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NaturesMistake
11-15-2009, 06:53 PM
Let me start off by saying that I have wanted Blu-Ray since it beat out HD-DVD...

However, I recently went hd, and you know what? I think I'm going to hold off on blu (I was almost ready to throw down on a player then and there). Hd on-demand and upscaled dvds look amazing (my 2001, Alien, and T2 dvds made me wet myself). My new television is a 50 inch Samsung plasma, so the size of the screen isn't an issue.

Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate edition looked awesome as well.

Mind you there is an extra depth on some films (Apocolypto HD blew my Standard def dvd out of the water, but there were a couple of upscaled dvds that hung in with their hd broadcast counterparts).

As I see it, I just don't see the need to upgrade as of yet...

The true killer of my faith in blu was when I saw a midnight Screening of Aliens. It wasn't until after the showing that I found out they used a dvd and upscaled it on their projector...

Blu looks good (a bit better than the HD broadcasts) but not good enough to re-buy all my favorite films (especially when upconversion using the proper cables looks so damn good).

...and yes, I can spot the differences, I have 20/20 vision, I just feel Blu is over hyped.

Note: I did a Child's Play comparison. The dvd was surprisingly close to the broadcast. The broadcast had more of a pop, but only by a margin (both looked excellent).

hots4
11-15-2009, 07:15 PM
i'm with you there, my hatchet, splinter and dirty sanchez the movie dvd's look fantastic upscaled on my HD tv, i'm more than happy at the moment with this.

Dave
11-15-2009, 09:47 PM
To each their own. Upscaled looks great but generally speaking the blu of the same movie is going to look better. It really just depends on how much quality you are looking for.

I went HD-DVD when it died because prices were dirt. Seeing HD got me hooked and I added blu as well.

Just keep in mind, you don't need to rebuy your entire collection.

I have a dozen blu-rays. That's it. And I've owned blu since last Thanksgiving. I actually bought my player on Thanksgiving Day. Some of my favorite, most watched movies are the ones I have bought over the past year. If it's an occasional viewing, I'm in no hurry to upgrade. I wanted the HD-DVD import of T-2 and the blu of T-2, but I generally watch the flick once a year and I'll stick to the DVD I bought about 10 years ago for the time being.

Now, with prices dropping on blu software, I'm getting more and more tempted to upgrade titles here and there. Predator blu for $9.99 on Amazon? Yum. Makes me want to ditch the DTS DVD I have of it. I haven't, and may not anytime soon, but it makes me want to.

But any NEW purchases I get - ALL blu unless it's DVD only for some reason. And that's really the key for me. It's not about stuff I already have on DVD. It's about everything else going forward - I want all that on blu.

shape22
11-15-2009, 09:58 PM
There's nothing wrong with the look of a well-authored DVD upscaled to 1080p. And for the average consumer, maybe the difference is negligible. But you sound like a home theater enthusiast. And if you are, there is absolutely no comparison between a strong Blu-ray transfer and any DVD transfer--regardless of the upscaling abilities of your DVD player.

I resisted making the jump to Blu-ray until I could justify paying the price for Oppo's player. So I am no early adopter. I too questioned the quality difference of DVD versus Blu-ray--right until the minute I popped in a few Blu-ray discs. You'd believe the hype if you checked it out yourself. An HDTV broadcast really falls short of a well-authored Blu-ray disc. You'll see far less compression and motion artifacts on Blu-ray versus HDTV.

The resolution improvement is only part of the equation. Color saturation and black levels are enormously improved on BD. And don't forget the sound improvements that the BD format makes possible.

Watching an all-time favorite with a strong Blu-ray transfer is a really exhilarating experience. I've seen Goldfinger hundreds of times. But it's a substantially different experience on Blu-ray. Just watching it made me giddy like a little kid. I noticed all kinds of things that eluded me before.

And here's the real proof of the superiority of this format. I now notice all kinds of video imperfections on standard DVDs and HD broadcasts that I didn't notice before. I thought I had a discerning eye before growing accustomed to BD. I didn't. But I certainly do now.

With Christmas around the corner it's the perfect time to treat yourself to an upgrade. Prices will be attractive. And you'll ultimately save yourself money. I now realize how much I cost myself by waiting so long to make the jump. I'm slowly replacing most of the newer releases in my collection. Had I upgraded sooner, I wouldn't be feeling the need to double-dip. If your ultimate goal is to upgrade to Blu-ray, don't wait.

evildeadfan123
11-15-2009, 10:43 PM
Right now, I haven't upgraded to a HD TV and Blu-Ray Player. I am waiting for it to go down in price.

17thJuggalo
11-15-2009, 11:15 PM
It still depends really. New movies look amazing on Blu, there's no doubt about that. However, old films that have been upscaled on DVD look nearly the same on Blu, at least from my experience so far.

Katatonia
11-15-2009, 11:59 PM
I have quite a few "old films" on Blu-ray that look fantastic, rivaling any newly produced film in clarity and sharpness.

It really depends on what you're happy with. Most DVD's will look pretty good upscaled.

Some Blu-ray releases are better than others. Simply because a movie gets released on Blu doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to blow you away in HD. Some films simply have better source materials to work from. I've seen some recent films that have played in theaters that aren't exactly "WOW" in HD/Blu-ray.

Sometimes the picture quality won't be a major leap, but the audio will be a vast improvement. The Logan's Run Blu-ray for instance doesn't look the greatest in HD, but the DolbyTrueHD audio track is clear as a bell and vastly superior to the old DVD.

I have yet to see a Blu-ray that looks worse than it's old DVD release(s).

Paff
11-16-2009, 01:14 AM
With Christmas around the corner it's the perfect time to treat yourself to an upgrade. Prices will be attractive.

This.

I just went HD last year after X-mas, so this year I'll probably make the Blu Ray jump. Like others have said, I'll mostly reserve it for newer movies, and a few favorites. Under no cirumstances do I plan to upgrade all my DVDs.

Additionally, I'll make a leap over DVD on much of my Laserdisc replacing. I only replaced a handful of LD titles on standard DVD. But now that LDs look so awful on my HDTV, I know I'm gonna have to replace some titles. Makes sense to just go Blu on those.

indiephantom
11-16-2009, 02:03 AM
I've been getting Blu-rays since July of 2008. I have no intention of upgrading all or even most of my SD DVD collection. For BD right now I just watch on my laptop. I still only have a standard TV set (but a pretty sweet one from Sony with XBR, 53", and all the fixins). I will wait a few years before getting a proper HD today and stand-alone BD players should be nicely evolved by then, too. I have over 100 BDs, so when I first get that setup (and a new audio upgrade to lossless sound) I will be having a blast with the collection I've begun.

Surprisingly, I'm pretty content watchin BD on my 1080p laptop for now. Damn that looks nice!!:)

rxfiend
11-16-2009, 02:48 AM
I have yet to see a Blu-ray that looks worse than it's old DVD release(s).

While I haven't seen it myself, a lot of people say Gojira looks worse on blu ray than the DVD version.


In regards to the earlier comments about older films on blu ray. Most of my current collection of HD titles are older films and that's really where the format shines IMO. Checking out 2001, Halloween, Dawn of the Dead, Creepshow, Blade Runner, Day the Earth Stood Still, Amityville Horror, etc... on the format is quite the thrill. I've seen these films numerous times, but when watching them in HD, it's like seeing them for the first time. To me, it's more of a "wow" factor than seeing a modern film in HD.

ronnie21
11-16-2009, 10:45 AM
like he said. some older tittle dont transfer well over to blu ray. there are good review sites that will tell you what to stay away from. I only got a blu ray player cause i wanr Rush R30 which is being released in its entirity only on blu ray. But night of the creeps looks really great on blu-ray. so does the Police live concert, and blade runner too. But i read that some other ones dont look too good.

Grim
11-16-2009, 06:03 PM
Let me start off by saying that I have wanted Blu-Ray since it beat out HD-DVD...

However, I recently went hd, and you know what? I think I'm going to hold off on blu (I was almost ready to throw down on a player then and there). Hd on-demand and upscaled dvds look amazing (my 2001, Alien, and T2 dvds made me wet myself). My new television is a 50 inch Samsung plasma, so the size of the screen isn't an issue.

Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate edition looked awesome as well.

Mind you there is an extra depth on some films (Apocolypto HD blew my Standard def dvd out of the water, but there were a couple of upscaled dvds that hung in with their hd broadcast counterparts).

As I see it, I just don't see the need to upgrade as of yet...

The true killer of my faith in blu was when I saw a midnight Screening of Aliens. It wasn't until after the showing that I found out they used a dvd and upscaled it on their projector...

Blu looks good (a bit better than the HD broadcasts) but not good enough to re-buy all my favorite films (especially when upconversion using the proper cables looks so damn good).

...and yes, I can spot the differences, I have 20/20 vision, I just feel Blu is over hyped.

Note: I did a Child's Play comparison. The dvd was surprisingly close to the broadcast. The broadcast had more of a pop, but only by a margin (both looked excellent).

2001 on blu is absolutely fucking fantastic. I don't care how great the upscaled DVD looks. If you're a fan of the film, you owe it yourself to get the blu or at least rent it. Sheer eye-porn.

And yeah I think it comes down to what you're expecting to get out of the format. I think a lot of people will starting diving into it now, as players are about the same price as DVD players were when I got my first. We sell a really nice Panasonic blu-ray player for $169.99. HDTV's in general have taken a serious plummet in price. I paid $2199.99 (after price-matching, it was usually around $2599.99) for my Samsung 46" A650 in April 2008 and this year's model (B650) sells for around $1599.99. And it has double the contrast ratio. I can only imagine how much they'll drop in 2010.

bigdaddyhorse
11-16-2009, 07:39 PM
They now have Sony BD players with BD-Live at Wal-Mart for $148. Forgot to grab the model number, but I'm pretty sure being Sony it's not gonna be crackable to play all regions. Still, looks to be a better player than I bought there for the same price 3 months ago. I don't have BD-Live (not that I want it really, from all I've read it's underwheling at best so far).

Matt89
11-16-2009, 07:50 PM
I went blu about a year and a half ago. I now have maybe 50+ blu-rays. I didn't plan on it, but blu-ray disc prices began to plummet (drastically in some cases) - for example, Best Buy had a sale on Anchor Bay blu-rays, and the blu-rays of Hellraiser and Dawn of the Dead had been marked down from $28.99 to $15.99, so I gave in. HMV has a pretty neat blu-ray sale on right now, might grab Silence of the Lambs for $20. Criterion's blu-rays are as cheap as the DVDs and aren't outrageously overpriced. Overall, I've been pretty happy with blu-ray quality (like Grim said, 2001 is un-fucking-believable on blu-ray) and the prices...well you GOTTA know where to look. Best Buy has sales all the time, same goes for amazon (the blu-ray of The Graduate is $10.99, cheaper than the DVD!)

~Matt

NaturesMistake
11-16-2009, 08:56 PM
I just checked out my Blade Runner set, and it too looked unbelievable upscaled.

I might get blu in the future, I'm just not in any rush...

Fumi
11-17-2009, 02:59 PM
I've got a PS3 with Blu ray player. Was pretty excited about it, until I found that on my 32", 720p TV, there's no noticeable difference. I was even sitting 6' in front of the TV, just to make sure that I'd be able to spot the smallest improvement. Nope, DVD's on my upscaling player look every bit as good.

So much for that.

Ash28M
11-17-2009, 03:23 PM
I've got a PS3 with Blu ray player. Was pretty excited about it, until I found that on my 32", 720p TV, there's no noticeable difference. I was even sitting 6' in front of the TV, just to make sure that I'd be able to spot the smallest improvement. Nope, DVD's on my upscaling player look every bit as good.

So much for that.

DVD's will look great on a 32", 720p. They can handle that size easily. It's when you get a larger TV that DVD's start to struggle and the differences really show. I have a 61" 1080p and I can easily tell the difference.

horrorlover
11-18-2009, 04:05 AM
I have a 32" tv, and i can tell a difference between blu ray's and dvd's. My upscaling dvd player is a Pioneer so it should do a good job, but still blu ray's look better.I never see compression blocks on blu ray's like you often do on a DVD.

indiephantom
11-18-2009, 06:31 AM
One question, do Blu-ray players automatically upscale DVDs. As mentioned, I just watch BDs on my laptop, but even here I see a drastic diff. in quality from DVD. Never really noticed if DVDs played better in my PC drive.

Reverenddave
11-18-2009, 06:53 AM
In my early days of HD, I was watching the HD-DVD of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Halfway through it got glitchy, and I flipped to the DVD side (HD-DVD/DVD combo disc).

It was like my screen was covered in a thick layer of dirt. The detail had noticeable dropped. The colors were drab and lifeless.

I'd always felt that DVD upconversion was pretty good. But it really doesn't compare to true HD.

Hellbilly
11-18-2009, 07:58 AM
I noticed that lots of Sony DVD titles not older than 5 years look especially amazing upconverted on my set. I was blown away by Decoys 2's image quality. It was like looking at multicolored cotton candy lit underneath a christmas tree :D Seriously though, the colors at display made me go whoa several times. Another Sony title that left a lasting impression was Insanitarium. Most likely the goriest R-Rated movie I've seen, breathtakingly rich on detail during every little or big blood squirting splatter effect.
However, not even the best looking upscaled DVD can touch the awesomeness of Coraline on Blu-ray (there should be a law that forbids Coraline to be viewed on standard DVD). I pop that one in whenever friends or family come by to check out my HD set. Wide open eyes and dropping jaws guaranteed.

MacReady
11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
I guess I am in the minority here,but for me the best thing about blu ray is the sound traks.

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 are far far better than plain old Dolby 5.1.
Granted,youll need a fairly new reciever to play Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio,
but you need a HD tv to take advantage of the higher resolution.

In my view,the improvement of sound traks on blu rays vs dvd is more impressive than the improvement in picture quality.

youthief
11-20-2009, 10:14 PM
The only reason I went Blu is because of the Curtis Mathes CMMBX72 here; http://www.target.com/Curtis-Mathes-Blu-ray-Disc-Player/dp/B001COGXMC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1038576&keywords=curtis%20mathes&field_browse=1038576&searchSize=30&id=Curtis%20Mathes%20Blu-ray%20Disc%20Player&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1038576&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=target104545&searchPage=1&field_keywords=curtis%20mathes My all-region DVD player died and I needed a replacement. It turns out that this model plays PAL, NTSC DVD's and Blu-rays. I've gotten my moneys worth out of it.

bigdaddyhorse
11-20-2009, 11:07 PM
The only reason I went Blu is because of the Curtis Mathes CMMBX72 here; http://www.target.com/Curtis-Mathes-Blu-ray-Disc-Player/dp/B001COGXMC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1038576&keywords=curtis%20mathes&field_browse=1038576&searchSize=30&id=Curtis%20Mathes%20Blu-ray%20Disc%20Player&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1038576&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=target104545&searchPage=1&field_keywords=curtis%20mathes My all-region DVD player died and I needed a replacement. It turns out that this model plays PAL, NTSC DVD's and Blu-rays. I've gotten my moneys worth out of it.


Any idea if it plays other region Blu-ray's (or other region anything for that matter)? If it does, I'm gonna see if it's in stock down the road at Target, or order one soon if not. My BD player won't even play region free PAL, it's a bitch about that and region codes, so this one is already better in that aspect.

youthief
11-21-2009, 12:08 AM
It plays the UK Blu-ray of The Thing. It's the only PAL Blu I have for now. It also plays all of my PAL DVD's, region 2 and 0. If you don't like it, at least you can return it to a Target store. You have to order it online; not available in stores. If you order it now, check the website on Sunday to see if it's on sale for less. You can call their customer service for a price adjustment. But, it may be on sale now and the price could go up Sunday.

Katatonia
11-21-2009, 12:46 AM
It plays the UK Blu-ray of The Thing. It's the only PAL Blu I have for now.

That release is an All Region disc though, so it should play on any player. If it plays Blus that are locked to Region B, that would be sweet.

bigdaddyhorse
11-21-2009, 12:54 AM
That release is an All Region disc though, so it should play on any player. If it plays Blus that are locked to Region B, that would be sweet.

My next question and statment all in one, thanks Kat!
Although the features would be in PAL on that disc right? I don't think my current player can play them, it might even reject the disc because of them being there. Like I said a couple post back, it rejected region free PAL dvds and dubs with an "imcompatable" message. So far just PAL dubs rejected, many NTSC dubs have played fine and look great even with near 50% compression, upscaled on 67", which I didn't think possible.:glasses:

pwrslave
11-21-2009, 01:17 AM
I am debating about getting the Oppo. Anyone here have one? Seems like it is the best bet for playing everything and anything on a disc...

Shannafey
11-21-2009, 02:30 PM
I've been debating the Blu Ray upgrade for quite a while. I have an upconvertable DVD player and love the quality. I am a good judge of quality, as I am a video producer by trade and in all honesty, don't see enough of a difference to want to spend the money. I am considering it now because of features like web streaming, as it would be nice to be able to stream web movies on my TV and Blu Ray is definitely becoming the dominent format, although I believe DVD will be here for years to come. The Samsung looked like the dream player as it also did DIVX as well, but I've read horrible reviews on it, so I'll stick with the new Sony. I still am waiting to pay under $200 for it though. I am also putting off getting some recent movies until I upgrade, like Transformers 2 and Star Trek. I won't upgrade but a handful of my favorites and won't even buy all newer films on Blu, since a romantic comedy isn't worthy of the expense! I also find most DVDs for $3 and under nowadays, so it is hard to pay Blu prices. I will just buy the "wow factor" films like action, scifi and some horror.

shape22
11-21-2009, 06:03 PM
I am debating about getting the Oppo. Anyone here have one? Seems like it is the best bet for playing everything and anything on a disc...

Buy it without hesitation. It loads incredibly fast, plays EVERYTHING (including DIVX), and doesn't require an audio receiver with HDMI. I'm using the analog outputs and the uncompressed sound is tremendous. The Dylan remaster box is an absolute revelation. You can also get hacked firmware to enable region-free DVD play (unfortunately Blu-Ray play is region locked).

I've had my Oppo DVD player for several years and despite very heavy use it's still as good as new. Oppo makes high-quality products. Yeah, their Blu-Ray player is relatively expensive. But it's well worth the price. Buy it. You'll be thrilled.

pwrslave
11-23-2009, 05:48 AM
Buy it without hesitation. It loads incredibly fast, plays EVERYTHING (including DIVX), and doesn't require an audio receiver with HDMI. I'm using the analog outputs and the uncompressed sound is tremendous. The Dylan remaster box is an absolute revelation. You can also get hacked firmware to enable region-free DVD play (unfortunately Blu-Ray play is region locked).

I've had my Oppo DVD player for several years and despite very heavy use it's still as good as new. Oppo makes high-quality products. Yeah, their Blu-Ray player is relatively expensive. But it's well worth the price. Buy it. You'll be thrilled.

I read on the OPPO website that it will play both NTSC and PAL and automatically convert to the display you are using. Is this not true? If a Blu-Ray is in PAL format, wouldn't that disc automatically fall into a different region? I am seriously considering purchasing this system, but before I drop the $400, I want to make sure this will play pretty much anything from all over the world.

I have never owned a Blu-Ray player and only know that firmware updates are streamed or downloaded from the internet. The hacked firmware update is only for region free DVD play, not Blu-Ray?

If multi-region Blu-Ray capabilities aren't possible with the OPPO, can anyone recommend a Blu-Ray player that is high-quality and region free? Thanks!

Matt89
11-23-2009, 06:29 AM
Multi-region blu-ray capabilites are obviously possible with the OPPO blu-ray player. Why else do you think they'd be charging $499.99 for it when you can get a standard blu-ray player for like $149.99?

~Matt

pwrslave
11-23-2009, 07:12 AM
Good point, LOL! But can anyone confirm this before I dish out the $?

Katatonia
11-23-2009, 08:05 AM
Multi-region blu-ray capabilites are obviously possible with the OPPO blu-ray player. Why else do you think they'd be charging $499.99 for it when you can get a standard blu-ray player for like $149.99?

~Matt

From everywhere I've read online about the player, it isn't hackable beyond Region A discs. It can probably be hardware modified, but the stock player is multi-region with DVD's only. The $499.99 is for the quality of the player, which isn't that unusual considering some other high-end Blu-ray players.

f.ramses
11-23-2009, 12:52 PM
I think I posted about the Oppo BDP-83 a while ago saying it could be made region free for BD through third-party firmware but I was wrong, you need a hardware mod too. The kit goes for around 50GBP, this page (http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-ray-players/1045779-oppo-bdp-83-owners-thread-all-regions-part-2-a.html) has info, instructions, and a link to buy the kit. Looks pretty easy to do and if I didn't already have the Momistu I'd probably give this a try.

HellRazor
11-24-2009, 12:37 AM
There are hardware mods available on Ebay for around $80. They look pretty easy to install.

But what is the better purchase, $500 for an Oppo (plus $80 for a hardware mod) or the Momitsu BDP-799 which can be had for $250 and which has the NTSC/PAL conversion and can be region-freed using the remote for both Blu Rays and DVDs?

pwrslave
11-24-2009, 07:38 AM
Holy shitballs, thanks for throwing the wrench in my plans HellRazor, LOL! I am going to have to research the Momitsu now. Is the quality good on this player? I have heard nothing but GREAT things about the Oppo, but all-region capabilities on both DVD and Blu-Ray without any mods to the Momitsu is enticing...SHIT WHAT DO I DO?

The Chaostar
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
MOMITSU works fine and delivers a great picture. Don't think twice man.

HellRazor
11-25-2009, 03:39 AM
I'm thinking of getting the Momitsu and using the extra $250 to get a second Momitsu for the bedroom. :)

The only negative I've heard is that the tray mechanism is kind of cheap.

There is a Curtis Mathis model that was selling for $99 at Target that was basically just a rebranded Momitsu BDP-799 with all the same features right down to the remote control region free code. Unfortunately they are sold out everywhere and I can't find one in that price range now. Totally missed the boat on that and bet it had a better tray mechanism too!

HellRazor
11-25-2009, 03:42 AM
That Curtis Mathis model was CMMBX130.

In case anyone buys the Momitsu, here is how to region free it:

If you change the Blu-Ray region with the remote it will reset back to A whenever you turn it off but the DVD region stays until you change it with the remote.

Momitsu BDP-799 Region Changing Instructions

You can alter the player's region code at any time using the remote control.
*
1) Keep no disc loading , and press 8751+0+1 or 2,
0 stand for DVD free zone,
1 or 2 stand for BD A or BD B zone.
can not enter BD free mode or open mode. But it can be changed at anytime

You have 3 codes which you input and enter via the player's remote control:
875101 is Region A plus all 6 DVD regions.
875102 is Region B plus all 6 DVD regions.
875103 is Region C plus all 6 DVD regions
*
2) Please set the DVD region as "1"
Because some of DVD disc require player to be region 1 in order to play.
It is the disc set up so just match the player with disc region sould be fine.
*
875111 is Region A plus US DVD region1.
875112 is Region B plus US DVD region1.
875113 is Region C plus US DVD region1.
*
*
Thank you
Momitsu Support

pwrslave
11-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Thanks HellRazor. Going to save up some cash and then make my decision. Not having to mod anything on the Momitsu is a HUGE plus. I checked out the Mod kits on Ebay for the Oppo and it looks pretty darned easy to install. Decisions...decisions...

dave13
11-25-2009, 03:29 PM
i jumped on the blu ray wagon as soon as it was clear it had won the format war, although i guess i can't truly claim "early-adopter" status, since i waited the whole thing out. but i've never gone region free for dvd or blu, and haven't really thought about it till now. my questions for all those region free people out there are these:

1. At this point in time, are there really a significant number of discs (blu or dvd) that aren't available in region 1/A? what percentage would you say non-region 1/A discs make up in your collection? if you'd like to give some prime examples, id love to hear them.

2. How do non-region 1/A discs stand up to region 1/A in terms of a/v quality?

3. How do region free players compare to region 1/A players when it comes to playing region 1/A discs?

4. How easy is it to actually aquire these discs, and how do their prices compare to north america?

i know this is sort of going off topic, but since this thread has gone in the direction of region free players, i thought i'd just go ahead and pick peoples brains. any responses are really appreciated.

spawningblue
11-25-2009, 04:47 PM
i jumped on the blu ray wagon as soon as it was clear it had won the format war, although i guess i can't truly claim "early-adopter" status, since i waited the whole thing out. but i've never gone region free for dvd or blu, and haven't really thought about it till now. my questions for all those region free people out there are these:

1. At this point in time, are there really a significant number of discs (blu or dvd) that aren't available in region 1/A? what percentage would you say non-region 1/A discs make up in your collection? if you'd like to give some prime examples, id love to hear them.

2. How do non-region 1/A discs stand up to region 1/A in terms of a/v quality?

3. How do region free players compare to region 1/A players when it comes to playing region 1/A discs?

4. How easy is it to actually aquire these discs, and how do their prices compare to north america?

i know this is sort of going off topic, but since this thread has gone in the direction of region free players, i thought i'd just go ahead and pick peoples brains. any responses are really appreciated.

I'm curious as well as I have stayed away from Region Free as well.

dvdfan
11-25-2009, 04:52 PM
I'm thinking of getting the Momitsu and using the extra $250 to get a second Momitsu for the bedroom. :)

The only negative I've heard is that the tray mechanism is kind of cheap.

There is a Curtis Mathis model that was selling for $99 at Target that was basically just a rebranded Momitsu BDP-799 with all the same features right down to the remote control region free code. Unfortunately they are sold out everywhere and I can't find one in that price range now. Totally missed the boat on that and bet it had a better tray mechanism too!

Target.com lists a similar Curtis Mathis model it for $129 (http://www.target.com/Curtis-Mathes-Blu-ray-Disc-Player/dp/B001COGXMC) I'm not sure if the region hack works the same or not, but it might be worth it to check out. Odds are probably it's another rebranded Momitsu. I couldn't find it through their site, but when I googled the model number it came up with the link.

HellRazor
11-25-2009, 11:31 PM
I went ahead and ordered 2 of the Momitsus today, will let you know what I think about them when they arrive. :) It will be awesome to have an all-in-one solution, my current blu-ray is in the living room and doesn't do PAL/NTSC conversion, and my DVD player in the bedroom also doesn't do PAL/NTSC. It will be nice to have machines that do DVD, Blu-Ray, PAL/NTSC, and region free for all! I like options! Now if only they had a hard drive for recording shows! ;)

HellRazor
11-25-2009, 11:32 PM
Target.com lists a similar Curtis Mathis model it for $129 (http://www.target.com/Curtis-Mathes-Blu-ray-Disc-Player/dp/B001COGXMC) I'm not sure if the region hack works the same or not, but it might be worth it to check out. Odds are probably it's another rebranded Momitsu. I couldn't find it through their site, but when I googled the model number it came up with the link.

I turned that one up in my research and I don't think the region free hacks work. :( And I'm also not sure if it even does PAL/NTSC.

youthief
11-26-2009, 01:59 AM
Why do people post in a thread without reading it? :confused: dvdfan and HellRazor, go to the second page and read post number 23. Then order the Curtis Mathes from Target. If you don't like it, you have 90 days to return it.

HellRazor
11-26-2009, 02:18 AM
Don't take it personally dude, it's just a message board thread. I don't memorize every single post I read, sorry I couldn't recite post #23 on page 2 of thread #40031. :P

I don't think the Blu Ray on that model is all region as there is no way to change the region code. A BD checks the player to confirm it's set for one specific region, then checks that it's a region the disc allows, then plays if the player passed both checks. So in order to play different BD regions, the player has to be manually changed to a different region. This is the basis of all current multi-region "hacks" for BD players.

Is there a Blu Ray region hack for that model I'm not aware of? If so it would be a great deal and it still might meet most people's needs but I wanted something that was "all of the above" including playing any region Blu Ray Disc. Reviews I've read on the net indicate that this model isn't multi region for BD.

EDIT: And, also on page 2, someone tells you that your UK Blu Ray that you tested with was an all region release. I'll bet if you try a Blu Ray coded specifically for region B it won't play.

f.ramses
11-26-2009, 05:37 AM
1. At this point in time, are there really a significant number of discs (blu or dvd) that aren't available in region 1/A? what percentage would you say non-region 1/A discs make up in your collection? if you'd like to give some prime examples, id love to hear them.

It's hard to say but I'm going to go out on a limb and say the percentage of stuff available to other regions but not ours is probably pretty small. The reason it's hard to say is because I really don't pay much if any attention to the regional coding info except with BD because I have to manually change the region to play BD's from other regions but not DVD's. I own about 35 BD's and I think 6 of them are region locked imports (Salo, [Rec], Let The Right One In, Martyrs, Night of the Living Dead, and High Tension). I have other imports but I'm not 100% on whether they're locked or not. I think that these titles, although few, are pretty good cross section of the benefits of a region free player. I don't know if the Criterion Salo BD is out yet but when it does come out it's probably going to be missing the same 24 seconds their DVD of this movie is missing, my BFI disc has these 24 seconds. [Rec] was supposed to come out on BD here but then they canceled it and if that wasn't enough look how long it took just to get this on DVD... Let The Right One In is out on BD here but have you seen one that has the proper, theatrical subtitles? I haven't and I was really patient waiting to find one! Martyrs and High Tension? DVD but no BD! Finally, Night of the Living Dead, an American classic only available [so far] on a disc that won't play here... Basically it's not so much the number of titles unavailable in your region or even whether or not certain titles will ever be available in your region, it's more about having a choice and not having to settle for what they choose to sell in your region if it sucks. Not having to wait for new movies is also quite nice. :] (You do have to be careful though, maybe it's just the stuff I've wanted but it seems that if the movie is not in English a lot of the foreign releases are not English friendly, it seemed like a lot used to be.)

2. How do non-region 1/A discs stand up to region 1/A in terms of a/v quality?

It's really the same, I mean there are shitty looking DVD's in all regions and good looking DVD's in all regions. There could also be instances where the region 1 disc is not as good as the import or the import is not as good as the region 1 disc too so again it's the fact that you can choose what release you think is best that is the real benefit.

3. How do region free players compare to region 1/A players when it comes to playing region 1/A discs?

I really can't say I've ever noticed a difference but then again I haven't bought a region locked player since the 90's so any time I'd be watching something on a locked player I'd be watching it at someone else's house on their tv.

4. How easy is it to actually aquire these discs, and how do their prices compare to north america?

I'll say it varies by country of origin especially since there are practically no good places in the US to buy imports from anymore. This answer could definitely vary though, some people are more savy with this stuff (For me Asian releases may as well pretty much just exist in a black hole because I never hear about them before they come out and can seldom find them for sale.) and others will have an easier time if they're multi-lingual, unlike me. The price is generally higher, if you buy from someone who specializes in imports then you're probably paying a premium and if you buy from oversea's then the shipping is generally more but there are deals to be had on imports just like domestic releases. Amazon.co.uk is great, I got most of my import BD's from them and the shipping is cheap, the prices are cheap, and you generally get everything fast! I remember I wanted Ratman on DVD but the import shops were charging something like $25, I was able to get the same disc along with Salo on BD from Amazon.co.uk for about the same what Ratman alone was going for over here!

dave13
11-26-2009, 03:45 PM
thanks a lot ramses! thats exactly the kind of input i was looking for. if anybody else has an opinion, id love to hear it too.

HellRazor
11-26-2009, 05:23 PM
I agree with Ramses but I also think that as Blu Ray catches on there will start to be more and more product that is available in other regions that are not available here, or which have better features/different transfers, just like DVD is now. Especially in places like the UK, Japan, and Germany.

bigdaddyhorse
11-26-2009, 09:06 PM
So I've been looking at a few players, mostly running model numbers from black Friday ads through videohelp. It looks like more and more players are hackable, but none seem to do PAL/NTSC conversion, which kinda defeats the purpose for my region 1 self.
Guess I should check if I can set my tv to PAL, but I'm doubting it. I thought HD sets were a Universal signal or something like that, I guess that's just for the HD part while the standard def extras and dvds still need conversion as my US TV is NTSC when not HD...:confused::confused::confused: Anyone know anything more about this?

This player (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TK3D4A/ref=asc_df_B001TK3D4A972000?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001TK3D4A&tag=cnet-3826-20) is hackable it sounds like (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks?dvdplayer=BD-P1600&hits=50) (read whole thread to get to R1 players and solutions), and the normal Amazon price matches Best Buy's 3-day internet only sale. Tempting but for that PAL thing.

Matt89
11-26-2009, 10:43 PM
To be honest, I thought of getting a region-free blu-ray player, but I now fail to see the point. Sure the UK has some titles that we don't have, but they're either on their way to the North American market, or they're region-free already. For example, The Goonies was only released in the UK, but it's region-free and its special features are all NTSC (Warner doesn't region-code their blu-rays). Not only that, just like Gremlins was a UK-only blu-ray release, it eventually got a North American release. The same thing is going to eventually happen with The Goonies I'm sure. And if not, it's still region-free in the UK. Walk the Line was released in Europe as well, but it too was region-free and you know what? It was just announced a couple weeks ago that it's due for a Feb release in North America.

There were a couple titles that are region B-locked, such as Saturday Night and Sunday Morning and Antonioni's Red Desert from BFI. I desperately want these, but I know for a fact (I emailed them) that Criterion plans on releasing Red Desert on DVD and blu-ray in 2010. The Red Shoes also got a glorious restoration and that blu-ray is currently region B locked as well, but again, Criterion owns the North American rights so really it's only a matter of time.

I was also going to get the UK blu-rays of Contempt and Ran, since Criterion lost the rights and the films went back to Studio Canal. However, it was announced this week that Lionsgate now owns the rights to the Studio Canal titles and plans on releasing these films in a "Studio Canal" collection early next year. Again, even though these films were region-free anyway (with NTSC special features) they're eventually going to make their way to region A.

Godard's Une Femme Mariee was released on blu-ray through Eureka in the UK and it too is region-free, same with their release of Murnau's Sunrise. BFI also released a collection of Kenneth Anger's avant-garde films. The first disc is all HD (region-free) and the second disc's special features are all PAL, but the 2nd disc is a DVD, so if you have a region-free DVD player, you're fine. I just don't see the point in getting a region-free blu-ray player. I'm content with my region-free DVD player and I don't see the point in getting a region-free blu-ray player for just a few titles, and ones I believe will eventually (some definitely) make their way to the North American market.

~Matt

Matt89
11-26-2009, 10:45 PM
I'd maybe see more of a point in getting a region-free blu-ray player if you reside in areas that are region B or C. But this is mainly if you're a Criterion fan or something, since Criterion region locks every single one of their blu-rays.

~Matt

bigdaddyhorse
11-27-2009, 02:57 AM
I love my region free dvd player, but now only use it for other regions or PAL since the upconverted dvds look so much nicer than watching them normal. Would love to give my R2 discs some upconversion too.:)

HellRazor
11-27-2009, 04:04 AM
I'm just preparing for the future, Blu Ray is still a relatively new format. Eventually there are going to be some movies released overseas on Blu that we won't see over here, especially since with many of those movies already available on DVD they won't be lucrative. Besides, the way I see it, many of the region free ones are in the same price range as those that aren't. The Mimitsu I mentioned earlier is DVD region free, Blu Ray region free, (using the remote control hack codes) and does PAL/NTSC conversion, and costs $250.

NaturesMistake
12-19-2009, 05:06 AM
Well, I ended up getting a blu-ray player for my birthday (who would have guessed), so I have a list of about twenty blu rays I want and I already own seven of them. The quality IS extremely nice and I can't wait to watch my favorite films in blu, but I still feel that dvd and even my digital downloads are adequate for my film experience (especially up converted dvds). The high res and the new menus make it a fun format to play with though (just like I play with ld).

Films like Terminator, Ghostbusters, Night of the Creeps, Evil Dead 2, and My Bloody Valentine don't seem to warrant an upgrade.

Paff
12-27-2009, 04:45 AM
Yay! I'm feeling Blu now, but in a good way. Tonight is Inglorious Basterds. Only BD I have at the moment.

Still a little reluctant to re-buy all my movies, but I might change my mind after I see Basterds tonight...

Grim
12-27-2009, 05:56 AM
I'm watching the Man Who Fell to Earth right now and it looks fucking fantastic.

Slackjaw83
12-27-2009, 07:48 AM
Got my first blu ray for Christmas as a gift from the folks for my wife and I. It's a Magnavox, and, so far, has worked well. I watched Watchmen, Friday the 13th (2009) and X-Men Origins : Wolverine so far, and each has looked amazing.The only gripe I had was with the slower load time (Watchmen, in particular). It wasn't TERRIBLY slow or anything, just slow enough to be noticeable.

I wasn't about jumping to Blu at all. Honestly, if this gift wasn't given to us, chances are I'd still be considering the jump in 2011, lol.

Katatonia
12-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Got my first blu ray for Christmas as a gift from the folks for my wife and I. It's a Magnavox, and, so far, has worked well. I watched Watchmen, Friday the 13th (2009) and X-Men Origins : Wolverine so far, and each has looked amazing.The only gripe I had was with the slower load time (Watchmen, in particular). It wasn't TERRIBLY slow or anything, just slow enough to be noticeable.

I wasn't about jumping to Blu at all. Honestly, if this gift wasn't given to us, chances are I'd still be considering the jump in 2011, lol.

If it's the Magnavox Blu-ray player at Wal-Mart, they just lowered the price down to $78. They had perhaps a hundred out at this store on a display.

I probably wouldn't buy it myself, but that's a hell of a price if people are looking to go Blu, or give as a gift.

Shannafey
12-27-2009, 03:48 PM
If it's the Magnavox Blu-ray player at Wal-Mart, they just lowered the price down to $78. They had perhaps a hundred out at this store on a display.

I probably wouldn't buy it myself, but that's a hell of a price if people are looking to go Blu, or give as a gift.

I picked one up as my first Blu player and it is a good little no frills player. When I get a better one, I'm just going to use it as a DVD player in my bedroom, but for now, I'm very happy with it. I've got 8 Blu Rays so far.

Slackjaw83
12-27-2009, 04:05 PM
Chances are, that's the one. Like Shannafey said, it seems to be a good little simple blu ray player, no real gripes.

Tonight, I'll be checking out "Trick'r Treat" and "Friday the 13th" (2009). While I wasn't the biggest fan of the Friday remake, it was at least pretty fun and I've read that the blu transfer is really solid. Loved "Trick'r Treat", but i haven't heard anything about the quality of it's release on blu. Hopefully it's good.

bigdaddyhorse
12-27-2009, 04:30 PM
Chances are, that's the one. Like Shannafey said, it seems to be a good little simple blu ray player, no real gripes.

Tonight, I'll be checking out "Trick'r Treat" and "Friday the 13th" (2009). While I wasn't the biggest fan of the Friday remake, it was at least pretty fun and I've read that the blu transfer is really solid. Loved "Trick'r Treat", but i haven't heard anything about the quality of it's release on blu. Hopefully it's good.


Trick 'R Treat on Blu is nearly perfect, one of the best I've seen so far. Same with Friday the 13th reduex.
I have the same player and it's fine for what it is. The only thing I dont like is I paid double in August for it.:( Like most, it was a cheap starter player and now I'm hooked. I only wish it could handle any type of other region or PAL dvd. It failed on all, region free PAL won't play, and region 2 NTSC won't either. My R1 dvds look great upconverted and I think my Toshiba player is jeaulous, as it only gets PAL discs now.

Paff
12-27-2009, 06:16 PM
My R1 dvds look great upconverted and I think my Toshiba player is jeaulous, as it only gets PAL discs now.

Yeah, I was looking into all the Region Free players, and then just decided "fuck it", and bought a Sony at Best Buy's after X-mas sale. It was $129, and looks to be a solid unit. I'm keeping my Toshiba for non-Region 1s and PAL. They're so thin, they barely take up any space, and I had audio and video inputs open. Well, not completely open; I can't have DTS on my Toshiba, but that's it.

Inglorious Basterds really looked nice in HD, and I liked the sound performance a lot too. Gotta go get some more BDs now.

Shannafey
12-27-2009, 06:47 PM
Trick 'R Treat on Blu is nearly perfect, one of the best I've seen so far. Same with Friday the 13th reduex.
I have the same player and it's fine for what it is. The only thing I dont like is I paid double in August for it.:( Like most, it was a cheap starter player and now I'm hooked. I only wish it could handle any type of other region or PAL dvd. It failed on all, region free PAL won't play, and region 2 NTSC won't either. My R1 dvds look great upconverted and I think my Toshiba player is jeaulous, as it only gets PAL discs now.

Yeah, I'm a bummed that it doesn't play PAL discs. Most Philips/Magnavox products do, but now they are being made by Funai instead, so specs are different. I wanted to order a PAL region free Blu Ray from Amazon UK, but figured since it didn't play my region free PAL DVDs, I wouldn't have any luck playing it. I still have my little Philips hooked up for VCDs, PAL DVDs and DIVX files, all of which won't play in the Blu Ray. I figured that when I buy a better Blu Ray player, hopefully I can get one that is PAL compatible, plays DIVX files and does wireless streaming from the web. Hopefully there will be one cure all!