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rhett
11-07-2008, 05:38 AM
I love THE THING. One of the modern classics, for sure. A masterpiece of mood, character and special effects. Most of the script is expertly written, but it's got a lot of plot holes. Spoilers ahead, naturally.

Here's what I can never get my head around:

-Why does Childs take off at the end, especially after all they have been through, knowing if you are alone you are most susceptible to assimilation? And more importantly, why does the other group let them? MacReady even says "None of you are leaving my sight"...a few minutes later, he couldn't care less.

-What's all the bull with MacReady's trousers? It's an obvious red herring, but it can't really be explained. The Thing wouldn't just tear through it and plant it there to frame him, and it's established shortly afterward that MacReady definitely isn't infected, so what gives? Is Windows into wearing the other guys' clothing? Does Blair have a trouser fetish?

-Speaking of clothes, why can The Thing recreate clothing? I can buy perfectly cloning organic tissue and the memories that could be found in a perfect facsimile of the brain, but re-creating jeans, buttons, and army pants? Ehhhh....

-Who broke into the blood? They convincingly reason that it could only be two of the guys, and both guys turn out to not be infected. Only one of them had a key and he wore it at the hip. So who was it?

-Why are they all so quick to blow up their entire facility? They've narrowed it down so only Blair could be infected, and all they have to do is find him in the camp. They don't even comb through the entire place once before immediately deciding to torch the place and effectively all ensure their deaths.

-Where is the storm? Everyone keeps mentioning the storm, but whenever there is a wide shot, it looks as if it's calmest day. MacReady nearly gets "lost in the storm" heading back from his shack, which from all the establishing shots looks only about 100 feet from the main complex. It takes him 45 minutes to venture back. Huh?

The rest of the movie is so tight, and everyone acts very logical and clever, but there are those oversights that always hinder my unequivocal enjoyment of the film. As long as the Norris spider head is in the film though, I can always live with it.

BloodMan
11-07-2008, 05:53 AM
I feel the same way on most of those things mentioned... but I choose to ignore it... :)

Paff
11-07-2008, 06:17 AM
I've always wondered that about MacReady's clothes too, and the blood is a good point.

But I see the sense of destroying the camp. Blair figured this out early, that's why he set to destroy the radios and all communication. Blow up the camp, and The Thing will eventually freeze like it did after it crashed. As long as the eventual search party doesn't thaw it out like the Swedes did, of course. But if the camp is still standing, The Thing can survive as one of the scientists or maybe a dog, be rescued, and assimilate to the rest of the world. The camp had to be destroyed for humanity to have any chance.

Anaestheus
11-07-2008, 08:14 AM
As this is one of my favorite films (even though I don't consider it a great film) please allow me to add a few pennies to the table. But, I have to confess that I haven't seen it in a while, so I may be inaccurate.


-What's all the bull with MacReady's trousers? It's an obvious red herring, but it can't really be explained. The Thing wouldn't just tear through it and plant it there to frame him, and it's established shortly afterward that MacReady definitely isn't infected, so what gives? Is Windows into wearing the other guys' clothing? Does Blair have a trouser fetish?

I always assumed the Blair was "infected" fairly early in the film and was laying out devices to throw the others off. So, it was him who shredded MacReady's clothes, recognizing MacReady as his biggest threat. I think Blair was half conscious of his infection early on and may be struggling to retain control. Most of this comes from the fact that we see Blair (in human form) attack other members of the crew long before he begins to mutate. So, consciously or not, he is subversively undermining the others in an attempt to give him time to complete his ship. I could possibly even argue that the crew members who do end up mutating are also part of that distraction and that the Thing's goal is not world conquest, but just to escape.


-Speaking of clothes, why can The Thing recreate clothing? I can buy perfectly cloning organic tissue and the memories that could be found in a perfect facsimile of the brain, but re-creating jeans, buttons, and army pants? Ehhhh....

When does the Thing recreate clothing? I never saw it as cloning, but infecting and mutating. So, the crew members are not clones, but diseased, and their clothes are their own.


-Who broke into the blood? They convincingly reason that it could only be two of the guys, and both guys turn out to not be infected. Only one of them had a key and he wore it at the hip. So who was it?

Again, I assumed Blair. If I remember correctly, he is "locked" in the shed by this point, but as shown later, is more than capable of getting out. I also always suspected that the blood occured long before anyone had the idea for the test, not as a result of it.


-Why are they all so quick to blow up their entire facility? They've narrowed it down so only Blair could be infected, and all they have to do is find him in the camp. They don't even comb through the entire place once before immediately deciding to torch the place and effectively all ensure their deaths.

This one is actually explained in the film. Since Blair has cut the power, they only have a few hours left before the camp drops below freezing. They don't have time to find Blair, so destroying the camp is the best chance to kill him.


-Where is the storm? Everyone keeps mentioning the storm, but whenever there is a wide shot, it looks as if it's calmest day. MacReady nearly gets "lost in the storm" heading back from his shack, which from all the establishing shots looks only about 100 feet from the main complex. It takes him 45 minutes to venture back. Huh?

While I will concede that it is probably not effectively filmed, having gone through blizzards at night, I can definitely understand the concept of getting snow blind. Without a guiding rope, blizzards can get extrememly disorienting, especially in poor lighting. So, this has never really bothered me.

rhett
11-07-2008, 08:59 AM
I've always wondered that about MacReady's clothes too, and the blood is a good point.

But I see the sense of destroying the camp. Blair figured this out early, that's why he set to destroy the radios and all communication. Blow up the camp, and The Thing will eventually freeze like it did after it crashed. As long as the eventual search party doesn't thaw it out like the Swedes did, of course. But if the camp is still standing, The Thing can survive as one of the scientists or maybe a dog, be rescued, and assimilate to the rest of the world. The camp had to be destroyed for humanity to have any chance.
That seems an awful big sacrifice when you haven't even cased out the joint yet, though. That's like jumping off a raft because you think the weight might not be able to support the group.

I, too, thought Blair's idea to trash the camp was a good one, but something there doesn't add up either. You initially think he gutted the chopper so The Thing couldn't escape into humanity, but then at the end it becomes evident that he actually gutted the chopper so he could build a spacecraft. That's a little too MacGyver, first off, and second that's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I guess he could have been infected after he trashed the plane and decided to make do with the parts he had available to him, but ehh, kind of unstable ground there.

rhett
11-07-2008, 09:11 AM
I always assumed the Blair was "infected" fairly early in the film and was laying out devices to throw the others off. So, it was him who shredded MacReady's clothes, recognizing MacReady as his biggest threat. I think Blair was half conscious of his infection early on and may be struggling to retain control. Most of this comes from the fact that we see Blair (in human form) attack other members of the crew long before he begins to mutate. So, consciously or not, he is subversively undermining the others in an attempt to give him time to complete his ship. I could possibly even argue that the crew members who do end up mutating are also part of that distraction and that the Thing's goal is not world conquest, but just to escape.
See my post to Paff. Something doesn't really add up with either theory, him being infected after he trashes the copter or the whole time.



When does the Thing recreate clothing? I never saw it as cloning, but infecting and mutating. So, the crew members are not clones, but diseased, and their clothes are their own.
MacReady speculates on the cassette recorder that The Thing tears apart your clothes before it assimilates, and everyone wears the same clothing throughout. Given how slimy and visceral the assimilation process is, it's tough to imagine everyone it assimilates not having at the very least a stain on their clothing. So therefore it must be able to recreate the clothing that the assimilated were wearing upon replacement.

I also always suspected that the blood occured long before anyone had the idea for the test, not as a result of it.
When they get to the fridge, the blood is freshly pouring out of the fridge, as if it had just been drained. It would have been solidified at that point had it happened in advance.

This one is actually explained in the film. Since Blair has cut the power, they only have a few hours left before the camp drops below freezing. They don't have time to find Blair, so destroying the camp is the best chance to kill him.
They notice this only after blowing up every single room before reaching the actual source of the power, the generator room. It's there they discover that Blair has gutted the place for his spacecraft. I'm cool with them burning the place down to capture The Thing and all that, but at least check the power source first, especially if you know that's where The Thing is going to be to have to cease power.



While I will concede that it is probably not effectively filmed, having gone through blizzards at night, I can definitely understand the concept of getting snow blind. Without a guiding rope, blizzards can get extrememly disorienting, especially in poor lighting. So, this has never really bothered me.Yeah, it's not a big gripe. I can fabricate the storm, but in all those establishing shots, the complex is so compact and contained. Even in the harshest blizzard growing up, I could easily make it down the block to a friend's house at night. Their quarters are even shorter a distance by comparison. It's not really a distraction, though, just a silly convenience.

geeare
11-07-2008, 01:39 PM
When does the Thing recreate clothing? I never saw it as cloning, but infecting and mutating. So, the crew members are not clones, but diseased, and their clothes are their own.


i totally agree, there is no cloning, only infecting and "becoming" as far as i can tell.

SaviniFan
11-07-2008, 03:32 PM
If there is no cloning, what about the dog? Clearly during the autopsy Blair mantions something about it "absorbing" the other dogs and "imitation" dogs were developing in it internally. That suggests cloning to me.

Egg_Shen
11-07-2008, 04:06 PM
-Why does Childs take off at the end, especially after all they have been through, knowing if you are alone you are most susceptible to assimilation? And more importantly, why does the other group let them? MacReady even says "None of you are leaving my sight"...a few minutes later, he couldn't care less.


This is one of my big problems with the film. The short story doesn’t have this. Once the blood test is accomplished Blair’s plans are pretty much foiled. It’s a short story though so I suppose the screen writer felt the need to pad it. I have always wished that Carpenter had written this film himself as the screenplay isn’t really very good.
As for the clothes, I agree that Blair set all of that up.

X-human
11-07-2008, 04:46 PM
i totally agree, there is no cloning, only infecting and "becoming" as far as i can tell.

They do both. They can assimilate and then clone; although infecting is another possible way to assimilate.

Infact I'd imagine it'd be possible to assimilate a piece of someone and clone them. It's a logical step since they can infect and reproduce from the smallest amount of cells, all they needs is some hair and skin to reproduce someone. Infact breaking into the blood and sampling everyone's blood is a very logical action. Anyone could have been cloned while he was still alive and unaware. The Thing wouldn't have their memories though.

I can imagine organic clothing and dyes could be accurately reproduced, but synthetic stuff like rubber is a bit of a stretch. Certainly metals would be out of the question. Maybe they could use calcium to simulate synthetic parts of clothing.

I think The Thing was trying to create confusion. Dead or alive The Thing could use their bodies. It's very easy to see that after the first few humans were assimilated, such a plan would form in The Thing's mind. Also it's an alien, a hybrid of many different species so what it does may not make entire sense to us. Since it assimilated some humans from the other camp first it's quite possible The Thing acquired a lot of knowledge of human beings from all the scientists stuffed in these outposts.

I always thought the script was rather genius because even after many viewings you're still just as confused as the characters. But it's not a cheat. It's probably thee best haunted house story that uses its set pieces to their greatest effect. It keeps its suspense even though you know what's going to happen.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-07-2008, 04:46 PM
YAY! Someone else thinks this movie's full of shit too. Someone else on this EARTH. Finally. Long overdue, this moment is.

Anaestheus
11-07-2008, 04:51 PM
Damn. I guess I know what I am watching this weekend.

:)

Buddusky
11-07-2008, 05:52 PM
YAY! Someone else thinks this movie's full of shit too. Someone else on this EARTH. Finally. Long overdue, this moment is.



OK, You tell me a film you think is great because to think the film is full of shit I think you' re full of shit !:) You probably weren' t even born when the film was made and prefer all the cgi crap in films made now.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-07-2008, 05:54 PM
Don't worry about it. You carry yourself in a sentence as though you're younger than me anyway.

rhett
11-07-2008, 06:08 PM
They do both. They can assimilate and then clone; although infecting is another possible way to assimilate.
Very informative post, I appreciate your perspective. A lot of those projections make sense.

It's true though, The Thing does do it both ways. He absorbs the dog, but just biting Windows infects him. I like that theory about the blood and the memories, too, since some of the infected act much more obviously alien than others do.

This is one of my big problems with the film. The short story doesn’t have this. Once the blood test is accomplished Blair’s plans are pretty much foiled. It’s a short story though so I suppose the screen writer felt the need to pad it. I have always wished that Carpenter had written this film himself as the screenplay isn’t really very good.
It's not even like it's unfeasible that they be split up. All the film would have needed would be one short little scene, like "Look, if we stick together there's no way to corner him and he'll be able to anticipate our every movement. I'll go off alone the back way, and you go the rest of the way, and we'll ferret him out." Something like that, and boom, plot hole gone.

Buddusky
11-07-2008, 06:08 PM
I love THE THING. One of the modern classics, for sure. A masterpiece of mood, character and special effects. Most of the script is expertly written, but it's got a lot of plot holes. Spoilers ahead, naturally.

Here's what I can never get my head around:

-Why does Childs take off at the end, especially after all they have been through, knowing if you are alone you are most susceptible to assimilation? And more importantly, why does the other group let them? MacReady even says "None of you are leaving my sight"...a few minutes later, he couldn't care less.

-What's all the bull with MacReady's trousers? It's an obvious red herring, but it can't really be explained. The Thing wouldn't just tear through it and plant it there to frame him, and it's established shortly afterward that MacReady definitely isn't infected, so what gives? Is Windows into wearing the other guys' clothing? Does Blair have a trouser fetish?

-Speaking of clothes, why can The Thing recreate clothing? I can buy perfectly cloning organic tissue and the memories that could be found in a perfect facsimile of the brain, but re-creating jeans, buttons, and army pants? Ehhhh....

-Who broke into the blood? They convincingly reason that it could only be two of the guys, and both guys turn out to not be infected. Only one of them had a key and he wore it at the hip. So who was it?

-Why are they all so quick to blow up their entire facility? They've narrowed it down so only Blair could be infected, and all they have to do is find him in the camp. They don't even comb through the entire place once before immediately deciding to torch the place and effectively all ensure their deaths.

-Where is the storm? Everyone keeps mentioning the storm, but whenever there is a wide shot, it looks as if it's calmest day. MacReady nearly gets "lost in the storm" heading back from his shack, which from all the establishing shots looks only about 100 feet from the main complex. It takes him 45 minutes to venture back. Huh?

The rest of the movie is so tight, and everyone acts very logical and clever, but there are those oversights that always hinder my unequivocal enjoyment of the film. As long as the Norris spider head is in the film though, I can always live with it.

I think it' s medication time for you rhett. You know it's one of the best films ever made. :D I think you need to get out a bit more as you seem to have way too much spare time on your hands. A little piece of advice, seeing as you like the film, try and ignore these parts of the film which sound like they' ve been giving you sleepless nights.

rhett
11-07-2008, 06:11 PM
I think it' s medication time for you rhett. You know it's one of the best films ever made. :D I think you need to get out a bit more as you seem to have way too much spare time on your hands. A little piece of advice, seeing as you like the film, try and ignore these parts of the film which sound like they' ve been giving you sleepless nights.
Oh no, nothing like that. The fact I care enough to write so much about the thing is because I enjoy it so much. It's a fantastic film, but these complaints - and they are all minor, still hinder my absolute enjoyment of it all.

Buddusky
11-07-2008, 06:12 PM
Don't worry about it. You carry yourself in a sentence as though you're younger than me anyway.



Great comeback ! :lol:

Buddusky
11-07-2008, 06:19 PM
Oh no, nothing like that. The fact I care enough to write so much about the thing is because I enjoy it so much. It's a fantastic film, but these complaints - and they are all minor, still hinder my absolute enjoyment of it all.


I get what your saying rhett, but we could do that with every film really. I don' t think any film is 100% perfect, if you look hard enough I' m guessing you' d find flaws somewhere.

Angelman
11-07-2008, 07:36 PM
I get what your saying rhett, but we could do that with every film really. I don' t think any film is 100% perfect, if you look hard enough I' m guessing you' d find flaws somewhere.

I agree. THE THING is one of those movies that I have never questioned because it is so effective that I suspend my disbelief completely. All films depend on you setting logic aside to some extent and the better they are the more able I am to do it. I think also because of my age, etc, early Carpenter films are just in my DNA and unlike STAR WARS or HALLOWEEN there weren't endless sequels to cheapen THE THING. It just kind of stands alone as this "perfect" film that I still see through fearful 8 year old eyes.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-07-2008, 07:45 PM
Great comeback ! :lol:
Thanks, I'm rather proud of it m'self. They call me the Comeback King round these parts. Or, is it just a major pain in the ass? The votes haven't come back yet on that.

Buddusky
11-07-2008, 08:17 PM
Thanks, I'm rather proud of it m'self. They call me the Comeback King round these parts. Or, is it just a major pain in the ass? The votes haven't come back yet on that.


Votes just in: major pain in the ass ! :D:D:D

rhett
11-07-2008, 08:28 PM
Votes just in: major pain in the ass ! :D:D:D
Hopefully there's no Florida recount.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-07-2008, 08:33 PM
No, you'll all just have your votes discounted for having served jail time in your sordid pasts. :evil:

bigdaddyhorse
11-07-2008, 10:53 PM
Yeah there's minor plot holes, but be real about it. You fill in the blanks yourself, even Carpenter and Russell don't know if him or Childs was infected at the end (I tend to think Childs was, but have been warpped by reading the comics that picked up where the movie ended).

Among the beauty of this film is that unlike most crap made today, it didn't spell everything out for the audience. Maybe back then they gave people too credit on their smarts. Today too little is given since everyone has ADD or whatever new disease was made up to sell more drugs to those that just need a treadmill and punching bag. Having escaped being medicated into another person during my youth, I fucking hate how newer movies treat the audience like a bunch of retards. The majority may be stupid, but I prefer to think a bit, even when watching a movie.

X-human
11-08-2008, 12:33 AM
Among the beauty of this film is that unlike most crap made today, it didn't spell everything out for the audience. Maybe back then they gave people too credit on their smarts.

It flopped though and got terrible reviews. So yes even in the early 80's people were mostly stupid. ;)

Fistfuck
11-08-2008, 12:35 AM
Votes just in: major pain in the ass ! :D:D:D

Sensors detect a future ban-ee.

allmessedup
11-08-2008, 01:01 AM
Speaking of things that annoy me about films I love....in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, why doesn't the Cemetery Zombie eat or at least bite Johnny?

Buddusky
11-08-2008, 01:05 AM
Sensors detect a future ban-ee.

Eh, I was having a joke with DVD-fanatic-9 who typed that in first so if you look at earlier posts you will see. So stop trying to get people banned for nothing.

KGBRadioMoskow
11-08-2008, 03:14 AM
MacReady speculates on the cassette recorder that The Thing tears apart your clothes before it assimilates, and everyone wears the same clothing throughout. Given how slimy and visceral the assimilation process is, it's tough to imagine everyone it assimilates not having at the very least a stain on their clothing. So therefore it must be able to recreate the clothing that the assimilated were wearing upon replacement.

Or simply walk naked back to the original person's quarters and put on another pair of pants (isn't hard to imagine duplicate pants and sweaters). Assuming it didn't eat them while *in* their quarters, when they've taken *off* their usual day clothes. Its not like everyone kept close watch of everyone elses comings and goings in this film.

Besides, MacReady's assumption was wrong - remember Garry's assimilation? Quick and clean.

Who broke into the blood? They convincingly reason that it could only be two of the guys, and both guys turn out to not be infected. Only one of them had a key and he wore it at the hip. So who was it?

The assumption was based on the premise that only two people had the key, and that a key is the only way in. Against a lifeform capable of forming appendages in varying shapes and density, changing form to squeeze through cracks, etc. Getting into a refrigerator, locked or no, should have been trivial. Getting into the fridge without making an obvious forced entry is yet another way to cast doubt and suspicion.

Why are they all so quick to blow up their entire facility? They've narrowed it down so only Blair could be infected, and all they have to do is find him in the camp.

This, IMO was cleanly done. The logic was sound - finding Blair would be problematic, and even if they found him finishing him with their diminished numbers was uncertain. The situation had passed the point of taking any chances, he had to be burned out even if doing so meant suicide.

What wasn't sound was the almost casual separation of the humans. Once the blood test was over, not one human in that room should have EVER left the group. The thing was resourceful, but not omnipotent - separating was not necessary to catch it, just driving it into an inescapable corner which can be done even easier as a group. If instead the conclusion is its able to resort to crawlspaces, duct work, etc to escape, then no amount of separating or spreading out would be able to catch it - they simply didn't have the manpower for watching every vent or mouse hole. The only option would be burn the place down from one end of the complex to the other until there literally was nowhere else to go - and that is exactly what they did.

The other unsound part was the already proven false assumption that burning a thing corpse completely destroyed the viable organism (the blood drip assimilation proved that wrong).

Basically even burning the camp out would likely only result in a charred but partially intact Blair, ready to freeze over until an investigation team thawed his burnt ass out. Blowing Blair's-thing's ass up wasn't the answer, either - just makes lots of thing-pieces all with the same "deep fry this or else" problem. Basically short of saturating the complex with napalm, igniting it, and then bombaring the ashes with microwaves, there was no definitive end to the threat.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-08-2008, 07:03 AM
Speaking of things that annoy me about films I love....in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, why doesn't the Cemetery Zombie eat or at least bite Johnny?
Good one. Come to think of it, I've always thought that one was a bit on the overrated side as well. :eek:

MrVess
11-08-2008, 12:25 PM
-Speaking of clothes, why can The Thing recreate clothing?

Alan Dean Foster, who usually tries to fix the most stupid plotholes and mistakes he finds in the scripts that he's adapting, dealt with this by stating that the creature could "presumably" copy non-synthetic clothing.

thrashard76
11-09-2008, 07:14 AM
Blair did the initial autopsy and was elbows deep in it as it thawed on the operation table. Even with gloves on it infected him because just a single drop of blood had to come in contact with his skin. Since it wasn't a major take over of Blair's body with an all out attack on him, it took some time for the organism to replicate within Blair's body. So he was human longer, not knowing he'd already been slowly infected.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-09-2008, 10:31 AM
You guys are really hilarious, going over all the specific details like they mattered. You know what you guys look like to me? A bunch of geeks at a sci-fi convention. Yes I was under the delusional that people only liked this movie for its' gross-out and slime FX, now I'm starting to see it's a Geek-Kid's movie. Too bad I don't much care for sci-fi.

Buddusky, I was a kid when a lot of sci-fi movies were coming out but they were boring, so I turned to horror. I always thought The Thing forsook atmosphere for something, and now I know they felt they were safe as long as they could keep the geeks talking. If I'm talking about what I like and not just what I critically think about the movie, this was always too sci-fi for my tastes. Now I know it was barely meant to be a horror movie at all.

Dave
11-09-2008, 12:35 PM
I love this movie, enough so that I'm not going to bother reading through any of this thread. Plot holes and horror films go together, and if the movie is entertaining enough, you can dismiss them with ease.

However, to Rhett I would say this:


Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.

Buddusky
11-09-2008, 04:29 PM
As John Carpenter is my favourite director I think The Thing is up there with his best work and is an excellent sci-fi/horror movie.

rhett
11-10-2008, 06:26 AM
You guys are really hilarious, going over all the specific details like they mattered. You know what you guys look like to me? A bunch of geeks at a sci-fi convention. Yes I was under the delusional that people only liked this movie for its' gross-out and slime FX, now I'm starting to see it's a Geek-Kid's movie. Too bad I don't much care for sci-fi.

Buddusky, I was a kid when a lot of sci-fi movies were coming out but they were boring, so I turned to horror. I always thought The Thing forsook atmosphere for something, and now I know they felt they were safe as long as they could keep the geeks talking. If I'm talking about what I like and not just what I critically think about the movie, this was always too sci-fi for my tastes. Now I know it was barely meant to be a horror movie at all.Condescension just doesn't work when your avatar is from The Babysitter. I've seen the movie countless times and these are flaws that stick out to me, and actually through many thoughtful posts in the thread I think we've made progress in understanding the admittedly hazy logic. Geekery would be trying to derive MacReady character traits from his moves in the computer chess game.

thrashard76
11-10-2008, 06:40 AM
Geekery would be trying to derive MacReady character traits from his moves in the computer chess game.

Cheatin' bitch. :D

DVD-fanatic-9
11-10-2008, 02:28 PM
Condescension just doesn't work when your avatar is from The Babysitter.
Cute. But it's not from The Babysitter, it's of Alicia Silverstone. It's always been a rather provocative promotional image for the movie (which does blow chunks) and one of my favorite movie posters / video images.

Way to snide, there, ace. Try again.



As for what you assumed I was doing, I was not condescending. I was clearly defining the difference between sci-fi fans and horror fans. I gather this film is enjoyed by a wide gammit of trekkies, Spielberg-fanboys, and Star Wars-devotees. It's their prerogative that this movie works in spite of its many flaws. Still, as a horror fan, I found this delivers more idiotic action cliches, and sci-fi stuff, than it does good old atmosphere and human terror. You basically have to sit there and wait for the dumb transformations to finish if you're like me for the story to continue. Or for the atmosphere to come back.

Rockmjd
11-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Condescension just doesn't work when your avatar is from The Babysitter.
:lol::lol:

DVD-fanatic-9
11-10-2008, 03:00 PM
Oh, so we have two think-they're-so-clever wiseguys in the audience... Read my reply, zippy.

Anaestheus
11-10-2008, 05:21 PM
Isn't it a bit silly to be throwing the term "Geek" around derogatorily when all of us are posting to an internet forum about horror movies?

Fistfuck
11-10-2008, 06:48 PM
Isn't it a bit silly to be throwing the term "Geek" around derogatorily when all of us are posting to an internet forum about horror movies?

Hey, watch it there. You're talking about someone who THINKS BLAIR WITCH SUCKS!

Workshed
11-10-2008, 06:59 PM
Thank Zod we finally figured out who all the geeks are on this board.

Geekery would be trying to derive MacReady character traits from his moves in the computer chess game.

:lol:

But only a geek would know that, geek.

Franco
11-10-2008, 08:27 PM
MacReady nearly gets "lost in the storm" heading back from his shack, which from all the establishing shots looks only about 100 feet from the main complex. It takes him 45 minutes to venture back. Huh?

He must've dedicated some time to drink more whisky or something like that. Remember that in a scene of the movie he says all he wants is to leave and get drunk in his shack.

Meadows
11-10-2008, 09:59 PM
I believe that the best way for the central character to deal with his/her situation in any horror movie should be to tank a bottle of J&B. Should I ever find myself in the situation where my colleague's head detaches and forms the body of a spider, I would surely soil myself. However, having retreated to my shack to think things over and finish off the whisky, my perspective would change to that of a flame thrower-wielding bad-ass. The key is excess consumption of alcohol. Everything else, be it demons; serial killers; aliens, or zombies, will take care of themselves.

Buddusky
11-11-2008, 02:49 PM
I believe that the best way for the central character to deal with his/her situation in any horror movie should be to tank a bottle of J&B. Should I ever find myself in the situation where my colleague's head detaches and forms the body of a spider, I would surely soil myself. However, having retreated to my shack to think things over and finish off the whisky, my perspective would change to that of a flame thrower-wielding bad-ass. The key is excess consumption of alcohol. Everything else, be it demons; serial killers; aliens, or zombies, will take care of themselves.


My thoughts exactly !:D

DVD-fanatic-9
11-11-2008, 03:21 PM
LOL!!! I'm so glad I read that.

Buddusky
11-11-2008, 06:48 PM
LOL!!! I'm so glad I read that.


Good for you DVD-fanatic-9, did you manage to read and understand all the words ? If you ever have trouble don' t be afraid to ask for help, I' m quite sure there' s many people here who would help you to understand................ well probably not. :D

X-human
11-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Geekery would be trying to derive MacReady character traits from his moves in the computer chess game.

Oh I don't know, I think pouring booze on a computer as a chess move is a pretty definitive character trait worthy of further discussion.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-13-2008, 12:11 PM
Good for you DVD-fanatic-9, did you manage to read and understand all the words ? If you ever have trouble don' t be afraid to ask for help, I' m quite sure there' s many people here who would help you to understand... well probably not. :D
God, Buddusky, if you cash-in all your cleverness bonds now, you're not going to have anything left for the big challenges later on. :rolleyes:

Rockmjd
11-13-2008, 01:10 PM
Oh, so we have two think-they're-so-clever wiseguys in the audience... Read my reply, zippy.
Lighten up Francis.

Buddusky
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Hey DVD-fanatic I' m on a gravy train with buscuit wheels :D, but thanks for the advice.