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Nailwraps
11-18-2009, 07:11 PM
For those Argento fan in the UK, Suspiria will come to Blu-Ray this January!:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=71831

"Nouveaux Pictures and Cine-Excess have announced the UK DVD and Blu-ray Disc release of Suspiria on 18th January 2010. Dario Argento’s horror classic arrives on DVD and for the first time in the UK on Blu-ray Disc with a brand new high definition transfer. Both formats also offer a host of newly commissioned extras including a brand new documentary featuring director Dario Argento and composer Claudio Simonetti and a feature length audio commentary by Argento experts Alan Jones and Kim Newman.

Features include:
-"Fear At 400 Degrees: The Cine-Excess Of Suspiria" documentary featuring director Dario Agento and composer Claudio Simonetti
-Audio commentary by leading Dario Argento experts Alan Jones and Kim Newman
-"Suspiria Perspectives" featuring Claudio Simonetti, Norman J. Warren and Patricia McCormack"

BlackAndBlu81
11-18-2009, 07:58 PM
The blu-ray will be day 1 buy for me. Just hopefully it actually has a good transfer and not the botched italian HD master.

Bradp56
11-20-2009, 02:03 AM
I really want this film I hope its Region Free.

springjack
01-13-2010, 09:09 PM
A review of the blu-ray...

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/72078/suspiria.html
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dave13
01-13-2010, 11:53 PM
not region free....damn.

othervoice1
01-14-2010, 12:13 AM
Man I hope this gets a good R1 release on Blu-Ray soon!

f.ramses
01-14-2010, 12:32 AM
Glad to see the review was favorable despite a few issues, I got this one pre-ordered. Never cared for this this movie much at all but seeing as how I'm trying to build up the Euro-horror BD collection and how sometimes watching a movie in HD can often make it much more enjoyable to me I figured I'd give it a shot.

Ash28M
01-14-2010, 02:19 AM
I love that cover art. I hope they use the same for the North American Blu-Ray

http://www.cine-excess.co.uk/Site/Home_files/shapeimage_3.jpg

Vlachio
01-14-2010, 10:19 AM
not region free....damn.

Sometimes you just can't win! Why did they have to region lock it? :mad:

The Chaostar
01-14-2010, 02:46 PM
Err, why not buy a region free player in the first place?

The Chaostar
01-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Wow, no original mix included. Guess I'll wait for the R1 release myself.

dave13
01-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Err, why not buy a region free player in the first place?

well double dumb-ass on you, Mr. I've-got-an-answer-for-everything! maybe if you'd like to front me the cash for a second blu ray player, i'd go off and do that. unfortunately a luxury like a region free player just isn't in the cards for me right now, financially speaking. :cry: i can afford to keep myself in viewing material, but thats about it. maybe later on down the line.

Ash28M
01-14-2010, 03:24 PM
Wow, no original mix included. Guess I'll wait for the R1 release myself.

Why would you want it in Italian when half the actors are speaking different languages? Might as well have it in English.

The Chaostar
01-14-2010, 03:43 PM
well double dumb-ass on you, Mr. I've-got-an-answer-for-everything! maybe if you'd like to front me the cash for a second blu ray player, i'd go off and do that. unfortunately a luxury like a region free player just isn't in the cards for me right now, financially speaking. :cry: i can afford to keep myself in viewing material, but thats about it. maybe later on down the line.

Down boy, down. Calm.
Alright, now tell me: WHO told you to buy TWO blu-ray players? Oh, and 161$ ain't much of a price for a region-free playes now, is it?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002AQ51VK/ref=nosim?tag=dvdbeaver-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=B002AQ51VK&creative=373489&camp=211189

I guess you couldn't wait a bit. Well, double dumb-ass on you then. :banana: See, I ain't an "I've-got-an-answer-for-everything!" guy. I'm really not that smart. But you don't have to be smart to answer some questions...

The Chaostar
01-14-2010, 03:45 PM
Why would you want it in Italian when half the actors are speaking different languages? Might as well have it in English.

I don't mean the language! I meant the ORIGINAL 4.0 mix. If it resembles the Anchor Bay 5.1 atrocity then it's not for me.

Ash28M
01-14-2010, 04:04 PM
I don't mean the language! I meant the ORIGINAL 4.0 mix. If it resembles the Anchor Bay 5.1 atrocity then it's not for me.

Oh right yes that should be included.

Shlockjock81
01-14-2010, 06:59 PM
I don't mean the language! I meant the ORIGINAL 4.0 mix. If it resembles the Anchor Bay 5.1 atrocity then it's not for me.

What exactly did you find so atrocious about the 5.1 mix? I assume you're referring to the Suspiria limited edition/single disc edition that was released a few years ago on DVD? I thought the sound mix was incredible! What exactly is it that you expect out of it?! It was crystal clear, excellent use of bass and directional audio, and the music did not drown out the dialogue like many have complained about... What exactly did you find so atrocious about it?

Ash28M
01-14-2010, 07:15 PM
What exactly did you find so atrocious about the 5.1 mix? I assume you're referring to the Suspiria limited edition/single disc edition that was released a few years ago on DVD? I thought the sound mix was incredible! What exactly is it that you expect out of it?! It was crystal clear, excellent use of bass and directional audio, and the music did not drown out the dialogue like many have complained about... What exactly did you find so atrocious about it?

I've heard complaints that the sounds was too low during the cab ride, which I have noticed. Other then that i'm not sure.

Shlockjock81
01-14-2010, 11:31 PM
Hmmm maybe I just didn't notice it as my introduction to the film was the Anchor Bay release in 2000-2001ish. All I remember is I just got my DTS capable system at the same time and Suspiria was basically my demo-disc for showing friends what my setup was capable of. I was completely blown away and so were they.

X-human
01-15-2010, 02:39 AM
I'd like to see someone who's more familiar with the previous edition issues to review it. Not only are there know issues with the 5.1 track floating around but the recent released video remastering on SD was shown to be overly bright with some funky colors. I know there's a new HD remastering that was in theaters, but we haven't gotten confirmation on where that's ended up.

I've heard complaints that the sounds was too low during the cab ride, which I have noticed. Other then that i'm not sure.

A lot of the music is too quiet. There's some sync issues too; one being Jessica Harper looking at the school bell before it rings. I think some of the lightening is messed up as well. It was redone from the ground up, so there are lots of little things out of place.

I'm trying to recall if the sound in the pool was all wrong, or if that was the new European video remastering which was messed up. With a release track record like Suspiria, it's hard to keep straight.

Unfortunately Lustig, in all his wisdom, decided to down mix the new one for the stereo track instead of using the original. I picked up the German Raptor edition, which has the original two-channel track.

BlackAndBlu81
01-15-2010, 04:33 AM
Heres the 1st review. Its not the new overly bright transfer.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/72078/suspiria.html

The Chaostar
01-15-2010, 07:37 AM
The music is not supposed to be SO FUCKING LOW in the mix.

springjack
01-15-2010, 08:10 AM
Heres the 1st review. Its not the new overly bright transfer.

Already posted
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sinister
01-19-2010, 01:40 AM
Got this Blu-ray today and have just finished watching it and comparing in places to the 3 disc limited edition Anchor Bay region 1 DVD. I can confirm the disc is definitely region coded for region B as it wouldn't start up when my player was set to region A. Also, the transfer has been made from a different print, the DVD has English credits whereas the Blu-ray has them in Italian.

Main plus point over the DVD is a substantial upgrade in detail, have really never seen it look so good in this respect. Colours also look significantly better.

However there are a couple of negatives, one minor, one not so minor. Firstly, the soundtrack sounds a bit "thin" compared to the DVD version, maybe this is more accurate to the original but I felt the extra bass on the DVD improved the music and effects.

The main issue I have with the Blu-ray transfer is that the contrast has been set too high, resulting in some very bright areas appearing as nothing more than a big blob of colour with zero detail. I noticed this at least 5 or 6 times, in highlighted areas of wallpaper, in lights, on Jessica Harper's face and a few times in the large areas of red or blue light projected onto walls.

I think this is what the DVD times reviewer is referring to when he says some sequences lack definition. It doesn't happen very often, but sometimes it's quite obvious and looks poor, particularly when compared against the great detail levels displayed for the rest of the movie. I don't think it's down to my display, as it's properly calibrated for brightness/contrast using a test disc and I can see exactly the same problem when playing the disc on my PC as well.

So overall it's an upgrade over the DVD, but if another version is released at some point without the contrast problem I'd definitely upgrade, again.

Would be interested to hear if anyone else has watched this disc and noticed the contrast issue, I can post exact times of a few of the more obvious bits if needed.

X-human
01-19-2010, 07:12 AM
Yet another person confirms it's the recent Italian transfers with some tweaks:I gave the Italian disc a 4/10 for video quality. On balance, I'm giving the UK version a 5/10 given that it corrects some of the more severe DVNR artefacts and also dials down the brightness, preventing the shadows from looking so washed out. However, it's important to stress that the blown out contrasts are WORSE now than ever, and I feel confident in stating that this is not how the film is supposed to look. The IB Technicolor print I saw last Summer looked nothing like this (the Anchor Bay DVD being the closest match to it that I've seen).

One final point in that regard: last year, an acquaintance who I know through the DVD work my brother does interviewed Luciano Tovoli about another film, and took the time to ask him about the SUSPIRIA controversy. I'm paraphrasing here, but essentially Tovoli said he had approved the new master, but that the home video versions looked "too hot" (or words to that effect). He added that, these days, he thinks that often the fans know the look of the films he shot better than he does, and ended by conceding that this is perhaps a title that he will need to "revisit".http://www.dark-dreams.co.uk/dd_forum/showthread.php?t=10701&page=20

So that's too bad. Although if one or two shots seem off with resolution, that may be the source material. Still it looks like the telecine itself was bungled. Here's hoping they'll got back and try again for a US release. Might not be so bad since the restoration of the film elements were good.

Dave
01-19-2010, 07:59 AM
Definitely one of my most wanted blus. I would love to see Blue Underground release it here in the States.

The Chaostar
01-19-2010, 11:24 AM
As with the first dvd release of SUSPIRIA in the UK (which was a Laserdisc port - BY THE SAME COMPANY ACTUALLY) so it seems the 1st BR release is not what it should be. We'll wait then. At some point, someone in the world will release the definitive edition. Geez, the british companies act SO stupid sometimes.

The Chaostar
01-19-2010, 11:46 AM
The worst part?
It seems the soundtrack is the right one, and not the fucked up AB shit.

http://www.horrorview.com/movie-reviews/suspiria-blu-ray

From DarkDreams forums

"The remastered soundtrack gives the film back its visceral punch and it becomes hypnotic"
"big plus is the sound absolutely wonderful ... it really shows up what was missing from the AB release."
"And just to emphasise this yet again, the audio is fucking incredible. The moment Suzy stepped out into the rain and Goblin and the thunderclaps kicked into full gear, I was in sonic heaven. Imagine the sound levels of the Image LaserDisc with the clarity of the Anchor Bay DVD, if not better."

Too bad they messed up the video so much....

Here's a screenshot that actually looks good though.

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/funbag/suspuknice7.jpg

Dave
01-19-2010, 05:54 PM
If the UK was lights out, I would actually look into getting a region free player just for this movie. It's not a flick I watch a lot but I'm dying to see it in HD.

chrismac87
01-19-2010, 08:58 PM
Does anyone have the high contrast shots? Maybe this is how the film was always supposed to look...and we're just jaded by the Anchor Bay DVD. Maybe?

sinister
01-20-2010, 04:10 PM
^^ I'm sure it's not meant to look like this. I don't have an easy way to grab screenshots from blu-ray but I should be able to take some pics of the monitor with my camera. Will give it a try and post a few later if they look reasonable.

The Chaostar
01-20-2010, 04:38 PM
Sorry, I "met" Suspiria in cinema, then on VHS, then on DVD... The high-contrast look is so digitaly manifactured I don't know how could anyone have the idea that it was MEANT to look this way... Let's be reasonable guys...

X-human
01-20-2010, 05:16 PM
Does anyone have the high contrast shots? Maybe this is how the film was always supposed to look...and we're just jaded by the Anchor Bay DVD. Maybe?

Dark Dreams link I posted has some screenshots with comparisons: http://www.dark-dreams.co.uk/dd_forum/showthread.php?t=10701&page=20

chrismac87
01-20-2010, 07:15 PM
Sorry, I "met" Suspiria in cinema, then on VHS, then on DVD... The high-contrast look is so digitaly manifactured I don't know how could anyone have the idea that it was MEANT to look this way... Let's be reasonable guys...

I actually think that is being reasonable.

Being unreasonable would be jumping the gun and assuming the companies did these transfers like this just because they felt it necessary. Maybe this was a technology Dario didn't have when the film first came out so all the prints couldn't be treated to his liking.

Did he work on the AB DVD?

Seriously, let's try and figure this out because to me this doesn't make sense.

Why make new HD transfers of a film that look nearly identical to one another, but not use the old AB transfer as a guideline? That would make sense wouldn't it? I mean the first disc being from Italy where the film originated by every meaning should have been the definitive transfer because whomever worked on it would have been given the best print coming from the Italian rights holder.

That's obviously where most Italian prints come from is overseas, and with them doing the transfer right there you'd figure it'd be easier to get a better transfer. The DNR might have just been a choice made by the company, not creatively speaking.

But the high contrasts and color boost may have been added to add to that dream like quality the film has. Making every color that much more vibrant and eye catching.

Let's look into this before we jump the gun here - I could be wrong, but maybe, just maybe this is how the film was intended to look. Unless someone can prove otherwise. Which I'm all ears to find out!

dickieduvet
01-20-2010, 07:38 PM
Mine arrive today, Will watch it later to see how noticable these problems are.

sinister
01-20-2010, 10:22 PM
A few examples of this high contrast issue, first the Blu-ray transfer, followed by the AB DVD.

No detail on the lamp or nearby wall:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus1a.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus1b.jpg

Lack of detail on the wall and on the door:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus2a.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus2b.jpg

General lack of detail:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus3a.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus3b.jpg

And another:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus4a.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/sus4b.jpg

chrismac87
01-21-2010, 12:15 AM
Well again, can we find out if this is how the film was always supposed to look and just never did? Did Dario have anything to do with the AB disc? Maybe those high contrasts were on the print and they toned them down.

Again it's pure speculation but the film was released in two different countries, both having the same issues of high contrast. And one release being from the country it was made where the director could potentially participate makes me wonder if this was his intention not theirs.

Unless the print that's over there is just high in contrast.

rhett
01-21-2010, 03:55 AM
sinister's pictures don't really demonstrate high contrast (with a higher contrast you'd have less detail in darker areas or solid colors, but higher color saturation), but here the shots with higher saturation also have greater detail. The difference there is in the exposure or the levels. It's as if the one on the top did not adjust the colors properly for the limited latitude of NTSC (compared to computers or HD).

X-human
01-21-2010, 03:58 AM
Well again, can we find out if this is how the film was always supposed to look and just never did? Did Dario have anything to do with the AB disc? Maybe those high contrasts were on the print and they toned them down.

If the contrast was that high on the original elements, it wouldn't matter how much tinkering they'd do the detail would be flat out gone. If they intended it to look that way then they didn't shoot it that way.

On the Dark Dreams site the reviewer talked with the DP. He comments that the theatrical print the reviewer recently saw is the true representation. The DP then goes on to say that he hears the DVD contrast is too high and says that the reviewer's opinion is correct in calling it that.

This was stated in my post above which I quoted and linked.

chrismac87
01-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Thank you sir for clearing that up.

So now bears the question; where's the definitive Blu Ray release!?

dvdfan
01-21-2010, 10:29 PM
Check out the screenshots in this article:

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/archives/2010/01/suspiria-the-good-the-bad-and-the-downright-ugly/

dickieduvet
01-21-2010, 11:23 PM
Scanned through it last night, It's very pink indeed, Hardly any red to be found anywhere. The soundtrack is friggin' amazing though.

SaxCatz
01-22-2010, 05:10 AM
I was VERY excited for a moment... until I read what came after the "..."
:-( Why are Britain and Canada getting so many great horror titles on Blu that aren't coming, or are significantly delayed, here in the States?

Katatonia
01-22-2010, 08:39 AM
My dog, the colors look like shit on this release!

RidgeShark
01-23-2010, 12:31 AM
DVDBeaver Comparison http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews19/suspira_dvd_review.htm

sinister
01-27-2010, 05:53 PM
Just to follow up my 1st post in this thread, regarding the sound being "a bit thin" on the Blu-ray release... turns out I had the main left/right channels mixed way too low in the Blu-ray player audio settings (I'm using the on board hi-def audio decoder in the Blu-ray player 'cause my amp doesn't support hdmi).

With the levels set correctly it sounds great, so I withdraw any negative comments on the soundtrack. The high contrast problem is still there of course.

Grim
01-27-2010, 06:00 PM
I'm really pissed the Weinsteins somehow have the rights to this. Blue Underground would have totally released this stateside by now.

fceurich39
01-27-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm really pissed the Weinsteins somehow have the rights to this. Blue Underground would have totally released this stateside by now.

not sure how the heck the weinsteins got this from blue-underground but i suspect they paid alot of money and now they have no money
this movie along with night of the living dead 40th anniversary blu-rays i think was in the works to be released here in the states but got cancelled

Grim
01-27-2010, 06:21 PM
not sure how the heck the weinsteins got this from blue-underground but i suspect they paid alot of money and now they have no money
this movie along with night of the living dead 40th anniversary blu-rays i think was in the works to be released here in the states but got cancelled

Hopefully they either go under or sell the rights to a more deserving company to save themselves.

As for Night of the Living Dead, anyone can release that so I don't see why one of the many niche companies haven't jumped on that yet.

Stige
01-27-2010, 06:37 PM
seems like a blu ray looks different depending on what set up you have etc. saw it with stendhl syndrome and others so I am going to make up my mind when i see this on my own set up:)

Grim
01-27-2010, 06:39 PM
seems like a blu ray looks different depending on what set up you have etc. saw it with stendhl syndrome and others so I am going to make up my mind when i see this on my own set up:)

The Stendhal blu-ray is one of the rare cases where I soften up the picture. All of that digital noise is just too much.

Stige
01-27-2010, 06:59 PM
it was a light filter of grain on my sony 350 but on my region free cheap player it looked like dancing spots. also cheched it on my computer and the image was even better ( Stendhal)

Grim
01-27-2010, 07:03 PM
Yeah, I currently use my PS3, but I might invest in another blu-ray player both to lighten the load on my PS3 and also for better playback.

Ash28M
01-27-2010, 07:15 PM
seems like a blu ray looks different depending on what set up you have etc. saw it with stendhl syndrome and others so I am going to make up my mind when i see this on my own set up:)

Did it look different on Two Blu-Ray players on the same TV with identical video settings??

Stige
01-27-2010, 07:38 PM
yepp
World of difference , the more expensive player was a marked improvement in evry way on that title. so i am going to form my own opinion when I get suspiria in the mail . Also have a reciever with all the hd decoders built in , used on both viewings of stendhal

Stige
02-05-2010, 10:31 PM
well my take

the soundtrack rocked my living room , I have a 42 inch full HD philips Tv and a yamaha reciever with HD sound decoding all hooked together played on a sony 350 model

the beginning I heard IRIS and Blue no problem , also had no trouble hearing what was said on the cabride , the main difference is the goblin score is way loud and my floor was shaking .

The Picture , ok the contrast was slightly higher and some detail might have been lost but with the excepion f Olga Painting her nails 10 sec. and one scene in the bedroom with the doctor 2 seconds on bed the image was stunning if you just changed the settings on the TV ever so slightly . The ending was blindingly glaring during some lightning shots but it seemed to be meant to be that way , I could be wrong but didn't argento use disneys snow white as inspiration for the coloring? My way of thinking was the ending was supposed to be nightmarish and out of contrast with normality ....

The lack of red? Well there was lots and lots of red from dark to light to pinksh, many times in the same image , so I am not sure if this is a problem from the process of making the blu or if Argento planned to have many different nuances of red , making the image awash with all these bright colors og differing degree .

My opinion is if you have a reciever with dts-hd decoding and can play region B and PAL signals this shouldn't even be a question as to buy or not

Dobby
02-09-2010, 07:44 AM
So I guess there is a good chance as far as Suspiria. Probably will not see they day of light in the USA on blu ray any time soon?