PDA

View Full Version : Halloween 6: Which Cut?


rhett
11-11-2011, 05:45 PM
Over this year's October Madness I was able to stomach watching HALLOWEEN 6 again after a decade-long hiatus. It had me wondering what all you folks thought about the two different cuts of the film floating around: the released cut or the "producer's" cut, which focuses a lot more on the Thorne cult. Both have their pluses and minuses in my book, so it would be interesting to see what the majority thought was best. So tell me, which film has the sharpest blade!?

maybrick
11-11-2011, 06:16 PM
I accidentally answered "Haven't seen the Producer's Cut" when I actually meant "Producer's Cut". It's far and away the better of the two.

fattyjoe37
11-11-2011, 06:22 PM
I saw the Producer's Cut for the first time last month and hated it just as much as the theatrical. So I voted "They are both too terrible to rank"

shape22
11-11-2011, 06:36 PM
I voted for the producer's cut. But I think both cuts have distinct advantages and disadvantages.

The producer's cut has a far superior (and more traditional) score, less outrageous murders, more scenes with Pleasence, and significantly more character development and build-up. I particularly like the scenes where Michael follows Kara outside. They echo the original nicely. And the more measured pace of the first half seems like an improvement to me. On the other hand, it also goes all the way with the Thorn storyline--which I'm not crazy about. And the final shot of Michael is utterly ridiculous. But at least the third act makes more sense in the producer's cut.

I like certain aspects of the theatrical cut too. The scene where Kara witnesses a murder in the window across the street is much more dramatic in the released cut. And the strobe light massacre scene at Smith's Grove is pretty damn cool. But you also have to suffer through some moments that Paul Rudd would undoubtedly like to forget. And a murder that's fairly low-key in the producer's cut turns into head-exploding silliness. The guitar-driven Halloween isn't entirely successful. But it's an interesting variation that gives this cut of the film a unique tone.

Although I slightly prefer the producer's cut overall, I don't think either version is vastly superior. No release will be definitive release unless it includes both cuts.

killit
11-11-2011, 07:01 PM
sorry I meant to vote theatrical, accidentally hit producers, which I do like but I like the tc better

Katatonia
11-11-2011, 07:27 PM
I actually prefer the Theatrical cut. The changes in the Producer's cut just don't work as well at all IMO.

fceurich39
11-11-2011, 07:52 PM
i like producer's cut better plus the late great Donald Pleasence was in more scenes and the music score was alot better too

crikan
11-11-2011, 08:02 PM
The Producer's Cut is superior but both are a disservice to the franchise. They should have never explained why Michael is what he is. Even worse that he's some cult's lapdog. The PC has its moments but I don't understand how Jaime survived the attack in the barn. I find the Theatrical Cut to be a complete waste. I'm almost offended that they accepted people's money to see it. They had to know it was utter garbage.

MisterTwister
11-11-2011, 08:16 PM
I prefer the theatrical cut. The finale in the producer's cut is retarded.

crikan
11-11-2011, 08:36 PM
I prefer the theatrical cut. The finale in the producer's cut is retarded.

A 120lbs comedian (Paul Rudd) easily beats Michael Myers to death with a pipe. That's not retarded? I found that so incomprehensible that it bordered on offensive.

Shlockjock81
11-11-2011, 08:50 PM
Both cuts are worthless pieces of SHIT.

Zillamon51
11-11-2011, 09:05 PM
I haven't seen the Producer's Cut, and have no plans to unless it is officially released someday. I doubt it would matter, as this installment of the franchise is shit, and you can't polish a turd.

MisterTwister
11-11-2011, 09:05 PM
A 120lbs comedian (Paul Rudd) easily beats Michael Myers to death with a pipe. That's not retarded? I found that so incomprehensible that it bordered on offensive.

It's better than Michael being stopped by magic stones.

Mutilated Prey
11-11-2011, 10:37 PM
I like the Producer's Cut slightly better.

crikan
11-11-2011, 10:48 PM
It's better than Michael being stopped by magic stones.

Better? Both are horrendous but at least the magic stones is something that's completely fantasy based. Paul Rudd f@#king up Michael Myers is just stupid.

MisterTwister
11-11-2011, 10:49 PM
Ok enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

MacReady
11-11-2011, 10:56 PM
I must be one of the only persons on earth who actually really likes both Halloween 3 and 6?

I own three parts of the Halloween series. Halloween, Halloween 3 and Halloween 6.

I guess I am in the vast minority of people, who dig the whole "Evil Druid" storyline.

:confused:

crikan
11-11-2011, 11:13 PM
Ok enough.

God forbid someone reference your statement and give a different opinion on a "discussion" forum. We should all just agree on everything. Its not a competition to see who's opinion loses. I was waiting to see if you had a reason that you liked the TC ending. You only explained why you disliked the PC.

startide
11-11-2011, 11:14 PM
Reading through this thread I don't feel so bad that I answered I haven't seen either now!

4 and 5 were OK, I love the original and H20 (which I saw at the cinema on Halloween - twice - when it was released and I've pretty much watched it every Halloween since), hated the one after H20, 2 was positively pornographic and a real turn off when I watched it 10 years ago and I liked 3, but it's the bad seed of the franchise, so that doesn't really count.

Mutilated Prey
11-12-2011, 01:00 AM
A 120lbs comedian (Paul Rudd) easily beats Michael Myers to death with a pipe. That's not retarded? I found that so incomprehensible that it bordered on offensive.

Let's not forget the greenish yellow blood whatever that was too coming out of his head.

It's like Jason in Part VIII when he pukes water before toxic waste hits him and he turns into a little kid again - that may be the worst ending of all time. Where's the alternate for that? You mean to tell me no one had a better ending than that!!! :lol:

dave13
11-12-2011, 01:05 AM
watched the PC for the first time this year. it was an interesting curiosity. but its honestly been a decade since i saw the TC, so it's very hard for me to compare the two. i can't vote, at this point. i remember being unimpressed by the TC when i first saw it as a teenager, and i wasn't impressed by the PC as far as its quality as a film goes, when i saw it recently. so who knows...

MisterTwister
11-12-2011, 01:41 AM
God forbid someone reference your statement and give a different opinion on a "discussion" forum. We should all just agree on everything. Its not a competition to see who's opinion loses. I was waiting to see if you had a reason that you liked the TC ending. You only explained why you disliked the PC.

I'm guessing you didn't see the "agree to disagree" comment I made.

But since you NEED a reason.

I was entertained far more with the TC finale. The finale for the PC was not only stupid IMO but was far less satisfying. I exclaimed "That's it!?" when the PC ended.

There you go.

crikan
11-12-2011, 02:25 AM
I exclaimed "That's it!?" when the PC ended.


That was my initial reaction as well. Then I was saddened once I realized that's Dr. Loomis' exit from the franchise. And to think a "super-fan" wrote this. What a turd.

MisterTwister
11-12-2011, 02:37 AM
That was my initial reaction as well. Then I was saddened once I realized that's Dr. Loomis' exit from the franchise. And to think a "super-fan" wrote this. What a turd.

Supposedly Dimension and the director really fucked around with his original screenplay.

Even though the writer has said he prefers the PC he's not really satisfied with either cut and what Dimension did to the film.

bigwes15
11-12-2011, 03:09 AM
I voted for the Theatrical cut, and I actually do really like this movie. It definitely has its share of problems, including the ending and the baffling "we were drugged" scene. However, I think it has one of the most menacing Myers performances, some great atmosphere at times, and a couple of my favorite series kills with the fake Jamie in the barn and that ridiculous but wonderful exploding head! To be fair though, it's been years since I saw the Producer's cut and when I did it was poor quality. I would gladly buy it if they released it officially!

MarkWarner
11-12-2011, 07:15 AM
The Producer's Cut is a bit more atmospheric and sticks to its story all the way to the end, but in the end both cuts are fairly shitty. I used to think the Producer's Cut was so much better, but I think that had more to do with the "forbidden fruit" aura it had way back in the day than the actual film.

bigdaddyhorse
11-12-2011, 04:00 PM
I also haven't seen the theater cut in at least 10 years, but like Rhett sat through the PC last week. Liked the first half hour or so, but it got really bad really quick.
I'm gonna just go ahead and say both are shit, as I recall hating the theater version with a passion.

It's me, Billy
11-12-2011, 04:52 PM
The thing I hated about the producer's cut is that it's revealed that Michael is the father of Jamie's baby. Totally out of character for Michael. Totally.

Korngold
11-13-2011, 08:25 AM
My cut where Danielle Harris is in the movie and not killed. :P


But I actually prefer producer's cut slightly.

shockwave
11-14-2011, 06:03 PM
I chose producers cut. At least the plot and ending in that seemed a bit more cohesive instead of uh what do we do, oh I know, we'll have Paul Rudd beat up MM. Neither one is great but that one is slightly better IMO. And Loomis's lack of scars are explained in that one too which was one thing that bothered me when I watched the original the first few times.

delicreep
11-14-2011, 07:49 PM
Supposedly Dimension and the director really fucked around with his original screenplay.

Chances are good the script was a steaming pile in its original form.

rxfiend
11-16-2011, 07:22 PM
Only the PC and TC versions are listed? There are at least two more versions out there! I shit you not. There is an "extended" theatrical cut that supposedly has more gore during some of the death scenes. I haven't seen that, but I do have the other cut which is the TV edit. This version ran on AMC a few years ago, it's a hybrid of the producers and theatrical cut. It's quite interesting. I'd rank it above the theatrical cut, but lower than the producer's cut.

BBQ
11-18-2011, 06:59 PM
I'm of two minds with this movie. I saw the Producer's Cut first, and hated it, because I could not accept the idea that Michael was and always had been the tool of a cult. I liked the Theatrical cut better because it didn't screw with his character(much) but it also seemed muddled and pointless.

But over the years I came to respect the Producer's Cut more, because it is far more complete and cohesive. Also I think the ending was quite ballsy in that it takes the story somewhere that feels new and different and creepy, AND comes up with a backstory to explain all the loose ends from Halloween 5 and the other sequels, AND ties it all in with the Druids and the origins of the holiday. It didn't quite work, but considering the starting point they were given I think it turned out well.

But in the end, I can't accept this as the version of Halloween 6 that "really happened." I consider it an interesting what-if scenario, because making the cult the real enemy and Michael's boss flat-out ruins the earlier movies. So basically, my opinion is that the Producer's Cut is the better movie when viewed on its own, but the Theatrical Cut works better as a part of the series. Thanks for listening to me ramble.

shape22
11-18-2011, 07:08 PM
You sum up the feelings of many diehard fans of this series very well BBQ.

DVD-fanatic-9
11-21-2011, 01:06 PM
Neither. The story wasn't even that big a problem since the death scenes (let's face it- this is 90% the reason people showed up) and the sound design were almost fun.

The producer's cut just fucks with the story. What they should have been worried about was casting. I have total faith that a better cast could have made the shitty dialogue tolerable.

crikan
11-21-2011, 03:35 PM
I have total faith that a better cast could have made the shitty dialogue tolerable.

You know what they say about polishing a turd.

Gizmo
11-24-2011, 06:28 AM
Some of you and your descriptions make me laugh hard! But I am not any kind of judge of opinions by any means, just sayin' ya know! I thoroughly enjoy the banter produced here about movies. I am more of a real monster person, not a human monster person. people in general can just be way too gruesome for me.