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rhett
05-22-2008, 07:26 PM
Since we like to take our sweet ass time giving you our in-depth, picture-laden reviews, we figured starting up this "First Look" segment would help in giving you the news about the discs as soon as possible without having to wait for our full-featured review. The reviews are forthcoming, but for now here's some stills of the new anamorphic Anchor Bay discs for Dario Argento's TENEBRE and PHENOMENA.

I haven't had much time to pick through them yet, but so far they look very clean, the colors very vibrant, and well, everything anamorphic! I'll be exploring them this weekend, but for now, satiate your impulses with photos seeped with the lovely Argento aroma.

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot1s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot1l.jpg)
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot2s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot2l.jpg)http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot3s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot3l.jpg)PhenomenaPhenomenaPhenomena
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot4s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot4l.jpg)
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot5s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot5l.jpg)http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot6s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot6l.jpg)PhenomenaTenebreTenebre
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot7s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot7l.jpg)
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot8s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot8l.jpg)http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot9s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/pictures/argento/argento_shot9l.jpg)TenebreTenebreTenebre

The discs street separately this coming Tuesday, May 27th, or together in a compact steelbook box set along with THE CARD PLAYER, TRAUMA and DO YOU LIKE HITCHCOCK? The individual discs retail for $19.98, and the box set $49.98. More to come in the review section.

Hellbilly
05-22-2008, 07:38 PM
I'll be getting both. Plus this will be my first time viewing of Tenebre, so I'm very very excited. Can't hardly wait!

rhett
05-22-2008, 07:42 PM
http://www.familyvideo.com/catalog/famvid/muze/images/dvd/91/132791.jpg

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Spit
05-22-2008, 07:46 PM
Crap on a pita! I didnt realize this set was due out so soon. I hope I get my tax rebate before Tuesday!

Best Buy has it listed for $42.99, I will probably pick it up there unless you guys can suggest somewhere cheaper.

X-human
05-22-2008, 07:49 PM
Looks damn good. Now where's the Blu? :D

Mortis
05-22-2008, 08:38 PM
Deep Discount has the box for $30.38.

dwatts
05-22-2008, 08:41 PM
But - is the missing sequence from Tenebrae - however small - now present? That's the key!

satans-sadists
05-22-2008, 09:43 PM
I'll be getting both. Plus this will be my first time viewing of Tenebre, so I'm very very excited. Can't hardly wait!

You're in for a treat. Tenebre is one of Argento's best and the soundtrack is my favorite among all of his films.

The above pictures look great! I never grabbed Tenebre, so this will be one of my very next purchases.

meddle
05-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Does anyone know if Card Player, Trauma, Phenomena and Tenebre are flagged for progressive scan or are they interlaced?

DrHerbertWest
05-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Ok, I know Phenomena was released as "Creepers" stateside right? And it was heavily cut and edited?

Is this the uncut full length film?

Paff
05-22-2008, 10:52 PM
Ok, I know Phenomena was released as "Creepers" stateside right? And it was heavily cut and edited?

Is this the uncut full length film?

Too lazy to look it up, but it's either the Roan/Anchor Bay version from 1999, or the "Integral Hard" version which is slightly longer. Despite its name, the "Hard" version adds a few scenes of dialogue, but no more violence or plot development. Creepers, however, is missing a LOT of the violence as well as important plot and character development.

Bottom line is, you should be seeking out this new version more for the improved image quality.

Vlachio
05-23-2008, 04:24 AM
I'm willing to bet come Tuesday these DVD's will be nowhere to be found. I'm referring to retail chain stores not online. Hopefully I can track these DVD's down easily which is rare. I always have the worse luck. I'll keep my fingers crossed for now.

rhett
05-23-2008, 06:13 AM
Does anyone know if Card Player, Trauma, Phenomena and Tenebre are flagged for progressive scan or are they interlaced?
The new discs are progressive. Card Player, Trauma and Hitchcock are all the older releases, so if memory serves me correct that means they are all interlaced. At least Hitchcock definitely was.

Ash J. Williams
05-23-2008, 06:20 AM
Deep Discount has the box for $30.38.

So I can wait two weeks to a month...

Or pay 15 dollars for Day Of shipping and get it at Best Buy.

Fuck, should I open a poll?

Vlachio
05-23-2008, 06:27 AM
So I can wait two weeks to a month...

Or pay 15 dollars for Day Of shipping and get it at Best Buy.

Fuck, should I open a poll?

Yeah fuck deepdiscount! They're shipping time is the worse! So yeah start a poll!!! :lol:

Mortis
05-23-2008, 06:49 AM
With tax and the price of gas, I'd rather wait. I usually get my DD/DVDP orders in a week.

ReelFear
05-23-2008, 06:58 AM
i paid under $12 dollars each at dvdplanet.

Zombie Dude
05-23-2008, 07:46 AM
I can get you screenshot if you need them for comparing quality (I have the region 4 discs of both films). The third picture from Phenomena looks a little more blue and purple than I remember, it does seem clearer too.

Also, what’s this missing Tenebre scene?

The discs are uncut I’ll probably be picking them up, just for the better picture quality.

Hellbilly
05-23-2008, 03:03 PM
http://www.familyvideo.com/catalog/famvid/muze/images/dvd/91/132791.jpg

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! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyaxoPtjhJg)

DrHerbertWest
05-23-2008, 04:59 PM
Bottom line is, you should be seeking out this new version more for the improved image quality.

Well... No. I've never seen the film and if it's still heavily edited, then I'm going to stay away from it.

rhett
05-23-2008, 05:26 PM
Creepers was 82 minutes, this one clocks in at 110 minutes, like the previous disc, which I believe was uncut. Even if there is some weird eclectic scene missing, it still definitely wouldn't qualify as a "heavily cut" version. So start saving up! :)

The Chaostar
05-23-2008, 05:40 PM
I'll be getting both. Plus this will be my first time viewing of Tenebre, so I'm very very excited. Can't hardly wait!

I REALLY envy you. It's a powerful experience.

dwatts
05-23-2008, 06:41 PM
As I recall, Rhett - the first kill (head through glass at waterfall) was very very grainy in the last release. Fixed here?

DrHerbertWest
05-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Creepers was 82 minutes, this one clocks in at 110 minutes, like the previous disc, which I believe was uncut. Even if there is some weird eclectic scene missing, it still definitely wouldn't qualify as a "heavily cut" version. So start saving up! :)

I guess I was just confused on previously issued R1 discs. I thought Phenomena had only been released in the U.S. as Creepers and I knew it was a heavily edited cut, so I waited for an uncut version to view for my first time. Now that I know this is the full length film, I plan on checking it out.

rhett
05-23-2008, 10:37 PM
As I recall, Rhett - the first kill (head through glass at waterfall) was very very grainy in the last release. Fixed here?
I threw in PHENOMENA before I went to bed last night, and made it just past that scene before I threw in the towel. No grain issues at all - it looked great. I'll be sure to take a cap of that for the review though and compare it with my copy of the old AB disc.

spawningblue
05-24-2008, 06:25 AM
I'll be getting both. Plus this will be my first time viewing of Tenebre, so I'm very very excited. Can't hardly wait!

I also need to pick up this box set as I too haven't seen Tenebre, Phenomena or any of the other movies in the set. Deep Red and Suspiria are two of my favourite horror films though, with Inferno, Crystal Plumage and Opera right behind. Two Evil Eyes and Cat O' Nine Tails weren't as good, but still worth watching. So, there is now way I will be disappointed with this box set as Argento is 7 for 7 in my books.

DVD-fanatic-9
05-24-2008, 03:13 PM
So, you'll be doing reviews of both discs eventually?

That's all I needed to hear. That's what I can't wait for.

blood vamp
05-24-2008, 10:14 PM
Why hasnt Blue Underground released remastered prints of these two the way they did all the other anchor bay horror titles? If they did, maybe we would see subtitles in english along with the italian mono track. Im wondering if a few months down the road, BU will do these after everyone has picked up these new reissues. Anybody else see that as a possibility?

rhett
05-25-2008, 01:33 AM
Why hasnt Blue Underground released remastered prints of these two the way they did all the other anchor bay horror titles? If they did, maybe we would see subtitles in english along with the italian mono track. Im wondering if a few months down the road, BU will do these after everyone has picked up these new reissues. Anybody else see that as a possibility?
You wouldn't want an Italian track for PHENOMENA since it was shot in English and its two leads speak it as a first language. Blue Underground hasn't done anything with their Anchor Bay Argento reissues - Deep Red is still maddeningly incomplete and without a proper theatrical cut, Suspiria still has the audio issues and Inferno is still the same bare bones disc as it always was. So even if Blue Underground did put them out (they won't, since Anchor Bay owns the rights), I wouldn't hold my breath for anything worthwhile.

Zombie Dude
05-25-2008, 02:11 AM
You wouldn't want an Italian track for PHENOMENA since it was shot in English and its two leads speak it as a first language. Blue Underground hasn't done anything with their Anchor Bay Argento reissues - Deep Red is still maddeningly incomplete and without a proper theatrical cut, Suspiria still has the audio issues and Inferno is still the same bare bones disc as it always was. So even if Blue Underground did put them out (they won't, since Anchor Bay owns the rights), I wouldn't hold my breath for anything worthwhile.

What's the audio issue with Suspiria?

dwatts
05-25-2008, 02:22 AM
OMG!

Where's Chaoster? :lol:

rhett
05-25-2008, 02:29 AM
Dwatts, I had the waterfall kill confused with the other window kill with the spear through the face. The waterfall one is still grainy as all hell, but I imagine that's how it will always look, since it was shot at 340 fps, and the only way something like that could be accommodated then was with high grain film stock. Still, it's an improvement. I'm almost done here.

dwatts
05-25-2008, 02:48 AM
Thanks for checking it out, Rhett. I was curious, because that one scene looks very out of place and odd in the film due to the sudden drop in quality.

I won't be buying this set, because the onyl title I don't have is Hitchcock - Phenomena isn't a favorite (though I ended up giving it a very favorable review at the time). Tenebrae is the one I want, and if it's complete and a bit cleaned up could well be a single disc upgrade.

Still - what we want is a blu-ray release - would love AB to speak up on that one.

bwana the clown
05-25-2008, 03:08 AM
DVDBeaver has some comparisons up. According to them it seems that Tenebre offers very little in the way of picture improvement, while Phenomena is more noticeable (but not much).

Tenebre (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/tenebre.htm)

Phenomena (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews37/phenomena.htm)

Starting to think I might hold off on upgrading these for now.

dwatts
05-25-2008, 03:14 AM
Ouch. Scratch that then. Tenebrae isn't improved by the looks of it. A new hi-def master will be our only hope it seems.

Zombie Dude
05-25-2008, 04:07 AM
The quality of both dvd's don't look that good at all. What a shame:(

rhett
05-25-2008, 04:46 AM
Here's my review:

Phenomena (http://horrordvds.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=673)

What the screenshots don't show on the Beaver is that the new progressive transfer just looks a hell of a lot sharper than the old interlaced disc, in addition to the anamorphic enhancement. It's a pretty noticeable jump if you've got even a decent sized television.

dwatts
05-25-2008, 10:10 AM
Don't you do your reviews on a relatively small set, Rhett?

rhett
05-25-2008, 10:23 AM
Don't you do your reviews on a relatively small set, Rhett?
No, I review on my 50" Wega, but I usually just throw movies at leisure on my old 28" in my bedroom.

dwatts
05-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Gotcha.

Yeah, anamorphic should help with larger screens, tis true.

The main issue here is Blu-Ray. My concerns about large picture quality are addressed far better with a nice hi-def master. Is an upgrade to an SD release worht it at this time?

Understand - Tenebrae is my favorite Argento, so this isn't something to be taken lightly. However, I'm going to hold off for the Blu-Ray release. I'm not willing to pay again for an Anamorphic flag when the image doesn't look terribly different. When a Blu-Ray version comes along, I'll be all over that!

darklight
05-25-2008, 02:32 PM
How about a Blu Ray release!

ReelFear
05-25-2008, 03:19 PM
in anticipation of the new releases i sold my old anchor bay DVDs at 20 bucks a piece. I knew i was taking a big risk if the new releases were in any way inferior. Thankfully they are at least the same if not better, and i payed only $11.99 each for the new discs. so my collection is complete again and i have an additional $15 dollars in my pocket. WHEW! that could have been a disaster. too bad Tenebre wasn't improved aside from the 16x9 enhancement. but the extra sharpness on Phenomena is a major plus.
I've been holding off on Blu-ray until now. Once the Argento and Fulci films make an appearance I will make the transition.

Jason25
05-25-2008, 05:26 PM
How about a Blu Ray release!

Amen, I'm done with the buying these reissues and I will be waiting for a Blu-ray release.

darklight
05-25-2008, 07:00 PM
Amen, I'm done with the buying these reissues and I will be waiting for a Blu-ray release.

Dude it's the only way to go. :glasses:
After spending so much cash on a new TV and HD etc I'm sure as hell not buying reissued SD DVD. Blu Ray or nothing. I still have the old Anchor Bay releases and they will sit tight until a Blu Ray release . In saying that I watched the old Anchor Bay Suspiria and Inferno upscaled to 1080P on a PS3 on a my 46" screen and they looked pretty good. All those greens/blues and reds in Suspiria were amazing. Can only dream what the Blu Ray version would look like:banana:

Phenomena didn't look too hot though. Doesn't help that's it's non-anamorphic:mad:

Vlachio
05-25-2008, 11:17 PM
I've been lucky enough to be able to rent these. I've never owned them on region 1. So no doubt I will try my best to find these on Tuesday. I have the Japanese Tenebre and the Shadows DVD also. Still I want to have these on region 1.

Now where the frak is is Fulci's The Beyond reissue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spit
05-27-2008, 10:59 PM
What a bust, my local Best Buy didnt even get 1 copy in.

I just ordered the boxset from Deep Discount...so it should be here by the end of June.

Vlachio
05-27-2008, 11:42 PM
What a bust, my local Best Buy didnt even get 1 copy in.

I just ordered the boxset from Deep Discount...so it should be here by the end of June.

Yeah I already knew that. I posted that same comment a week ago. To hell with Best Buy. They never get shit in stock.

indiephantom
05-28-2008, 12:48 AM
Weirdly my HMV has lots of these. $39.95 for the boxset, so I'm going to bite despite owing the previous editions.

Katatonia
05-28-2008, 09:17 AM
To hell with Best Buy. They never get shit in stock.

You can say that again. And they have some of the most retarded employees on Earth...errrr at this store at least.


I found Tenebre and Phenomena at Hastings for $13.99 each.

They also had the "Steel Book" set for $34.99, but I just don't need the other discs. It's the same size as a normal DVD keepcase in depth, and just didn't look very appealing personally.

Zombie Dude
05-28-2008, 09:24 AM
You can say that again. And they have some of the most retarded employees on Earth...errrr at this store at least.


I found Tenebre and Phenomena at Hastings for $13.99 each.

They also had the "Steel Book" set for $34.99, but I just don't need the other discs. It's the same size as a normal DVD keepcase in depth, and just didn't look very appealing personally.

I thought Tenebre was ment to be released in a 'steel book' case too?

Katatonia
05-28-2008, 09:34 AM
I thought Tenebre was ment to be released in a 'steel book' case too?

Nope. Phenomena and Tenebre are released in standard keepcases.

Only the "collection" is a Steel Book package.

Zombie Dude
05-28-2008, 09:38 AM
Nope. Phenomena and Tenebre are released in standard keepcases.

Only the "collection" is a Steel Book package.

I thought that might be the case. I would have loved to have a steel book of Tenebre and Phenomena.

X-human
05-29-2008, 05:01 AM
There's speculation over on AVManaics that the Tenebre DVD is a zoom in on the original analog master, instead of being a new telecine. This is based on the fact that the new DVD has the same exact cut of the film, which was in and of itself reportedly an accidentally shortened version.

http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=580439

Kinda reminds me of a song, "I don't want much I only want trust but you know it don't come easy."

Stige
05-29-2008, 11:03 AM
worth buying the box for a few extra features? I have the original phenomena from anchor bay and the 16/9 Medusa release of the intergral cut. Have the card player region 2, tenebrae the region 2 anchorbay ( 16/9) and the uncut dutch release, anchorbays do you like hitchcock, and the region 2 from optimum of trauma

what to do?

MrVess
06-04-2008, 06:41 PM
Anchor Bay is one of perhaps three remaining studios that actually give DVDs nice covers rather than use the "fill background > paste three ballon heads" template that others use...

I wonder how much it would cost them to stuck the unofficial Phenomena / Suspiria adaptation, "The First Fear", onto the "Phenomena" disc, along with a free copy of ZSNES for emulation... ;)

Zombie Dude
07-02-2008, 10:52 AM
What's happening with the review of Tenebre?

rhett
07-02-2008, 11:07 AM
What's happening with the review of Tenebre?
It's idling. I got stuck with an onslaught of work in the middle of it, and then when I finally did get a few moments I opted to review newer fare first before finishing up this beast. PAPAYA: LOVE GODDESS OF THE CANNIBALS just did a real number on me - the review will be up tomorrow, but rest assured I will be wrapping up TENEBRE shortly thereafter.

Zombie Dude
07-02-2008, 11:18 AM
It's idling. I got stuck with an onslaught of work in the middle of it, and then when I finally did get a few moments I opted to review newer fare first before finishing up this beast. PAPAYA: LOVE GODDESS OF THE CANNIBALS just did a real number on me - the review will be up tomorrow, but rest assured I will be wrapping up TENEBRE shortly thereafter.

That's cool. I just thought it had been forgotten. Good to hear it's still happening.

The Chaostar
07-07-2008, 08:47 PM
TENEBRE looks poor. Looks like the same transfer in 16/9.

vampyr789
08-03-2008, 05:03 AM
But - is the missing sequence from Tenebrae - however small - now present? That's the key!

could u describe the squence the only edits i know are this: (from dvdcompare.net)

(Anchor Bay) - No censor cuts, but a few moments are missing due to a production oversight, and due to print damage.

Zombie Dude
08-03-2008, 05:24 AM
I'm really looking forward to the Tenebre review. Too bad it's taking so long.:(

DVD-fanatic-9
08-03-2008, 10:30 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing.


TENEBRE looks poor. Looks like the same transfer in 16/9.
The audio as well?

That is SERIOUSLY going to make me re-think picking up the 5-film Argento boxset from AB/Starz. Anyone remember the good old days, when Anchor Bay would actually re-master a film for a special edition re-release? (Halloween, Hellraiser, Dawn of the Dead)

The Chaostar
08-03-2008, 04:14 PM
You dislike sexist italian horror (DEMONS thread) and you are SERIOUSLY into TENEBRE?