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DVD Connoisseur
03-21-2012, 06:22 PM
Thought I'd share some pics of my collection. All items were purchased new in the mid-90s.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/e03d7934.jpg

T2 with signed letter from James Cameron:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/2a1121cd.jpg

Double disc Criterion Blade Runner

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/9e610320.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/2081e8e6.jpg

Star Wars

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/e1a188c7.jpg

Various horror

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/a694f402.jpg

Phantasm Signature Edition

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/3e1dc1ac.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/48f470e8.jpg

Alien and Aliens box sets

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/317e3bfa.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/f841767f.jpg

Hellraiser signed edition

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/8dc495f2.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/4f44928d.jpg

killit
03-21-2012, 07:25 PM
Some GREAT oldies! That T2 box you start out with was my first laser experience as a child and that Hellraiser box you end with was my FIRST LD purchase as a 15 year old! Had suspiria and that excellent nightmare double disc too! Man LD's are MEMORIES, I have no experiences like that with DVD or blu-ray sadly, except maybe buying the blade runner 5 disker before I even had a bluray player. Awesome that you kept your collection! Sold mine off :cry:

dave13
03-21-2012, 07:47 PM
wow, those are amazing. i've never owned (or known someone who owned) a laserdisc player, so these are all new to me.

crikan
03-21-2012, 08:29 PM
Wow! Those are amazing.

must fight the urge to collect laserdiscs

russweiss
03-21-2012, 10:43 PM
Nice collection. I was heavy into laserdisc prior to DVD's arrival. I sold nearly all of my lasers (over 700) but I do still have the same T2 box that you have.

jscott
03-21-2012, 11:49 PM
Not to hijack your thread again, but here's a pic of my Romero LD collection, I have another 75+ LD's, but none photo'd as of yet.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6912553097_7bd47b8602_z.jpg

Regurgitate
03-22-2012, 01:38 AM
I have a few of those boxed sets. I don't display them and I can't watch them because they just don't stand up to their DVD/Blu Ray counterparts. Back in the day though LD lust had me in its clutches, thankfully things are much cheaper now days.

Dave
03-22-2012, 02:08 AM
It's true....as pretty as the outsides look, they just don't hold up on modern TVs. Still love the format but I haven't spun a disc in a good year or so.

SaxCatz
03-22-2012, 04:37 AM
LD can look nearly as good as a very good DVD on an HD display but it takes a video processor that is very good with analogue video... and those have never been available in inexpensive equipment and are only becoming more and more rare. Its just not worth the trouble or expense for most.

DVD Connoisseur
03-22-2012, 05:09 AM
Thanks for all the comments and cheers for sharing your Romero LDs, jscott. I see you have the Republic LD for Dawn (this is the only Romero I have in this format).

Haven't spun a LD for a good few years as my Sony LD just didn't deliver the goods on a large screen and it had started to play up, too. My last tv was a 56" rear projection and this was replaced with the first of the Panasonic 65" 3D plasmas that hit the UK shores. I was inspired to share by a thread elsewhere on the www and I've been busy logging all my discs onto a database so I can keep track of things.

Going off topic (but I'm sure a small detour won't matter), here are a few quick pics of my current set up (they may be of interest as there's a large horror element to my man cave!):

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Home%20Cinema%20Room/c48578eb.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Home%20Cinema%20Room/121272ae.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Home%20Cinema%20Room/015f81ab.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Home%20Cinema%20Room/278fd9a4.jpg

What frustrated me when I was collating details of my discs was the number of titles I have in different formats. T2 I own on LD twice and on DVD, Hellraiser I own on VHS, twice on LD and once on DVD, Alien and Aliens...VHS, LD box sets, then DVD, now blu...it never stops!

Couple more pics for now:

The Exorcist was banned in the UK when I picked up the US release on LD. Ah, how times have changed (well, a little) since then. Can't describe the excitement I felt when I bought this!

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/0c2b66cc.jpg

Here's another film that wasn't available uncut in the UK for quite a while:

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa22/DVDConnoisseur/Laser%20discs/5e71e93e.jpg

I think I've only played this once - great film but it doesn't have the feel good factor and I'd seen it a few times before on third generation VHS copies and once at the cinema (in its cut form).

jscott
03-22-2012, 02:42 PM
My LD's are now just pretty covers to look at/collector's items. 99% of them I own on DVD or Blu Ray, and the ones I don't I've made DVD-R recordings of. However I will play a disc at least once a month to keep my machine from getting dry rot. Too bad the HD age has rendered them borderline unwatchable/obsolete, as I love Laserdisc.

ekent
03-23-2012, 12:03 AM
My LDs look the best they ever have on my 46". They are comparable to standard definition cable television.

Paff
03-23-2012, 02:37 AM
My LDs look the best they ever have on my 46". They are comparable to standard definition cable television.

A few questions:
1. What model LD player are you using?
2. Are you using any kind of processing between the LD Player and the HDTV?
3. Are you using the "zoom" function on the TV?

I have a Pioneer CLD-D704, considered by many to be the best non-Elite player out there (and not as good as those high-end Japanese models), with a composite to HDMI scaler. Anything that's 4x3 actually doesn't look too bad. But when I throw in a widescreen LD and hit the Zoom to fill the screen, it really goes to hell. Anything in the 2.35:1 ratio is borderline unwatchable.

jscott
03-23-2012, 02:47 AM
My LDs look the best they ever have on my 46". They are comparable to standard definition cable television.

Finally going 1080P shortly, and am very curious how LD's will look. It's only gonna be a 32", so I imagine any nasties won't be as bad as on a larger screen. My Toshiba 30" CRT HDTV was very nice for LD's, especially the later releases with good transfers.

Paff,

How large is your TV, and what resolution? How far do you sit from the screen? Does the analog>HDMI scaler make a significant difference in LD/SD TV pic quality?

ekent
03-23-2012, 07:23 PM
1. What model LD player are you using? CLD-D406

2. Are you using any kind of processing between the LD Player and the HDTV? No. I'm using the RCA video output directly to the television. My receiver upscales SD to 1080 but I don't have the LD video running through it. I've yet to try it.

3. Are you using the "zoom" function on the TV? Yes, on anything non-4:3. I agree with you that 4:3 material is much more forgiving. I've found that if the transfer was nice to begin with, it looks good. I did have an issue with my Dawn of the Dead Extended box set. It had a funky aspect that didn't fit anything very well, and it wasn't treating the edge of the image very nicely. Goldeneye looked fantastic!

Paff
03-23-2012, 08:50 PM
Wow. You're getting performance that acceptable from a 406? I used to have that model, and it's a damn solid player, but when I got the 704 there was a marked improvement in quality (back when I had a 4x3 TV and LD was my primary source of viewing)

I have a 42" 720p plasma (my next TV will obviously be larger, and 1080p, so I imagine the LD performance will only get worse) that I sit about 12' away from. My plasma does accept the composite input, but I thought an external scaler would help the performance. After all, I do film festival work, and when we have to get a 4x3SD image onto the big screen, we use a Gefen scaler and it does pretty well.

But I'm still on the fence with the scaler I'm using. When I run the "bouncing ball" pattern from Video Essentials, the scaler does a better job with the fine black-and-white grid patterns. Going straight into the TV with composite, those patterns will create that rainbow-like moire effect. I don't get the effect with the scaler.

But when I compare an actual picture, I don't see much of an improvement. It's possible the scaler is doing TOO good of a job, and emphasizing the low resolution of laserdisc. The straight composite input kind of softens and blurs everything, so it looks less "blocky"

I got some time this weekend, I'll try some more adjustments.

jscott
03-23-2012, 11:37 PM
Would anyone know if running the composite LD output into a standalone DVD Recorder would improve the image? Once I get my new TV next week, I'll be running my recorder using component video out. Seems like a remember something being said about if a TV or other device had a 3D comb filter, it would improve LD image. Ringing any bells? Bueller?

sinister
03-24-2012, 12:42 AM
Oh, those pics are bringing back some great memories of horror on LD. :)

I had a big LD collection but sold nearly all of it a few years after going to DVD. I still have a few of the rarer horror LD's like the Jap Dawn of the Dead "Perfect Collection" in the silver box and some other Jap single discs, I'll post some pics when I get a chance over the weekend.

Also had "the best LD player ever made", the Jap only model Pioneer HLD-X9, now that really did make LD's look as good as (non-anamorphic) DVD. I paid about 1500 for the player and they were so rare in Europe that I actually got more or less what I paid for it back when I sold it years later.

Mitbox
03-24-2012, 01:12 AM
Holy cow, the art of those LDs look awesome, I love the Hellraiser one. I went from VHS to DVD so never even knew much about Laser Discs except that they were very expensive. Just for the art alone they seem worthy of keeping on display forever.

Paff
03-24-2012, 01:15 AM
Would anyone know if running the composite LD output into a standalone DVD Recorder would improve the image? Once I get my new TV next week, I'll be running my recorder using component video out. Seems like a remember something being said about if a TV or other device had a 3D comb filter, it would improve LD image. Ringing any bells? Bueller?

Hard to say what it would do, but give it a try anyway.

A comb filter takes a native composite signal (LD, VHS), and breaks it down into two components, Y and C (chroma and luma). "Component" connection is the same thing, broken down further. I think it's the chroma component that gets futher divided.

The school of thought USED to be to run the composite output of the laserdisc player into the TV, not the S-Video (which has been comb filtered into Y/C), because it was likely your newer TV had a better comb filter than your laserdisc player. However, that's out the window now that HDTVs are expecting a higher level input than composite. So why waste technology on good comb filtering anymore, since Blu-Ray, SD DVD, Gaming, and Satellite input don't need it?

Your theory of plugging into the DVD recorder means you'll be using a comb filter in the recorder. Hard to tell if it's any good. If the recorder is designed and intended to accept older analog inputs (like it's designed for preserving your old VHS tapes), it might have a good filter in it.

I would try every possible combination you can come up with, but I still haven't found a really acceptable solution to getting decent LD performance on an HDTV. It might just be the proverbial square peg into a round hole.

While I kind of regret still holding on to and continuing to buy LDs well after the death of the format, the good part is that most of the Blu-Rays I'm buying are upgrades from LD, not DVD. In other words, I'm double dipping LD to Blu Ray, not triple dipping LD to DVD to Blu Ray.

And hey, as crappy as they look, I can still see the theatrical versions of the original Star Wars trilogy...

Dobby
03-24-2012, 02:53 AM
I pretty much threw the towel in when it comes to LD's. They all pretty much look like crap and strain my eyes. I have a few I hold onto for nostalgia reasons only. Beyond that I just don't bother with this format. Interesting reading the comments on here and seeing I am not alone.

startide
03-24-2012, 04:33 AM
:D How many units do you guys have set up exactly? Given my Sony VCR needs a service I've got two units I haven't even hooked up to my new TV, and if that one were in play I'd have three. My current set up looks chunky enough (Blu, VCR/DVDR, MR DVD, PVR/STB) without the thought of adding laserdisc to it! FWIW though, laser never did take off here in Australia. Everything was imported and the prices were outrageous, no wonder!

I remember researching TVs when my mum hooked up with another deadbeat (mid 90s) and widescreen TVs being available at the time. They were not compatible with widescreen tapes - Star Wars looked horrendous! For the life of me, I cannot even fathom why they were available in the first place. HDTV didn't even exist, DVD wasn't even around yet and like I said, the take up of laserdisc was virtually zero. Curious.

Ah the memories.

ekent
03-24-2012, 03:02 PM
school of thought USED to be to run the composite output of the laserdisc player into the TV, not the S-Video (which has been comb filtered into Y/C), because it was likely your newer TV had a better comb filter than your laserdisc player. However, that's out the window now that HDTVs are expecting a higher level input than composite. So why waste technology on good comb filtering anymore, since Blu-Ray, SD DVD, Gaming, and Satellite input don't need it?

Your theory of plugging into the DVD recorder means you'll be using a comb filter in the recorder. Hard to tell if it's any good. If the recorder is designed and intended to accept older analog inputs (like it's designed for preserving your old VHS tapes), it might have a good filter in it.

Interesting. I was still operating under that school of thought. With this in mind I will try running the video through my receiver. The DVD recorder method seems like a decent option as well, at minimum for comparison.

sinister
04-04-2012, 02:11 PM
A few pics of some of the horror LD's I kept when I got rid of the player and most of the collection.

Cannibal Holocaust with poster :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1573.JPG

Stage Fright :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1575.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1576.JPG

The Church :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1581.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1582.JPG

Deep Red (Jap version was called "Suspiria 2" for some reason!) :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1585.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1586.JPG

Evil Dead (This was my 2nd copy, the 1st one having been seized and destroyed by UK customs!) :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1587.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1588.JPG

Dawn of the Dead Perfect Collection :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1590.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1592.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1593.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1594.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1595.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1596.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1597.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1598.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1599.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1600.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1601.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1602.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1603.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1604.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1605.JPG

Last House on the Left :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1606.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1607.JPG

Dario Argento's World of horror :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1608.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/LDs/DSCF1609.JPG

Paff
04-04-2012, 07:43 PM
A few pics of some of the horror LD's I kept when I got rid of the player and most of the collection.

Cannibal Holocaust with poster :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/DSCF1573.JPG

Evil Dead (This was my 2nd copy, the 1st one having been seized and destroyed by UK customs!) :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/DSCF1587.JPG
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/DSCF1588.JPG

Dario Argento's World of horror :

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/DSCF1608.JPG

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sinister/DSCF1609.JPG

I have that disc of Cannibal Holocaust, but I don't recall there being a poster inside. I will have to re-check. I do have the Cat in the Brain disc with the poster, and the Cannibal Ferox with the barf-bag though. Those are nice LD bonuses.

I also have the Japanese Evil Dead shown above. I will have to pop it in the player and see how it looks on the plasma. I remember it looking gorgeous on my old 4x3 analog TV

My copy of World of Horror is the Synapse release. Gold disc, maybe? I also have the Japanese doc, Dario Argento: Master of Horror. I think that was ported as an extra on some DVD by now though, right?

DVD Connoisseur
04-04-2012, 08:16 PM
I have the Argento: Master of Horror DVD from Synapse (can't remember what set it's with now, wasn't Eye For Horror added to a recent release?).

Beautiful collection, sinister! This is the first time I've seen the majority of these releases!

Sam
04-04-2012, 09:17 PM
Nice collection, DVDC. I still have several hundred LDs myself and really used to go all-out buying them from around 1996 to 2004 or so. I pretty much stopped buying them when blu ray came out and haven't picked up any since around '07. Like a few others mentioned, they really take some work to look decent on modern 1080p displays. They actually don't look too bad on my 480p Infocus projector w/ faroudja scaler from about eight years ago, but they aren't looking so hot on my 2011 Panasonic Viera plasma. Blu Rays are almost certainly more enjoyable to watch and the LDs are more fun to stare at on the shelf. The 16-bit PCM audio on laserdisc does, however, occasionally give the blus a good run for their money. It goes without saying that LD was way ahead its time and paved the way for things we take for granted today (widescreen, lossless audio, commentary tracks, etc).

DVD Connoisseur
04-04-2012, 10:22 PM
Absolutely, Sam! We were the pioneers...the early adaptors! :) It's funny but I never think a format will become extinct. When I was taping programmes and films on VHS, I thought I'd be using them forever!:eek1:

Must admit, I think my last LD was Tomorrow Never Dies. After that, I'd purchased a DVD player and when the PS3 was around a year old, I started on blu.

Funnily enough, the vast majority of my purchases are still on DVD as many titles still haven't emerged on the blu-ray format. I just love my independent movies!:D

startide
04-05-2012, 04:34 AM
A few pics of some of the horror LD's I kept when I got rid of the player and most of the collection.

Last House on the Left

Nice pics. DVD special editions aren't nearly as pretty!

BTW, what is the quality like on that Last House LD? I have that very edition on VHS (was one of my first ebay purchases back in the day when it was still banned) and the movie starts sometime after the opening credits!!! Um yeah, thanks. That's something you might have mentioned in the ebay description! I've got bootlegs that are better quality than that!!

FWIW, I found some nice DVD SE porn here:
http://nighthecamehome.blogspot.com

Paff
04-08-2012, 10:52 AM
They actually don't look too bad on my 480p Infocus projector w/ faroudja scaler from about eight years ago,

What Faroudja scaler are you using?

Paff
04-18-2012, 07:44 AM
LASERDISC HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE......at CinemaPaff

I just took possession of a Faroudja NRS Digital Video Processor and have been playing with it all evening. Laserdisc looks remarkably better with it, and I will defnitely be watching a lot more discs in the coming weeks. Now, I'm no fool, and they sure as hell don't hold a candle to my Blu-Rays. But I have over 500 of these things, and it's cost prohibitive to replace them all at once. We're talking about the Indiana Jones movies, Star Wars, Terminator, Alien, Hammer horror, Kurosawa Criterions, Roan's Spaghetti Nightmare collection (Demons 1 and 2, Phenomena, Tenebrae), the list goes on and on. $150 to improve the look of my sizeable collection is not a bad option at all.

Unfortunately, the end cost was double what I intended (and could go to triple), as the first unit I purchased off of E-bay was DOA. It also has the wrong preset output resoluton, which is NOT user-changeable. You must get a factory repair, which is about the cost of the unit itself (at current E-bay price). Instead of getting the factory repair, I just chose to get another one with the correct preset output. I'm hoping to get a refund from the E-bay seller, although that's a longshot. If not, I'll get it upgraded from the factory, and then I'll have one available for sale here.

If anyone is serious about keeping LD alive in their systems, this is an excellent way of making the picture somewhat palatable on today's HD screens.

SaxCatz
04-19-2012, 03:33 PM
LASERDISC HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE......at CinemaPaff

I just took possession of a Faroudja NRS Digital Video Processor and have been playing with it all evening. Laserdisc looks remarkably better with it...

If anyone is serious about keeping LD alive in their systems, this is an excellent way of making the picture somewhat palatable on today's HD screens.

I told you! :D
Similar results can be obtained with an upper-mid-range or better AVR equipped with a sophisticated video processor such as the Silicon Optix HQV Reon or Vida or the Marvell qDeo. There are some mid-range AVRs available with these chips but I specify "upper-mid-range" as that is when AVRs start to pack in better analog sections for better analog to digital conversion, which is the most important part of the process.

Paff
04-19-2012, 07:36 PM
I will admit, it was this thread that revived my interest in the format. I saw those photos of all those discs, some of which I already own, some I've wanted to own. And how it was a shame that I never actually watched those discs anymore, they just sat in my racks collecting dust.

Did some further testing last night. For one thing, I retract my original statement that the Altona scaler I was using eliminated the chroma noise on the Snell & Wilcox pattern. No option I've used has eliminated that yet. Secondly, that Altona scaler was absolute shit, and far worse than simply plugging my LD player directly into my plasma. Why I was even using it is beyond me, and I probably would have watched more LDs in the last few years just using the composite in.

Has anyone ever gotten rid of that rainbow effect on the Snell & Wilcox pattern? Is it even possible with LD, short of getting one of those $1500 Japanese players?

DVD Connoisseur
04-19-2012, 08:21 PM
Really pleased to read that this thread has brought new life to your collection, Paff! I think it's a shame that mine will probably never be played again (and I have some titles that I won't upgrade).

Love the link, too, startide!

SaxCatz
04-19-2012, 08:54 PM
I will admit, it was this thread that revived my interest in the format. I saw those photos of all those discs, some of which I already own, some I've wanted to own. And how it was a shame that I never actually watched those discs anymore, they just sat in my racks collecting dust.

Did some further testing last night. For one thing, I retract my original statement that the Altona scaler I was using eliminated the chroma noise on the Snell & Wilcox pattern. No option I've used has eliminated that yet. Secondly, that Altona scaler was absolute shit, and far worse than simply plugging my LD player directly into my plasma. Why I was even using it is beyond me, and I probably would have watched more LDs in the last few years just using the composite in.

Has anyone ever gotten rid of that rainbow effect on the Snell & Wilcox pattern? Is it even possible with LD, short of getting one of those $1500 Japanese players?

Unfortunately I don't have the Snell and Wilcox test disc so I can't say. But I do know that I definitely still have some chroma noise/bleed on my setup but I've always attributed that to my player which is just a CLD-D701.

Paff
04-19-2012, 10:52 PM
The Snell & Wilcox pattern is on the Video Essentials LD, which is (if you'll pardon the pun) essential to own if you are a laserdisc viewer. Poor video calibration becomes far more noticeable on LD than Blu or DVD.

But yeah, I'm thinking I won't get much more chroma noise reduction than what I have, without upgrading the player. And since it's a CLD-D704, there's not much more room to improve (Elite CLD-99 or one of the super-expensive Japanese players).

I still think I'll throw in a few old favorites over the weekend and see how they stack up with the new scaler. Definitely one of the Roan Argento discs (either Phenomena or Tenebrae), maybe something like Jurassic Park, Mimic, The River Wild, or In the Mouth of Madness on DTS. And one of my Hong Kong discs with the dual subtitles.

jscott
05-14-2012, 04:28 PM
Checked out some LD's this weekend on my new 32" Sony LCD, and the image looked surprisingly good (I'm not talking HD quality, but for SD it's very solid. Even with older titles like Phantasm II, and newer ones like Kids In The Hall's Brain Candy, looked nice on the LCD. Not quite as sharp as my 30" Toshiba CRT "HDTV" (it only produced a 540P/1080I image), but still, really decent, especially considering Phantasm II is an old, VHS quality release. Also I'm still using my 504 (the only player I have that still works, my 701 conked out a couple years ago).

Tried running the LD through my Panasonic stand alone recorder (which only puts out a 480P signal), then to the old Toshiba tube and my new Sony LCD, and the image wasn't as good as going straight to the TV. Next I'm gonna try the S-Video connection instead of the composite, see what difference it makes.

Paff
05-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Next I'm gonna try the S-Video connection instead of the composite, see what difference it makes.

I wouldn't expect a big improvement, if any here. The 504 wasn't a top-line player to begin with, and even though today's HDTVs don't require a top-notch comb filter anymore, it's gotta be better than the one in the 504.

You'll probably notice the same thing I have; that full frame and 1.85:1 movies will do the best on LD-to-HDTV. The scope films will suffer. I did try watching In The Mouth of Madness a few weeks ago and it wasn't too good. Still watchable, of course, but noticeably lesser in quality. Phenomena looked outstanding though, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre wasn't too bad either.

sinister
05-14-2012, 10:52 PM
BTW, what is the quality like on that Last House LD?

IIRC it was quite soft and grainy. Better than any VHS release at the time but not really comparable to the DVD versions that came later.

BTW sorry about the broken links to the pics, my webspace seems to be having problems lately but I'll fix them when I can access it again.

sinister
08-20-2012, 09:46 PM
Finally fixed the picture links on page 2. My webspace has been timing out for months and still isn't fixed, but it lasted long enough to get the links updated at least.

Oh and I'll post a link to much better pic's of the DOTD booklet over on the other thread here:

http://www.horrordvds.com/vb3forum/showthread.php?t=43765

Sam
08-29-2012, 11:32 PM
I've been getting a little nostalgic for LDs lately and have watched a few under the radar types such as Martial Law 1 & 2, Bikini Carwash Company II, Girlfriend from Hell, and Slumber Party Massacre 2. While the pic quality was glorified VHS at best, it actually kind of works for some of these lower brow flicks. But the real reason I love spinning the old LDs is the PCM audio. I've often wondered how difficult and time consuming it'd be to make custom dvds and transfer the PCM track from the LD and synch it up with the anamorphic video from the dvd release for a homebrew' DVD5/DVD9. That'd pretty much be the ultimate compromise for me on movies that I don't expect a blu ray release for quite some time.

Paff
08-30-2012, 01:16 AM
I've often wondered how difficult and time consuming it'd be to make custom dvds and transfer the PCM track from the LD and synch it up with the anamorphic video from the dvd release for a homebrew' DVD5/DVD9. That'd pretty much be the ultimate compromise for me on movies that I don't expect a blu ray release for quite some time.

It would be worth it for Suspiria. The LD used the original audio track (which did make active use of the surrounds), but the Anchor Bay DVD did too much "cleaning up" of the sound. As in, sometimes Argento WANTED the music to overpower other sounds. AB tried to make the soundtrack more conventional, a word which makes no sense when talking about Suspiria.

SaxCatz
08-30-2012, 06:42 AM
I've been getting a little nostalgic for LDs lately and have watched a few under the radar types such as Martial Law 1 & 2, Bikini Carwash Company II, Girlfriend from Hell, and Slumber Party Massacre 2. While the pic quality was glorified VHS at best, it actually kind of works for some of these lower brow flicks.

That's because films of this nature never received anything better than quick and dirty (and cheap) video masters meant for the VHS market. A laserdisc minted from a high quality master will look MUCH closer to a good DVD than any VHS. However, as the old Mill Creek box sets are abundant evidence of, no matter the potential of the format, the product will look like crap if you just don't give a sh*t and throw whatever on a disc and call it a day. Garbage in, garbage out.

Dobby
08-30-2012, 11:08 PM
That's because films of this nature never received anything better than quick and dirty (and cheap) video masters meant for the VHS market. A laserdisc minted from a high quality master will look MUCH closer to a good DVD than any VHS. However, as the old Mill Creek box sets are abundant evidence of, no matter the potential of the format, the product will look like crap if you just don't give a sh*t and throw whatever on a disc and call it a day. Garbage in, garbage out.

Some of my LD/VHS look better if not superior to their DVD counterpart. Plus allot of movies on VHS have yet to see a DVD release. So why some people trash or disregard older media I just can't understand. Especially when the VHS or LD looks superior to the DVD.

wago70
08-30-2012, 11:20 PM
I miss Laserdisc. Ever since I sold off my collection in 2008, gone are the days of NEVER having to turn the sound up and down to hear dialogue in between bombastic music and sound effects (hello DVD and Blu Ray).

Paff
08-31-2012, 04:46 AM
Some of my LD/VHS look better if not superior to their DVD counterpart.

I have a handful of movies (mostly HK flicks) that I have on both LD and DVD, and the DVD is non-anamorphic. I prefer the LD on those by a long way.

Of course, an anamorphic DVD or Blu-Ray.....well, anyone wanna buy a used LD?

Dave
08-31-2012, 11:17 AM
I still love the format but have to admit it's been a while since I have spun a disc. I moved recently and did not enjoy carrying my few remaining laserdisc boxes. Damn those things are heavy. I still consider a high end player on occasion but always talk myself out of it. Maybe someday, though, but it's unlikely. I almost bought Mission Impossible 2 on a Japanese site for an unheard of $200 or so. I decided against it. I likely would have just sold it for some profit but it still wasn't worth all the effort. It is amazing some of those last lasers command such high prices.

Dave
08-31-2012, 11:17 AM
I still love the format but have to admit it's been a while since I have spun a disc. I moved recently and did not enjoy carrying my few remaining laserdisc boxes. Damn those things are heavy. I still consider a high end player on occasion but always talk myself out of it. Maybe someday, though, but it's unlikely. I almost bought Mission Impossible 2 on a Japanese site for an unheard of $200 or so. I decided against it. I likely would have just sold it for some profit but it still wasn't worth all the effort. It is amazing some of those last lasers command such high prices.

Sam
08-31-2012, 04:47 PM
CDJapan was practically giving those 'last releases' away about 10 years ago, IIRC. I picked up 6th Day, The Sixth Sense, MI:2, The Beach and several others for like $10 each plus shipping from Japan. And then, of course, a few years later they became hot property to collectors and I sold every single one of them. Owning some of those was cool, but I've kind of gotten over the novelty of having movies I don't care for just because they were released around the time of the format's funeral. That said, I do cherish several LDs that I'll likely never watch again on LD, such as the "blood red" Evil Dead II disc.

polyex
01-11-2013, 05:56 PM
I can not put anything on my speakers, they just roll off from the vibration.