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Lawrence
01-19-2001, 11:11 AM
As some of you may be aware now, I hate censorship and the BBFC. Also I hate when horror movies and violence are blamed for peoples crimes. Childs Play 3 and the James Bulger case spring to mind. There was a media frenzy and a huge backlash against horror movies much like the Video Recordings Act in the early 80s which banned some of the classics of the genre (eg TCM)

Well anyway i watched a show last night on Channel 5 about killer/necrophilliac Dennis Neilsen. For those who dont know he would pick up men and male prostitutes in London and strangle them, have sex with them then chop them up. Bit like one or your Mansons or Bundys. Any way the point which i would like to make (its a big one which i think should go the front page of every newspaper after the next film blamed for a murder)In the opening few minutes it said NEILSEN WASNT ALLOWED TO WATCH TELEVISION OR FILMS AS A CHILD WHILE HE WAS GROWING UP AT HOME

Hmmmmn....

fishhead
01-19-2001, 12:41 PM
That will never get reported in any meaningful way, Lawrence. On this side of the pond there have recently been renewed headlines how violence on TV equals violence in real life. Personally, I believe this is true only for very fragile personalities already on the edge, but try telling the mainsteam folks that yoy enjoy splatter flicks when this is in the headlines... http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/frown.gif

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mutleyhyde
01-19-2001, 04:04 PM
Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence... tch tch, you mention Chuck Manson in the same context as boy-hounds Bundy and Neilson? Please, Manson's all about the clam! Now, that Jeff Dahmer sure liked the boys, but he certainly had a style that was reminiscent of my man Eddy Gein. And they were both from Wisconsin! Those cheese-heads sure do lose it up there!!

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May the Hammer eternally bleed!
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Lawrence
01-19-2001, 04:36 PM
Ooops, sorry MHyde. Must brush up on my serial killer knowledge!

But i think we might be onto something here! Its not horror movies that make you nuts but, like my Real Estate agent says, its all about location location location...

Mind you, is Wisconsin a cold place? Maybe its a weather thing.

Argento Fan 2003
01-19-2001, 08:09 PM
Some guy here in Savannah decapitated his wife after he found out she was cheating on him. The subtitle under his picture said that he liked to collect horror memorabilia. Like that has a lot to do with it... I like horror films and I collect memorabilia from certain movies but I don't have the urge to kill anyone. Action films just as much death in them than horror films yet horror films are always blamed for making people crazy.

Mark Relford
01-19-2001, 09:25 PM
Good topic, Lawrence! http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif
Yeah, horror movies are the blame for society's ills. http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/rolleyes.gif They always pin that shit on our beloved genre. The people that commit crimes and use horror movies, video games, and music as a scape goat were fucked up in the first place. End of story.



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napalm68
01-19-2001, 09:35 PM
Yeah, the other one they blame is porn. I recall reading some sociologists comments on that theory, that finding porn in 95% of rapists and murderers posession and calling it causitive is like finding shaving equipment in 95% of them...

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AceRimRat
01-19-2001, 10:35 PM
Anyone know what's in O.J.'s DVD collection? Besides "Naked Gun," I mean. http://www.horrordvds.com/forum/smile.gif

Well, wait a second. Leslie Nielsen was in "Naked Gun." And he was in "Prom Night." Oh boy, we're doomed.

But slightly more seriously, I agree with those who are saying horror movies don't create killers. Maybe they push vulnerable people over the edge, or maybe they lend a certain style to those who would kill anyway (such as making black trenchcoats cool). But I think part of the paranoia/backlash against horror movies stems from general society's inability to grasp what makes someone carve up a neighbor or shoot up an office. It's easy to say, ah, they were nuts... but no so easy to say why. So people blame what they may not understand or be knowledgable about - porn for sex crimes, horror for violence, etc. Like when Dungeons & Dragons got blamed for stuff in the '80s, when I was growing up (and playing).

Assuming all of us on this forum are stable enough, that's a whole lot of hard-core horror fans who aren't out there "with an axe to grind... a big axe." Regrettably, the media (yeah, I know, I'm a member of the media...) and public often focus on the lone wingnut who likes to play Jason. It's too bad.

Se7en
01-19-2001, 10:56 PM
You know reading the title of the topic at hand reminded me of this quote from Scream - "Horror Movies don't create psycho's, Horror Movies make psycho's more creative." I tend to agree lol. But really nothing in life is worth killing another person over. Whether it would be adultery, stolen goods, WHATEVER! Nothing is worth it in the long run, people should just think things thru and sort everything out.

DeepDownTraumaHound
01-20-2001, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by mutleyhyde:
Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence... tch tch, you mention Chuck Manson in the same context as boy-hounds Bundy and Neilson?

Bundy was not a "boy hound" actually.



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mutleyhyde
01-20-2001, 01:26 AM
Oops - my bad. I was thinking of John Wayne Gacy. Ted was actually quite the ladies man.

Read more about these colorful personalities and others at http://www.crimelibrary.com/
It's a great site for those who're interested.
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May the Hammer eternally bleed!
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John E. Smoke
01-20-2001, 01:36 AM
Lawrence, I've heard a little about the recent relaxation in censorship in the U.K. (e.g., Salo being screened uncut, hardcore pornographic (!) videos are apparently now available, etc.) with fascination; please pardon my ignorance, but what's the cause of the sudden reversal of direction? Just curious...

fishhead
01-20-2001, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by AceRimRat:
But I think part of the paranoia/backlash against horror movies stems from general society's inability to grasp what makes someone carve up a neighbor or shoot up an office. It's easy to say, ah, they were nuts... but no so easy to say why.

I think it may not be so much as saying "why" but instead trying to fool themselves into thinking they can stop people from carving up their neighbors or doing other unpleasant things. They think "We'll ban horror films and no one will ever do anything bad again!"

Of course, that would never solve the problem. The problem lies within the human psyche and is not solveable by such easy solutions. Psychotic individuals will, unfortunately, always be a part of society as long as we are human. I think a great many simply cannot cope with that and are too afraid to confront it. So instead they turn to easy (and non-causative) targets.




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"Oh, I get it, just in case we kill lots of innocent people."
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AceRimRat
01-20-2001, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by fishhead:
I think it may not be so much as saying "why" but instead trying to fool themselves into thinking they can stop people from carving up their neighbors or doing other unpleasant things. They think "We'll ban horror films and no one will ever do anything bad again!"

Of course, that would never solve the problem. The problem lies within the human psyche and is not solveable by such easy solutions.



Right, that's sort of what I meant - by not really knowing why people do this (bad wiring?) society at large tries to solve the problem by banning perceived bad influences, because they don't know/can't accept that certain people may be faulty by nature.

"My child can't possibly be evil. Must be that damn John Russo Hackmaster 2000 NOTLD film!"

hojimoji
01-20-2001, 04:18 AM
I hate to bring this up but am I the only one who thinks this sounds like a gun control arguement? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Horror movies don't make killers, people make killers.

And I think both topics can be linked to a dislike by the general populus of things which aren't mainstream. This same climate produced Prohibition, and we know how well that worked.


G.

mutleyhyde
01-20-2001, 05:04 AM
Nah, it's just that they're Packer fans (that's American football, for any uninitiated Brits).

But seriously, yes, there are all the clinical/psychological studies that go to show that dreery weather conditions have a negative affect on the psyche, and yes, Wisconsin is a VERY cold place indeed, with terrible snowstorms as an annual norm. Well, I don't know what it says about me, but I sure as hell like the rain and snow. But that's coming from a Texan, and we just don't get the stuff here. I visited the isle in '91, and the weather was awful... I loved it! Nottingham, Derby, London (I don't remember all the names, I was drinking some damned good ale, and lots of it!), they were all under a cover of rain and mist for most the time I was there. The mornings were the best with all the fog. But one thing I don't get; with all that "bad" weather and good ale, how come the Brits haven't caught on to the idea of free coffee refills (or even good coffee at that)? All I could ever get was instant, and had to pay for each cup. Not the best situation for rainy days and hangovers! I know England's all about the tea, but come on already! Hopefully, things have changed in the past nine years. Please say it's so, and I'll be back for another visit in a heartbeat!

Jeez! Did I get off the subject or what?

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"When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!"

May the Hammer eternally bleed!
M. Hyde

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mutleyhyde
01-20-2001, 05:48 AM
I'll drink to that!!

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"When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!"

May the Hammer eternally bleed!
M. Hyde

Lawrence
01-23-2001, 11:03 AM
John E smoke, i think the slight change to the BBFC is because it has a new head. James Ferman hs now gone. Hurrah. He was the one who wouldnt let us see The Exorcist and Chainsaw Massacre. Bastard!