sell 360,000 more PS3s just as suddenly. Anyone think their PS3 price drop did as much?

Well I'm sure you're all just dying to find out: U.S. sales of the PlayStation 3 more than doubled in the weeks after the company slashed the video game console's price $100 and launched a low-end model, Sony Corp. CEO Howard Stringer told The Associated Press Wednesday.

Sony said it sold more than 100,000 consoles of all types in the week ending Nov. 11.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071115/ap_on_hi_te/sony_playstation_sales;_ylt=AnrwdDAGmP7u0QzIBFk6D8 YjtBAF

So while they sold more PS3's with their price drop then Toshiba sold A2's within the same-ish time period according to my fuzzy numbers they probably needed to sell 250,000+ to match what Toshiba did in one single day in the sense of how many will actively use Blu-ray.

With that said, PS3's price drop is staying. They'll probably get the rest of what they'll need in the end and then some. I still think this is a game Toshiba simply can not win.

X-human
11-16-2007, 10:06 PM
It's finally here, the Week of 4-10th results which would be our first look at the first week fully effected by the A2 sale.

Blu-ray 65 : HD-DVD 35

1. Ratatouille (Blu-ray) 100
2. Spider-Man 3 (Blu-ray) 35
3. Cars (Blu-ray) 31
4. Transformers (HD-DVD) 26
5. I Know Pronounce You Chuck and Larry (HD-DVD) 20
6. Spider-man Trilogy (Blu-ray) 15
7. Pixar Shorts (Blu-ray) 12
8. Knocked Up (HD-DVD) 9
9. 300 (Blu-ray) 8
10. Meet the Robinsons (Blu-ray) 8

I think the A2 players from Wal-mart clearly had an effect because Knocked Up shot up the charts after being released for some time. As I said only 3.3% of the buyers had to pick a common title, Knocked Up looks to be that title. Transformers is also staying strong, stronger than Spider-Man 3 probably will be.

The Top 5 also reflects the 65/35 split with it being 3 to 2. But out of the 10 only 3 HD-DVD titles made it. Even still it doesn't look like either side really made much of a dent, once again it seems they've just put it back to status quo. Someone has to do something, and to be honest I think Toshiba's done about all they can.

X-human
11-26-2007, 08:00 PM
With no strong contenders being released this week, in fact none made it into the top ten, this is a good chance to take a look at what buyers are catching up on and we have some interesting results:

Blu-ray 66 : HD-DVD 34

300 (Blu-ray) 100
Transformers (HD-DVD) 67
300 (HD-DVD) 53
Casino Royale (Blu-ray) 52
The Departed (Blu-ray) 34
Pirates of the Caribbean 2 (Blu-ray) 34
Planet Earth (HD-DVD) 31
Pirates of the Caribbean 1 (Blu-ray) 30
Planet Earth (Blu-ray) 29
Apocalypto (Blu-ray) 27
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom112507/index.php

So the ratio remains about the same but it seems that the A2 sale continues to be effective as owners have gone out to get stand buys like Transformers, 300 and Planet Earth. Blu-ray owners seem to be spreading it out more since they have more choices. 300 is still Blu-ray's best seller over even its exclusives.

You may be wondering where Spider-man 3 is, if you go only by title it's still at #9 position. Since every new PS3 owner is getting one that's obviously hurting sale figures, but I think in general SM3 was a disappointment to consumers.

Once again the song remains the same.

Shannafey
11-27-2007, 04:09 AM
When you are asking me to pay more for a HD version of a film, then I have a right to expect every title that costs more than the standard to have at least the same content as the previous editions.

I totally agree with you on this!!

rp108
12-23-2007, 05:55 PM
Opened up my A2 and hooked it up to my main TV (Sony SXRD 50" 1080p) and I have to say that this player is absolutley amazing for the price. I have the high end Toshiba XA2 and this A2 gives it a run for its money.

Anyone looking to get into High Definition, this player is a no brainer (price and quality). Even if HD DVD loses the format war (highly doubt) this player is an amazing upscaler.

Definitley recommended!

Dbone
12-23-2007, 11:39 PM
Is the Toshiba A2 full HD 1080p? Or is it just 1080i???

Reverenddave
12-24-2007, 02:23 AM
Is the Toshiba A2 full HD 1080p? Or is it just 1080i???

The Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-A3 are 1080i. The next step-up (HD-A20 & HD-A30) are 1080p.

There's some strong arguments over whether the difference is even noticeable. I guess it really depends on the quality & size of your display.

Personally, my Hitachi RPTV only goes up to 1080i, so I went with the HD-A2. And at the time, the difference in price was over $100.

But nowadays, I think you can get the HD-A30 for only about $50-$60 more (it's currently $244 at Amazon). So if you have a really nice set-up, it might be worth the extra cash.

Damed
12-24-2007, 02:58 PM
The Toshiba HD-A2 and HD-A3 are 1080i. The next step-up (HD-A20 & HD-A30) are 1080p.

There's some strong arguments over whether the difference is even noticeable. I guess it really depends on the quality & size of your display.

Personally, my Hitachi RPTV only goes up to 1080i, so I went with the HD-A2. And at the time, the difference in price was over $100.

But nowadays, I think you can get the HD-A30 for only about $50-$60 more (it's currently $244 at Amazon). So if you have a really nice set-up, it might be worth the extra cash.

Actually, if your 1080p set does proper deinterlacing, there IS no differece between 1080i or 1080p for TV/film source.

See here:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

KR~!
12-24-2007, 04:02 PM
Actually, if your 1080p set does proper deinterlacing, there IS no differece between 1080i or 1080p for TV/film source.

See here:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

That's not actually 100% true, the bigger the TV/Screen the more it matters. If you have a huge projection screen you should be able to tell the difference. On smaller TVs, yes it really doesn't matter as long as you have a high end HDTV.

Damed
12-24-2007, 06:16 PM
That's not actually 100% true, the bigger the TV/Screen the more it matters. If you have a huge projection screen you should be able to tell the difference. On smaller TVs, yes it really doesn't matter as long as you have a high end HDTV.

I mean from a player standpoint.

Yes, 1080p is more visible on larger screens.

A 60" 1080p set will show the difference more than a 40".


My point is, the PLAYER outputting 1080i vs 1080p won't make a difference, as if your set is 1080p it will deinterlace it to 1080p anyways - ALL LCD and Plasma sets are progressive, so they HAVE to.

As the amount of info/resolution sent from the player is the SAME in both 1080i and 1080p scenarios, if your set is 1080p (regardless of size) the display will end up 1080p and look the same regardless if the player sends 1080i or 1080p to the set.