Ghostbusters is the best film ever made, sorry Star Wars fans

[X-human]

Ghostbusters is 25 years old and, to celebrate, the whole world should just admit that it's better than Star Wars: For the simple truth of the matter is that Ghostbusters is the greatest film ever made — and yet, currently, the world is too scared to admit this. In 2009, if you stood up at a party and spoke factually — Ghostbusters should still be nominated for an Oscar every year, even now — that’s how good it is” — you would probably experience great feelings of squirminess, and embarrassment.

And that is because the generation before us has done an excellent propaganda job on installing Star Wars as the best film ever made, and we — their younger brothers and sisters — never realised how late in the day it was getting. If we’d realised a little sooner that 25 bleeding years had passed, we would have got a hustle on with shooting George Lucas’s overrated, po-faced bundle of space-tat out of the water. As it is, I think we all still thought it was, like, 1992 or something, and there was plenty of time to make the case for Ghostbusters, after we’d got over how good this new Blur album was.

So with the startling jolt of the quarter-century anniversary, the urgency of the task is now revealed. The Great Ghostbusters Campaign must start today.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article6585424.ece

I almost put this under "Other movies," but then I realized we're talking ghosts here!

Anyways, while the article makes a pretty terrible argument, I have to agree with its conclusion. There are those that try to shove Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark down your throat as thee greatest films ever made, and I'm sick of it. Ghostbusters is brilliantly inspired; with a much better script, cast, crew, production design and premise.

A big gaff of the article is that comedy is the best format for "revealing exquisite and resonant truths about the human condition." There is far more honesty in the humor of human nature than any form of expression. This is how Greek theater began after all.

Ghostbusters isn't just a bunch of one liners either. It has a great story structure. Our lead characters must prove themselves with pure grit and determination against all odds. No "discovering destiny" crap of Star Wars where Luke is a loser who needs to be built up by others, or a hired gun already on top of his game going through the motions like in Raiders of the Lost Ark. No these characters are self realized. Built up by their own well earned success which is all portrayed in the film. No "Force" or dumb luck, no short cuts. These guys use their heads and fight their way to the top.

So I think we do need to send a message. Ghostbuster fans need not look up to Star Wars fans. No, instead we should look down at their misguided fandom. For as the article ask, which would you rather have? A light saber, or an proton pack?

[fceurich39]

i really love both ghostbusters films and heck the new video game which is technically ghostbusters 3 is awesome the only downfall it is kinda short but yeah i love both movies i have the ghostbusters 1 and 2 dvd pack

i am tempted to get the blu-ray of the first film but i when i found out part 2 wasn't going to be released with part 1 blu-ray and part 2 would come out later down the road kinda pissed me off i am going to try and hold out until the 2nd film hits blu-
also i found a cool fan made trailer for the 3rd film check it out very well done i must say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whS_lTan8Ik

[captain_brandon]

Fceurich is right. I got both films, although I just like Part II, I LOVE the original seminal comedy classic that is Ghostbusters ( 1984) from Ivan Reitman and the gang. It's a great comedy/fantasy that, like Rock 'N Roll High School (1979), never falls to brighten me up and to liven up my deepest depression. I mean I TRUELY go back to being a very young tyke, who was salivating and waiting for Ghostbusters II (1989) and the original Tim Burton's Batman (1989) to hit theaters, and really wanting to see Ghostbusters II every-single-day, and the fine animated series The Real Ghostbusters was my tide over. The action figures were fine to play with as well. Dammit how I wish I kept my Ecto-1 (the car) toy! I remember seeing that in The Angry Video Game Nerd's review of the old games and wanting one off eBay right then & there.

I also love the original Star Wars trilogy 1979 - 1983), and I'll applaude George Lucas for re-releasing them in 1997 for us to be able to see them in multiplexes on the big screen, as I did. But in all honesty, Ghostbusters is a franchise I'm MUCH more of a fan of as well. I feel that Ghostbusters II should have been handled better and every two or so years, had the boys in grey who slugged it out with pretty pesky poltergeists stayed in better shape aside from Murray and Hudson, we chould have had a G3 and a G4 and a G5, ect every few summer's. It's a franchise with un-limited possabilites once one thinks about it. GBs had the power & ability to become a GREAT franchise, had Part II just been a little better and a nicer tag-on ending would have been shown and the right script from Aykroyd & Ramis came to pass on over at Columbia.

And the New York setting and all and with new characters they chould have added, it chould have become a GREAT franchise without just a so-so ho-hum sequel. By the way, I agree: The new game I picked up for the 360 is indeed underrated and it's mostly very well done. I almost shed tears, I gotta admit, after years of talks and delay once it was finally in my grubby little hands at a nearby GameStop. The only drawback is some cut scenes that were done in-house and not from the fine Terminal Reality team, has terrible, subpar lip synching, and as fceurich said, it is over all two levels two short. I believe they cut an entire level out of it before it was finished & shipped, the now much talked about 1991 Thanksgiving Day parade of New York City level, before they were done with it. Which is a shame, cause it falls about two full levels breif, even though you get to explore some awesome terroritories and all, and in praise of the game and it's makers, it never once feel's repetatie to me.

The music and voice over is spot on as well, and the game has an awesome sense of nostalgia & excitement of making YOU feel like the new rookie un-named Ghostbuster that you'll get a high from. Also, around my birthday time of last January, I picked up from TimeLife.com the Real Ghostbusters: Complete Series Collection. They had a 15% off offer I had seen on Fangoria.com that I chouldn't resist, and it was well worth it. If you grew up with the series and love the Ghostbusters, it's well worth owning, as it'll become a collectible one day. The firehouse packaging and the extra features/interviews rocks! It's a damn fine, wonderful collection to have. Too bad the re-vamped Extreme Ghostbusters with the new trainee's, wasn't really that good in the late '90s. I remember watching two episodes of that while still in school and thinking to myself "meh, I'd rather watch re-runs of the old school Real Ghostbusters myself".

Anyway, long live the franchise!

[HAEMORRHAGE]

Fine by me. I've never even watched a Star Wars and I never will.

[snowbeast323]

I've never seen Star Wars, and never want to,.....but I love Ghostbusters, so all good in my book.

[fceurich39]

Fceurich is right. I got both films, although I just like Part II, I LOVE the original seminal comedy classic that is Ghostbusters ( 1984) from Ivan Reitman and the gang. It's a great comedy/fantasy that, like Rock 'N Roll High School (1979), never falls to brighten me up and to liven up my deepest depression. I mean I TRUELY go back to being a very young tyke, who was salivating and waiting for Ghostbusters II (1989) and the original Tim Burton's Batman (1989) to hit theaters, and really wanting to see Ghostbusters II every-single-day, and the fine animated series The Real Ghostbusters was my tide over. The action figures were fine to play with as well. Dammit how I wish I kept my Ecto-1 (the car) toy! I remember seeing that in The Angry Video Game Nerd's review of the old games and wanting one off eBay right then & there.

I also love the original Star Wars trilogy 1979 - 1983), and I'll applaude George Lucas for re-releasing them in 1997 for us to be able to see them in multiplexes on the big screen, as I did. But in all honesty, Ghostbusters is a franchise I'm MUCH more of a fan of as well. I feel that Ghostbusters II should have been handled better and every two or so years, had the boys in grey who slugged it out with pretty pesky poltergeists stayed in better shape aside from Murray and Hudson, we chould have had a G3 and a G4 and a G5, ect every few summer's. It's a franchise with un-limited possabilites once one thinks about it. GBs had the power & ability to become a GREAT franchise, had Part II just been a little better and a nicer tag-on ending would have been shown and the right script from Aykroyd & Ramis came to pass on over at Columbia.

And the New York setting and all and with new characters they chould have added, it chould have become a GREAT franchise without just a so-so ho-hum sequel. By the way, I agree: The new game I picked up for the 360 is indeed underrated and it's mostly very well done. I almost shed tears, I gotta admit, after years of talks and delay once it was finally in my grubby little hands at a nearby GameStop. The only drawback is some cut scenes that were done in-house and not from the fine Terminal Reality team, has terrible, subpar lip synching, and as fceurich said, it is over all two levels two short. I believe they cut an entire level out of it before it was finished & shipped, the now much talked about 1991 Thanksgiving Day parade of New York City level, before they were done with it. Which is a shame, cause it falls about two full levels breif, even though you get to explore some awesome terroritories and all, and in praise of the game and it's makers, it never once feel's repetatie to me.

The music and voice over is spot on as well, and the game has an awesome sense of nostalgia & excitement of making YOU feel like the new rookie un-named Ghostbuster that you'll get a high from. Also, around my birthday time of last January, I picked up from TimeLife.com the Real Ghostbusters: Complete Series Collection. They had a 15% off offer I had seen on Fangoria.com that I chouldn't resist, and it was well worth it. If you grew up with the series and love the Ghostbusters, it's well worth owning, as it'll become a collectible one day. The firehouse packaging and the extra features/interviews rocks! It's a damn fine, wonderful collection to have. Too bad the re-vamped Extreme Ghostbusters with the new trainee's, wasn't really that good in the late '90s. I remember watching two episodes of that while still in school and thinking to myself "meh, I'd rather watch re-runs of the old school Real Ghostbusters myself".

Anyway, long live the franchise!

yep there was a parade level and you also got to fight a ghost shark and the scalari brothers from part 2 in a level i sure hope these will be made DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT DLC i know all the store exclusive codes are dlc so they will be on xbox live eventually

[captain_brandon]

yep there was a parade level and you also got to fight a ghost shark and the scalari brothers from part 2 in a level i sure hope these will be made DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT DLC i know all the store exclusive codes are dlc so they will be on xbox live eventually

Yup. I got a DLC code from GameStop as well. I'm hoping that eventually they'll surface on X-Box Live, as I'm no doubt sure they will. I just they just ran out of disc space. Even still, the game as you know is well worth playing again, even though I feel the Enemy A.I. and the diffifulty level on some parts is totally whacked like many games, with some things seemingly too easy and over qith quickly, and some thigns just frustraingly hard and taking an addition three or more hours to toy with. But alas, that is part of the fun, ya know?

I'm currently goin' through the Tobin's Spirit Guide (the pause menu) to see how many Ghosts I can identify and find now. I got a lot of the bonus points just playin' through regularly, but now I wanna collect more. It's pretty addictive, and hopefully, they might even make another one.

[othervoice1]

I am in the minority that I never thought Ghostbusters was all that great. It was enjoyable but it never did much for me. The original three Star Wars flicks will always be special to me though - they are in that group of films I can watch over and over the rest of my life and still enjoy. The only one of the recent episodes 1-3 that I felt almost the same way about was 3, it fell more in line with the old ones while episode 1 and 2 were really kinda of blah. So I aint hatin on Ghostbusters, I just have never thought it was as great as some have and so this goes vice versa for those of you who feel the same way about Star Wars <:

[Sam Loomis]

I don't get the point of comparing the two. Outside of being FX heavy, I don't see how they have anything in common - they're not even of the same genre!!!!

I'd rather read a true appreciation of Ghostbusters than an article that has to bash another film (and who aside from Star Wars fans consider it to be the best movie ever made?) just to prop the other film up.

Why doens't the writer ask this question: Will Ghostbusters ever become so popular and well liked that it will be considered cool and hip to bash it for decades on end?

[old-boo-radley]

If I ever watched Star Wars, I'd have to kick my own ass.

[bwana the clown]

Is anyone that actually thinks Star Wars or Ghostbusters are the greatest films ever made even old enough to make such a claim with any authority? I mean, surely they're all like 10 years old.

[captain_brandon]

Is anyone that actually thinks Star Wars or Ghostbusters are the greatest films ever made even old enough to make such a claim with any authority? I mean, surely they're all like 10 years old.

Meh, well now, while NOT the greatest 35mm films of all time, both are prime examples of the art of overtly mainstream, wonderfully done and coming together as artists, to create somethin' that is gonna last. Mean while, an actual naming of the greatest films in history, rather they're directed by Hitchcock, DeMille or Welles and the like, or a fine mainland European autour, is certianly up for a more personal debate.

But Ghostbusters as a film is actually quie underrated. One of the best one-liner and best cast films of the last 30 years, reguardless of what anyone says. To each they're own.

[Shlockjock81]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Ghostbusters. I just watched it recently after playing through the new game and have an even higher appreciation for it now than I did when I was a lad. However... I LOVE the original Star Wars trilogy too. I really can't understand why people take such a hard stance against the Star Wars flicks, claiming they will "never see it" etc.... If you're not a Sci-fi fan, I can understand. But if you're just taking this stance to say you're taking a stance and to give Star Wars fans a hard time, you're cheating yourself out of some amazing films.

Still... I have to say I prefer Ghostbusters over Star Wars lol. It's a masterpiece.

[othervoice1]

Is anyone that actually thinks Star Wars or Ghostbusters are the greatest films ever made even old enough to make such a claim with any authority? I mean, surely they're all like 10 years old.

I dont believe any of them are the best ever but still great movies that have held up over the years. My comments were more in the comparison of the two but not in comparison to any other movies.

[HoldenMcNeil]

"...Dogs and cats living together! Mass Hysteria!"

[jcannon]

While I don't consider either flick, Ghostbusters or Star Wars, to be the greatest off all time, I can sit down and watch Ghostbusters whenever. With Star Wars though I have to be in the right mood and mindset.

[X-human]

Is anyone that actually thinks Star Wars or Ghostbusters are the greatest films ever made even old enough to make such a claim with any authority? I mean, surely they're all like 10 years old.

There are lots and lots of adults who feel Star Wars is the greatest film ever made. And I'm not talking fanboys. It often comes up in polls. Second tier is Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's all rather strange because Star Wars itself is a b-movie. Not to trash b-movies, I'm just calling a spade a spade here. An A-list franchise has emerged from it, but the reality is that Star Wars itself was low budget.

I don't think I've ever heard someone call Ghostbusters the greatest, although I'm sure they're out there. This is more about the fact that while massively popular, it's still considered an underdog by the studios and the public to a certain extent. Yet there's hardly a person on the planet that doesn't like it. Then there's the run away success of the animated series and tie-in's like the new video game which is doing very well even though multiple publisher originally passed on it. Ghostbusters has always had a hard fight, I think we need to cut it some slack.

[dave13]

i agree with the principal of the statement: if the only movies in contention are star wars and ghostbusters, then GB wins hands down. when Raiders comes into the equation, things get a little murky. but yeah, GB needs to get more recognition for being the awesome flick it is.

[maybrick]

A lot of things are better than Star Wars, but to be fair, if Ghostbusters went for 2 sequels followed by 3 prequels would we feel any different? I kinda think we would. But as is it's all academic. They were smart to end the Ghostbusters franchise after the second film. However, I think rather than to reboot a film franchise they should make it into a big budget TV series.

[Matt89]

Gonna be honest here. Sure Star Wars may have been an influential film and sure it may have a good score, etc etc, but it IS a terrible movie. The direction is poor, the cinematography and editing is very uninteresting (the guy goes CRAZY with sweeps). The dialogue is crap, the acting is nothing special...

Yeah, Ghostbusters is better than Star Wars? Hell, I'd agree.

Raiders, for the record, is better than both. :)

~Matt

[shockwave]

I always thought Star Wars was highly overrated. They're fun to watch once in a while, but its not one I had to see. GB is good, although neither series are ones I watch all that often but GB is definitely one I find more enjoyable.

[Spacevis]

Never really cared that much for Star Wars. C3PO worked on my nerves and I didn't much care for the rest of the cast either... except maybe Yoda, who reminded me of my grandmother.

And I don't see anyone calling Han Solo when there's something strange in the neighborhood.

[Matt89]

Hahaha I love how the truth is finally coming out. Nobody ACTUALLY LIKES Star Wars. :lol:

~Matt

[Kim Bruun]

I like Star wars - except for The Phantom Menace and Jar-Jar Binx, of course. I've probably outgrown Ghostbusters. But I have fond memories of the first one. I remember the second one as pretty bad...

[SaviniFan]

I remember all the great word of mouth about Ghostbusters when it first hit theaters. I checked it out after a couple of weeks and to be honest, was quite bored by it. I can't quite pinpoint the reasons why, but the humor in the film just doesn't work for me. Star Wars was pretty cool seeing it in theaters when I was young, but there is no doubt that it isn't the masterpiece that all it's rabid fans make it out to be.

Now Raiders kicks both film's asses easily.

[Mattapooh]

I found the Best of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog DVD yesterday for $2.99 and grabbed it because I was a fan years ago and my wife's never seen any of the stuff there. Upon seeing him insulting nerds in the Attack of the Clones lineup, I realized how much that really fucking hurt back then.

See, I was a huge Star Wars fan as a kid (born Feb. 1980, so it was early in my life) but drifted off into GI Joes and Nintendo like we all seemed to do. Around 1992, I started getting REALLY interested in Star Wars again.... I rented the movies again, played Super Star Wars on the SNES (remember that game? AWESOME), found Star Wars Galaxy magazine, the whole deal. I still remember coming home from work when I was 17 (I worked at a gas station/convenience store) and seeing Clerks on the CBC late at night while I was by myself. It just blew my mind, here were two guys talking about the things I really loved (comics, Star Wars, cheesy movies, sex) and they were COOL in a weird sort of way.

There was kind of a "cool" subculture that involved comics, Star Wars, video games and other nerdy stuff back then. Chandler and Ross on Friends were "cool nerds", as were Dante and Randal from Clerks and loads of others. When you met Star Wars fans, they were usually pretty cool (unlike the weird, socially inept Star Trek fans).

When Episode One came out, that all went to shit. All of a sudden these pretentious, socially retarded douchebags came out of the woodwork so they could show up to the premiere in costumes and fighting with toy lightsabers. Combined with the fact that the prequels sucked dick, it completely ruined my Star Wars interest.

While I love Star Wars and LOVE Empire, I think Jedi is good but flawed and the rest are shit. I also don't dress up (although some of the toys were badass) or anything like that, but it's sad how that shit got ruined for me.

Also, sorry about the bitching here.

[Mattapooh]

Also, the best film of all time is Once Upon a Time in the West, so get that straight.

I might even accept The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, but I still think West kills it along with every other movie.

[aoiookami]

To be honest I dont really care for either..

[X-human]

A lot of things are better than Star Wars, but to be fair, if Ghostbusters went for 2 sequels followed by 3 prequels would we feel any different?

That's the point though. Ghostbusters is better than Star Wars and is itself the best selling comedy of all time. So why does the third sequel languish in development hell and why don't we have "Ghostbusters: Go to College" prequels? Why only a handful of tie-ins while Star Wars floods the retail shelves 30 years after the fact? Why there's people out there who even think Episode III is good! How bizarre is that?

And Raiders being better than Ghostbusters, are you guys crazy? Fedora vs. Nazi's? To be semi-serious, and while I do enjoy Raiders, Ghostbusters is better structurally. Productions are about equal, but I have to tip the scale to Ghostbusters for having the better script.

The Indiana Jones series is also lampooned for dropping the ball with its sequels, yet they keep coming even decades later. And he even got a live action TV series. So we get Jones4 but no GB3? What the fuck is that shit? Like GB3 could possibly be worse than Crystal Skull.

You look at all the attention Indiana and Luke gets and it's just like, "What the fuck? When does Veckman get his dues?"

[Slackjaw83]

For the record, I love Star Wars, but I would choose to watch eitehr Ghostbusters flik over any of the Star Wars saga on any given day.

That being said, it's kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

[The Chaostar]

Guys, Ghostbusters is indeed a better film. And kicks ass, yeah. But as far as sequels are concerned, Empire Strikes Backs beats the shit out of Ghostbusters II.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Ghostbusters is a fantastic movie but its not the best movie ever, its not even close.

[Myron Breck]

I grew up with the original SW trilogy, so it will always hold a certain magic for me. And I was certainly the target audience age for the original GB and enjoyed it quite a bit. But no, neither is even remotely close to being on many of my personal "best" lists. RAIDERS, on the other hand...

[HAEMORRHAGE]

I feel like my eys have been just opened. I always thought I was alone in hating Star Wars.

[Shlockjock81]

You said earlier that you've never seen any of them... yet you hate them? *shakes head*

[captain_brandon]

There was kind of a "cool" subculture that involved comics, Star Wars, video games and other nerdy stuff back then. Chandler and Ross on Friends were "cool nerds", as were Dante and Randal from Clerks and loads of others. When you met Star Wars fans, they were usually pretty cool (unlike the weird, socially inept Star Trek fans).

When Episode One came out, that all went to shit. All of a sudden these pretentious, socially retarded douchebags came out of the woodwork so they could show up to the premiere in costumes and fighting with toy lightsabers. Combined with the fact that the prequels sucked dick, it completely ruined my Star Wars interest.

While I love Star Wars and LOVE Empire, I think Jedi is good but flawed and the rest are shit. I also don't dress up (although some of the toys were badass) or anything like that, but it's sad how that shit got ruined for me.

Also, sorry about the bitching here.

I REALLY liked your latest post here, Mattapooh. Well said, my good man who is also, as I can tell by your fine avatar, into the late/great Goatboy (BIll Hicks, RIP) himself. ;)

For me, I feel the prequels should never have been made. I just knew in my heart they chouldn't stand up to our pop-culture film lover's dreams & expectations. The original Star Wars trilogy (Episodes IV: A New Hope, V: The Empire Strikes Back and VI: Return of the Jedi) are all solid, fine mainstream popcorn entertainment that helped redefine, in some ways, how overly mainstream bigger budgeted 35mm films were made (especially special FX wise), and is of still a major point of interest to me. It combines religion, science-fiction and b-movie attributes into a very interesting combination of a future (or past? Cause the opening scrowls do state "A Long Time Ago ..."). So yeah indeed: I do love A New Hope (or simply "Star Wars", ect), modest budgetary flaws and all. As well as (especially) The Empire Strikes Back and yup, Welsh director Richard Marqued's Return of the Jedi is a flawed finally instalment that chould have been improved in several ways, but I'll take it pre-hurt by CGI over the lackluster and honestly mostly shitty more modern popcorn films of the Prequel Trilogy (1999-to-2004) any ol' day of the week.

But gimmie the much more fun Ghostbusters (1984) any ol' day of the week. I've honestly heard of VERY few people who honestly dislike it, much like John Landis' Animal House and the like.

It's mostly the dullard plots and sub-par wooden acting that kills the Prequel Trilogy for me, as well much too much kiddie humor and Jar-Jar-Binks type shit. It's really too bad that Mr. Lucas can't seem to direct fuck all no more, cause the first Star Wars and American Grafitti are modest pop-art. But Empire and Jedi (as flawed as it may be) are also worthy of respect. Also why did Lucas further mess with his, as well as other artists to be fair, hard work on future editon's? I honestly wasn't happy with the '04 made special standard def DVD edition's in my boxset, so over time at Wal-Mart, I bought retail the special un-touched versions, which is how they should have been offered in the frist place. Even though I somehow prefer John William's score over Jedi's closing final moments, cause that Ewok's song "Ep-Yuck" sure is cringe-inducing. I hope Mr. Lucas enjoyed getting even more of my money. :(

But Ghostbusters (1984) is indeed a slightly better film then 1977's Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope. Several things are much, much better all around. Also, it inspired a lot more better things, like the '80s animated series. Star Wars had those rancid C-3P0 and Ewoks cartoons.

But the Star Wars FX lightsabers are really kick-ass, but for some reason, I don't wanna own one. Just a bit too geek-ish on my part (no offence ment).

And I really liked how you hit right to the point:

"When Episode One came out, that all went to shit. All of a sudden these pretentious, socially retarded douchebags came out of the woodwork so they could show up to the premiere in costumes and fighting with toy lightsabers. Combined with the fact that the prequels sucked dick, it completely ruined my Star Wars interest"

Exactly for me and many others. That shit just got ruined by a lot of my fellow older Generation-Yer's behaviour that seem'd very Star Treck fan-ish too me. No more regular dudes talkin' films like Kevin Smith's first & only halfway good movie *nods head sadly*. People just acted SO much like Star Treck fanatics, and that is one series, with at least halfdue respect, I don't wanna get into as I just NEVER, ever saw the appeal.

By the way: I also got the same Triumph: The Insult Comic Dog best of DVD, and that part at the Attack of the Clones bit is priceless and well worth the price of the disc alone. The only distasteful & mean-spirited thing I didn't like about it, and maybe it's cause I'm such a Francophile, is the part where Robert Smigel from my country here in the U.S., took his puppet and, as Conon as in the greater Toronto area doin' a week's worht of shows, they did that very ignorant & mean-spirited Quebec City interview segment. I don't know, gang: I just thought it was a bit mean, and not to mention plain stupid, to go up to regular people in a Francophobic (NOT English language speaking) province, and to harass them and to fuck around wiht'em. I actually showed it to a real French friend of mine--she's from Lyon--and she oddly enough laughed hysterically over it. Meh, to each they're own.

[Shlockjock81]

Yeah I totally agree there. The prequels are really what destroyed the whole thing, brought out all the retards, and have now created people that HATE Star Wars without having ever seen one of them.

Why can't all directors just stick to their roots?! Spielberg, Lucas, Argento, Carpenter, Craven... WHY?!?!!?!?!

[captain_brandon]

Yeah I totally agree there. The prequels are really what destroyed the whole thing, brought out all the retards, and have now created people that HATE Star Wars without having ever seen one of them.

Why can't all directors just stick to their roots?! Spielberg, Lucas, Argento, Carpenter, Craven... WHY?!?!!?!?!

I also totally agree. And shit, Spielberg: I haven't seen an above-decent film from him in ages. I'd say Catch Me If You Can was the last film of his on DVD that I bought. I Love Carpenter but he jumped the shark years ago as well.

Indeed: Those pesky/super-shit prequels just HAD to bring out the overly weird, socially inept to the multiplexes for the premiere's all over the world, but especially here on the North American continant. Which is too bad & Sad. Ah well.

[spawningblue]

I love all three franchises but would definitely put Star Wars at the top. The crappy prequels can't ruin the trilogy for me, and I did enjoy episode 3. They are all awesome though! Oh and I thought Ghostbusters 2 rocked as well, and is pretty hilarious throughout.

[KR~!]

Don't Forget the Ghostbusters Cartoon series which got released on March 31, 2009 on DVD.

[HAEMORRHAGE]

Don't Forget the Ghostbusters Cartoon series which got released on March 31, 2009 on DVD.




You mean The REAL Ghostbusters? You know, not the fake ones as the title would indicate might be out there.

[BrokeNads]

Ghostbusters is the best film ever made about ghostbusting.

[captain_brandon]

Don't Forget the Ghostbusters Cartoon series which got released on March 31, 2009 on DVD.

Yup, I got that Real Ghostbusters: The Complete Series from TimeLife.com that I ordered back in late January. It's easily one of the best packaged & made DVDs of an animated series I've ever seen on DVD, and I have man, many boxsets (trust me) of my favorite '80s and '90s cartoons series; trust me. :D It's well worth ordering.

[Shlockjock81]

I remember the episode "Mrs. Roger's Neighbourhood" scared the bejeezus out of me when I was about 5 or 6. That was the one with the demon called "What" which possessed Peter.

[othervoice1]

Id like to say in my own personal opinion if we take any movie from either series I feel that The Empire Strikes Back is not only better then the first Ghostbusters- I dont even find it close. The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars series and to me (and I am not a HUGE Star Wars geek but I do love the movies) Ghostbusters is not even worthy of consideration to topping it. Okay ready your missiles Buster Lovers.... <:

[Slackjaw83]

You mean The REAL Ghostbusters? You know, not the fake ones as the title would indicate might be out there.

Haemorrhage, they had to add that to differentiate themselves from the other "Ghost Busters" cartoon that was released at the same time (which was based on a live action TV show that pre-dated the film "Ghostbusters" by about 7 or 8 years).

Here's the intro :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo0FVs9KvrQ

I remember it being played a lot on USA's "Cartoon Express" along with gems like The Pac Man cartoon and Hulk Hogan's "Rock'n Wrestling"

[X-human]

Ah see, some more Raiders fans come out of the wood work. Do you guys see how mystified the rest of the world is by you? Such a middle child.

Id like to say in my own personal opinion if we take any movie from either series I feel that The Empire Strikes Back is not only better then the first Ghostbusters- I dont even find it close. The Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars series and to me (and I am not a HUGE Star Wars geek but I do love the movies) Ghostbusters is not even worthy of consideration to topping it. Okay ready your missiles Buster Lovers.... <:

Eh, The whole ice planet thing is off balance from the rest of it, and almost all of the cloud city stuff is a solid mess. It's better than New Hope and certainly better than Jedi, but stand alone it's pretty weak.

I'd rather watch GB2 any time of the day over Empire. What's with the hate on GB2 anyways? Can anyone give reasons on that? I know the statue of liberty is a sticking point (yet I can't think of a better script solution) but beyond that it's a pretty solid flick.

[Spacevis]

Peter MacNicol is what made the 2nd GB film less enjoyable for me. Other than that, I love me some slime :D

[captain_brandon]

EhI'd rather watch GB2 any time of the day over Empire. What's with the hate on GB2 anyways? Can anyone give reasons on that? I know the statue of liberty is a sticking point (yet I can't think of a better script solution) but beyond that it's a pretty solid flick.

Yup I agree: I finally picked up the Parts 1 & 2 Ghostbusters green-colored boxset last year, at a Super Wal-Mart, and popped both in my Sony Bravia up-converter theater system. And honestly, even though I agree Ghostbusters 2 IS an inferior film to the almighty original, it's NOT the cringe-inducing mess many make it out to be, and it's one of the great Summer Films of the almighty '89 film season. Yes, I said it! ;) It's right up there with Burton's Batman and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I don't like the soundtrack (such as the replaced Ray Parker Jr classic pop song with RUN D.M.C.'s track), and it is actually a tab bit darker, but yeah, it's still a very fun, solid flick indeed. Lots of fun slime gags in it, with fun set pieces. And dammit if Prince Vigo of Carpathia isn't even more interesting lead villian then Gozor the Gozarian.

RIP Williem Von Homberg. :( (Carpenter's Prince of Darkness, Die Hard, Ghostbusters II)

[allmessedup]

Put me in the camp that doesn't really care for either, but thinks RAIDERS is great. [TEMPLE OF DOOM sucks, though--I liked the third one pretty well. The 4th is like some kind of weird appendix to me.]

Out of all the various science fiction/action/fantasy films, etc. from my childhood, RAIDERS is pretty much the only one that I enjoy as much as I did when I was a kid.

Horror remains timeless for me, though.

[maskull]

Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones.

Love `em all. I have to admit though that I'd never thought which of these movies I prefer. Didn't need to because they're all completely different movies. Of course now that I've thought about it, I'd probably give GB the edge cause I watch it more and because Bill Murray's in it.

But yeah. None of them would be in my top ten "Greatest Movies Of All Time".

[_pi_]

I love the original Star Wars movies and I love the Ghostbusters movies (both of them .. Prince Vigo used to scare me to death when I was a kid). That said, I could watch either Ghostbusters movie a million times and never get bored, but Star Wars is something I only revisit every couple of years.

So, yes, I agree - Ghostbusters is the best film ever made. Sort of.

[X-human]

Peter MacNicol is what made the 2nd GB film less enjoyable for me. Other than that, I love me some slime :D

Yeah I can see that, as even I think by the end he just ends up getting in the way as Vigo steps up to the plate. But in most of the film for me he's good enough: "Thee upper vest side." He's also one of the better things in Dracula and was the only one watchable on Ally McBeal (besides the eye candy).

But to put it in a Star Wars context, is he that different from say C-3PO? Or heaven forbid Jar-Jar. Obviously we're not talking perfect films here, and even Tully's got his up and downs in the original Ghostbusters. His first appearance is cringe inducing, but later on he becomes a much better character. They never got his character right on the animated series.

[allmessedup]

BTW, Ghostbusters 2 was one of the last movies I ever saw in a drive-in.

[HAEMORRHAGE]

BTW, Ghostbusters 2 was one of the last movies I ever saw in a drive-in.




Vigo destroyed all drive-ins with his presence.

[captain_brandon]

I love the original Star Wars movies and I love the Ghostbusters movies (both of them .. Prince Vigo used to scare me to death when I was a kid). That said, I could watch either Ghostbusters movie a million times and never get bored, but Star Wars is something I only revisit every couple of years.

So, yes, I agree - Ghostbusters is the best film ever made. Sort of.

Same thing here. I mean I did re-buy the Theatrical Edition's of the first three Star Wars (A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) this year retail at a Super Wal-Mart, cause that's how I orignially saw them and even though I did enjoy the Special Edition's in a multiplex in 1997, it's just an obsessive "everything is always imperfect" film maker's needless tamporing. Plus the CGI dance number in Jedi is cringe-inducing as well as the 'new & improved' entrace to good ol' Mos Isley space port in A New Hope.

I didn't mind re-buying them, and I do I really enjoy them. Especially Emprie and Jedi. Return of the Jedi is actually one of the first films I REALLY remember watching an entire fuckload as a young lad on HBO when HBO & Cinemax brefily ruled the fuckin' world. But the orginal Theatrical Cuts is how I feel they should be seen. The CGI tampering or a few extra seconds at Cloud City in 1980's Empire Strikes Back, or a few extra seconds with the ice monster Luke slice's the hand off and a few extra seconds with the lovely London born Lillith the dancer in Jedi, make absolutely no difference at all when they're gone. Sorry if anyone disagree's with me. I will admit, however, that John William's replace music on the special edition of Jedi is a lot better, though.

As for me: I just prefer Ghostbusters. It's a piece of mainstream, wonderfully done all around popcorn entertainment that just NEVER get's old. And from the toys on down to the animated series and the new video game (however, BOTH series, Star Wars and Ghostbusters, have an entire fuckload of super shitty games between them, if ya ask me, as I've owned multiple consoles in my day) just rocks.

The original seminal classic Star Wars trilogy again I DO love, but it's a once or twice a year thing for me to clean up my theater system set up and my TV set and to pop some popcorn and to sit down and watch'em. I chould watch Ghosbtusters twice a month or more, and The Real Ghostbusters (the animated series) I'm still goin' through with my TimeLife.com boxset, which really should win awards in packaging & presentation alone.

[Spacevis]

He's also one of the better things in Dracula and was the only one watchable on Ally McBeal (besides the eye candy).


You mean Dracula: Dead and Loving It ... yeah, that's true, he was pretty funny in that one. He was like Tom Waits on acid :p

[Angelman]

You know what sucks? Once upon a time I would really have gone to bat for SW, but now I just don't have the fight in me. Not only have I seen the first two SW films (SW, ESB) maybe 200 times each - making them very played out - but those prequels DID harm the legacy of the 70s-80s flicks. They did. I know people older than me and they went and saw the original SW 20+ times in the theater because it was so fresh and exciting. Now? Who cares.

And how hard were the prequels to get right? Stallone made me believe a 61 year old boxer could still fight 30 years after the original and Lucas, with all the money in the world, made crap video game looking films.

But Ghostbusters? That's not even the best Bill Murray movie.

Stuff like Jaws, Halloween, Star Trek II just have a lot more staying power (for big 70s-80s "nerd" films) for me. SW can suck it. I feel sad saying that but if I never saw those flicks again, I'd be just fine.

[X-human]

You mean Dracula: Dead and Loving It ... yeah, that's true, he was pretty funny in that one. He was like Tom Waits on acid :p

...isn't Tom Waits always on acid? Throughout all of his Dracula stint he looked like he was having a pretty bad trip.

But Ghostbusters? That's not even the best Bill Murray movie.

Stuff like Jaws, Halloween, Star Trek II just have a lot more staying power (for big 70s-80s "nerd" films) for me. SW can suck it. I feel sad saying that but if I never saw those flicks again, I'd be just fine.

Not too sure I get the ST obsession with Kahn either. I like VI better. I recently watched the entire series and the odds really seemed to go up in my estimations, especially ST V which had a good concept (search for God, finds the devil) and I really dug Shattner's gunslinger in space approach (just didn't fit ST universe). Ah well.

Just reading the behind the scenes of Star Wars is what made me lose my fandom (before the prequels even came out). Most other movies I gain appreciation, but you get a sense that Lucas had no fucking clue what he was doing. It really is a miracle that the first Star Wars is even watchable, if you see some of the cut footage you'd understand.

[Severn]

Ghostbusters is 25 years old and, to celebrate, the whole world should just admit that it's better than Star Wars:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article6585424.ece

I almost put this under "Other movies," but then I realized we're talking ghosts here!

Anyways, while the article makes a pretty terrible argument, I have to agree with its conclusion. There are those that try to shove Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark down your throat as thee greatest films ever made, and I'm sick of it. Ghostbusters is brilliantly inspired; with a much better script, cast, crew, production design and premise.

A big gaff of the article is that comedy is the best format for "revealing exquisite and resonant truths about the human condition." There is far more honesty in the humor of human nature than any form of expression. This is how Greek theater began after all.

Ghostbusters isn't just a bunch of one liners either. It has a great story structure. Our lead characters must prove themselves with pure grit and determination against all odds. No "discovering destiny" crap of Star Wars where Luke is a loser who needs to be built up by others, or a hired gun already on top of his game going through the motions like in Raiders of the Lost Ark. No these characters are self realized. Built up by their own well earned success which is all portrayed in the film. No "Force" or dumb luck, no short cuts. These guys use their heads and fight their way to the top.

So I think we do need to send a message. Ghostbuster fans need not look up to Star Wars fans. No, instead we should look down at their misguided fandom. For as the article ask, which would you rather have? A light saber, or an proton pack?

Given the choice I'd rather watch Starship Troopers than either Star Wars or Ghostbuster's movies. That movie only gets better with age.

[Angelman]

...isn't Tom Waits always on acid? Throughout all of his Dracula stint he looked like he was having a pretty bad trip.

Not too sure I get the ST obsession with Kahn either. I like VI better. I recently watched the entire series and the odds really seemed to go up in my estimations, especially ST V which had a good concept (search for God, finds the devil) and I really dug Shattner's gunslinger in space approach (just didn't fit ST universe). Ah well.

I like VI. Just Khan had some great thematic things running through it (grappling with age, mortality) and some good, tight submarine ship-to-ship style warfare. VI was definitely satisfying but not Khan by any stretch (for me), writing or otherwise.

And I'd rather watch Stripes than Ghostbusters.

[captain_brandon]

...isn't Tom Waits always on acid? Throughout all of his Dracula stint he looked like he was having a pretty bad trip.


Just reading the behind the scenes of Star Wars is what made me lose my fandom (before the prequels even came out). Most other movies I gain appreciation, but you get a sense that Lucas had no fucking clue what he was doing. It really is a miracle that the first Star Wars is even watchable, if you see some of the cut footage you'd understand.

I must say, to X-Human, I can completely get you and understand, cause on the '04 Star Wars special edition boxset, on the Empire of Dreams big documentary, I agree that a lot of that cut Episode IV (A New Hope) footage was quite bad, in addition to the usual lousy/wooden acting that Lucas directs. I loved how he talked about how he had to let his original Editor on the film "Go".

[Fistfuck]

This is the stupidest thread ever.

[dave13]

This is the stupidest thread ever.

maybe you should go check out the word association thread that refuses to die before you go making accusations like that.:rolleyes:

[captain_brandon]

maybe you should go check out the word association thread that refuses to die before you go making accusations like that.:rolleyes:

:lol: Brilliant responce. :D

[captain_brandon]

Video interview in which Ramis talks G3. HORAY! :D)

http://www.fangoria.com/home/news/9-film-news/3181-harold-ramis-talks-ghostbusters-3.html

[Slackjaw83]

Throw me (and my wife) into the "Ghostbusters 2 is a good movie" camp as well. I saw it in theaters as a kid (seriously, it was the best summer I can remember for theatrical releases for me) and I've always enjoyed it. Sure, the "love slime" is a little hokey, and, yes, The Statue of Liberty is a bit wacky, but, honestly, I just think it works (plus, the abandoned train station scene is actually validly creepy).

Strangely enough, my wife is NOT a fan of Ghostbusters in any way, but enjoys both "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon and "Ghostbusters 2" immensely. :eek2:

[X-human]

Video interview in which Ramis talks G3. HORAY! :D)

http://www.fangoria.com/home/news/9-film-news/3181-harold-ramis-talks-ghostbusters-3.html

Wow, that really is a great interview, although the interviewer was attrocious. Ramis seem even more straight forward than you'd ever expect. I'd be slightly more interested if he directed instead of Reitman. After all, he's had more recent success. But it's all about Dan Aykroyd, he's the heart of the Ghostbusters.

Ramis also touched on something I really love about Ghostbusters which is the everyday man world view of it. These guys don't operate that differently from regular exterminators. Ghostbusters probably has the best balance between the real and the fatastic that I've ever seen in a film. "You'll believe a man can bust ghosts."

Strangely enough, my wife is NOT a fan of Ghostbusters in any way, but enjoys both "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon and "Ghostbusters 2" immensely. :eek2:

Sounds like grounds for divorce to me; "It's all or nothing babe!"

[fceurich39]

i sure hope when ghostbusters part 2 hits blu-ray it will include deleted scenes/outakes that is seen during the credits

[captain_brandon]

Wow, that really is a great interview, although the interviewer was attrocious. Ramis seem even more straight forward than you'd ever expect. I'd be slightly more interested if he directed instead of Reitman. After all, he's had more recent success. But it's all about Dan Aykroyd, he's the heart of the Ghostbusters.

Ramis also touched on something I really love about Ghostbusters which is the everyday man world view of it. These guys don't operate that differently from regular exterminators. Ghostbusters probably has the best balance between the real and the fatastic that I've ever seen in a film. "You'll believe a man can bust ghosts."



Sounds like grounds for divorce to me; "It's all or nothing babe!"

Yup. I also agree that the interviewer was a bit off-kilter, but I did love Mr. Ramis' responceses and that how spoke up. Wonderful mini thrashing of the manufactured Raimi directed Spider-Man 3 as well. ;)

I agree that the heart of the Ghostbusters is hands-down Dan as well. He has this intense passion for both films and showed his support as often as he chould for The Real Ghostbusters as well. He need's the final say-so in the shooting script and should be involved in any & alll future re-writes. Ivan Reitmann admitedly hacked out a while ago, so I'm okay with somene else directing and him just stayin' on as an Executive Producer or whatever.

Oh and I agree that they infact have this fine Everyman/Exterminator's with great one-liners quality. That, in fact, is a large great part of they're appeal to be, even though they are (as characters) also of course thrown out on they're collective asses shamed Scientists. I would say also Bill Murray is a prime example of what makes both films, not just the classic original work, and definately as well Arkroyd.

Here is to hoping the best on the project.


fceurich39
i sure hope when ghostbusters part 2 hits blu-ray it will include deleted scenes/outakes that is seen during the credits

Yup, plus the original ending from the '98 theatrical run, with Slimer playfully running into us/the camera as it fades out to the credits. There was a lot of visual sight gags from the make-up FX people as well as ILM that was dropped for slowing the film down and for not working, and the like, and I hope some more of that comes to fruitation in thw new format's years. A lot with Luis Tully (Rick Moranis) trying to be a Ghostbusters himself, I know, was cut before the end.

[BrokeNads]

I see Ghostbusters again last week because I am not see this movie for many years and I find boring and not good like my memory rememebers. Is some good parts but is most talk and many jokes is not funny. Is good in some parts but I think is very average. Is not need to say sorry to Star Wars fans ghostbusters is not near to the quality and fun from original Star Wars.