So, is the new Halloween any good?

[jeffschmidt]

I was thinking of going tonight, but wanted to hear some credible opinions first.

So, for those who've gone already: Is it worth seeing?

[Dave]

Two words: Pure shit! Really, I just had to force myself to sit through what is easily the worse Halloween sequel ever.

Hey, I liked H20. Even Part 6 wasn't all that bad. This was just horrid. The movie actually started off somewhat decent, but even the opening scene quickly fizzled. There was no tension whatsoever.

Also, never has a movie so intentionally dated itself by doing the whole 'live web cast' angle. It even felt dated watching it now.

I'll discuss it more later (probably in a spoiler marked thread). Right now I'm going to wash the filfth that is Halloween: Resurrection off my body.

[mcchrist]

Figured, spending my money elsewhere.

[Wez4555]

thanks dave. i figured it was a turd. i think the last half way dencent one was return of michael myers. i didnt like H20 but i kinda gald i watched it cause it was my first halloween ive seen in theaters. jason x was my first jason movie and ive never seen a nightmare on elm street there. im kinda old (almost 20) but my parents where kinda strict about R rated movies. so i couldnt see like new nightmare at the movies. oh well (back to new halloween) i figured it was a gay sellout movie. yeah cast busta rhymes and tara banks...they fit great with horror movies. good thing jamie lee curtis is in it but from the sounds of daves comments..she doesnt save it. stupid sellouts..made it so it would apeal to a black crowd...theres nothin wrong with that but dont just pump out shit just to get a few blacks to watch. tales from the hood was pretty good to me and it went to the black crowd. im starting the think america cant do horror anymore...which is sad. yeah jason x was good but thats the best its gotten in years.....freakin sad..

Figured, spending my money elsewhere. yeah good idea..it cost almost $20 to watch a movie with popcorn and something to drink these days....shit i can get return of the living dead and last house on the left on dvd for the same prices...i think that would be wise for me to do.

[jeffschmidt]

Originally posted by Dave
I'll discuss it more later (probably in a spoiler marked thread).

Yeah, that'd be great for those of us who don't care to see it, but would like to know specifically what happens.

Sorry it sucked, but thanks for savin' me a trip & some $.

[Dave]

My spoiler filled thread has been posted in the slashers forum.

[WesReviews]

Guys, I thought this was a very solid entry in the series. The best sequel since 2. I'll post my review over in the Slashers forum, but just so you know, I really REALLY dug this one. I was expecting to hate it, fully, but ended up loving it. I urge the rest of you to at least give it a chance.

[Cujo108]

Well, I just returned from seeing it earlier tonight, and I surprisingly really enjoyed it! Its not a classic movie, but it is great fun (at least in my opinion), and its thankfully light years better than H20, and part 5.

The Myers house was a wonderful setpiece. Really neat looking, and creepy too. Also, the death scenes were pretty groovy, especially the head crushing , and the mirror scene really caught me off gaurd and was one of the best parts in the film.

Katee Sackhoff (Jenn) is really hot, and she was easily my favorite character in the film.

The web cams added quite a lot to the film if you ask me, and I had a feeling they probably would. I don't think they are dated at all, and I was glad they were a part of this film.

Bash me if you want, but I don't give a shit. I enjoyed this film quite a bit, and I'm not afraid to admit it. It definitely isn't as good as the original or part 3 though, but it is better than ALL of the other sequels, with part 4 coming in really close behind it. I will be getting the DVD, because this film was extremely enjoyable for me, and is the third best film in the series.

[Paff]

My only question...can the guys who made Hell Asylum sue for plagiarism?

[KillerCannabis]

Horseshit. Honestly. The only reason Rick Rosenthal even did a decent job on part 2 was because Carpenter produced the movie. The whole plot of this movie was lame, the characters SEVERELY underdeveloped and the ending? Horrid. I really have to go with Dave in saying that I felt I had to literally force myself to sit through this the whole way. I mean, c'mon, Busta Rhymes? Tyra Banks? Please......

[ReNeGaDe]

This movie fucking blowed... it sucks.. we got a jason and a michael this year.. and both of them completly sucked horribly.

The begining was tight.. the credits went to its original roots although it looked like a tv series.. jamie lee curtis did her thiing definetly but what hapened totally was not cool. Then the movie becomes pop, and busta rhymes should not be in this shit, like he made it seem like this was a parody im serious, this movie blow.. Part 6 and part 3 were better for gods sake

[bnoir]

I haven't seen it...and probably will wait for the DVD...Bust Ryhmes? I think not.. heard very bad things about this flick, so four bucks at BlockBuster won't be too steep of a price to pay...!

[betterdan]

eeewwww you said blockbuster...

[Jamm]

I may still go to the theater to see this. My partner got some free Hoyts passes for his birthday, and I got my travel expense check from work, so we can kinda afford a night at the movies. Still want to see Eight Legged Freaks this week too though. But, back to Halloween...

...I kinda like that fact that they're putting these rap stars in horror movies...because they usually get killed...it's really enjoyable to watch.

[Pukenstein]

It was OK.

[rhett]

I enjoyed the movie. The first portion with Jamie Lee Curtis was stellar, while the webcam second half had some good ideas and was overall decent. I gave a (much) lengthier description in Dave's thread over in Slashers.

[rhett]

Love the film or hate it, Halloween: Resurrection has had a fairly strong box office opening, likely paving the way for further sequels. The film is estimated to bring in 12.3 million for its opening weekend, which is just 4 million lower than H20's opening. Costing only 15 million to make, H:R should double the production cost and prove profitable for Buena Vista.

This is very good news for slasher fans considering the poor showing Jason X did a few months ago. By comparison, Jason X has made 12.5 million total, while H:R has made 12.3 million in its first weekend. It is all the more impressive on Halloween's behalf, considering how busy the marketplace is now compared to when Jason X blasted off.

[Wez4555]

well rhett...jason x didnt see to apeal to anyone but the fans. it didnt apeal to blacks (the new halloween had tyra banks and busta) and not really to women. i didnt seem to sell out to the screamy bopper crowd so i think it thats why it failed. plus it may have been alittle too gory for the pussafation of the mainstream. most likely if you dont have big tennie bopper stars..your movie is going to flop...which is sad cause i thought jason x was good.

[rhett]

Another interesting fact is that the Cinemascore ratings for Halloween 8 were unexpectedly strong. It scored a B average overall, while Jason X scored a C- in comparison. This movie might have good legs too.

[Erg0n]

how long was jamie lee curtis in the movie? 5 mins?

[rhett]

Well, she is in it for the first 15 minutes or so. But actual screen time would probably be around 5 minutes, yeah. It is worth seeing though, regardless of her length of screen time.

[indiephantom]

it's not playing in my city yet, but it should be here next week or very soon. I didn't get to see Jason X, which i'm more excited about than this, but hopefully soon.

The trailer for this looks pretty bad, but i love the franchise anyway. Not as much as F13th though.

[chrishicks]

I also liked it. True it was a little dated. But consider the fact that would have been out last yr. around the time similar products where still around. ie. Freakylinks.

Also, how many screens is this playing on? My local 20 screen MJR was only playing it on 1 screen for 5 showings a day. While other movies were in multible screens with like 40 showings per day.

[Dave]

I highly doubt this movie is going to have legs. I also doubt a sequel is going to be greenlit anytime soon.

H20 made $24 million its opening week and went on to make a total of $55 million at the US box office. It only did that well because it was riding on the success of Scream. The Screamy Boppers are gone now, they're off in college and what not. Halloween: Resurrection won't even make $20 million at the US box office, nevermind its first week.

Did H:R bomb? No. But neither did Blair Witch 2, yet there's no sign of a Blair Witch 3. Lets pray this is the final nail in Halloween's coffin.

[MISFITZ]

Man, i wish that were true Dave. But I thought FOR SURE we'd NEVER see another Jason film. And low and behold we get JASON X.

Remember when F13th was just a simple 'camp fire slasher'. Now it turned into an "EVIL WORM", telepathy powers, and space men and all kinds of stupid stuff. Obviously, there is a fan base for it. But the numbers don't lie.

I think this is necessary. Let these films come out and when they see the low numbers as DAVE is mentioning, HOPEFULLY, this will be the end of them. HOEPFULLY. I mean enough already.

Hollywood is gonna give money for JASON XI or Halloween H30 or whatever, but yet young ORIGINAL film makers and screen writers can not get an interview. It's BULL!!!!

I read the plot and the spoilers at my other message board. I couldn't believe what I was reading. It was a 'scarier' concept when it was just a kid who happened to be 'fu*ked up' and grew up in an insane asylum. Now it's all this!!


Oh, well, obviously some think it's good.

[rhett]

Originally posted by Dave
I highly doubt this movie is going to have legs. I also doubt a sequel is going to be greenlit anytime soon.

H20 made $24 million its opening week and went on to make a total of $55 million at the US box office. It only did that well because it was riding on the success of Scream. The Screamy Boppers are gone now, they're off in college and what not. Halloween: Resurrection won't even make $20 million at the US box office, nevermind its first week.

Did H:R bomb? No. But neither did Blair Witch 2, yet there's no sign of a Blair Witch 3. Lets pray this is the final nail in Halloween's coffin.
H20 was released on a Wednesday, so comparing its 5 day total with H:R's 3 day total is a skewed comparison. Compairing weekends, H:R fell short of H20 by 4 million, but it did have roughly the same per screen average, so had it been in the 1,000 more theaters that H20 had, it would have made the same amount of money.

H:R should easily pass 20 million. Even if we are considering the film has consistent 50% drops its entire run (never happens) it would still take in 24 million. Exit polls have been strong for this one, and there should be decent word of mouth for the movie. I am going to stick with my 30 million estimate.

Blair Witch 2 did very poorly at the box office. There was a huge media campaign for the film, and it, to this day, had one of the largest releases ever (roughly 3,330 theatres) and the benefit of riding on the original's success a year prior. Still with all that behind it, it managed an opening of only 13 million. Had Halloween been in the same amount of theaters as BW2, based on its screen average, it would have brought in over 20 million. After that it sunk like a stone with over a 60% decrease in sales the next week. It was a huge disappointment for Artisan, not even making double its opening weekend (which is very rare for a film).

Halloween is not expected to ignite the BO like BW2 was, and it has done considerably better thus far. Unless it drops of big next week, this is going to bring BV a tidy profit, and I'd consider a sequel in the bag.

[novaguy2000]

I was actually entertained with H8...compared to the travesty that I consider H6 (and H5, to a degree) was...and compared to the crap that has been Friday the 13th parts 8-10 (how they get worse is beyond me, but they keep topping themsleves!)....H8 was fun. I'd rank the series thusly:

1. Halloween
2. Halloween 2
3. H20
4/5. H4 and H8 (can't decide which goes where)
6. H3
7. H5-Revenge of MM
8. H6-Curse of MM

Little disappointed that Jamie Lee would allow that character to be killed off, although I suppose she could still be alive (but I highly doubt she would return for another installment).

I thought Busta Rhymes was the worst part of the movie...but he wasn't as highly annoying as I feared.

And what was with the waste of Tyra Banks? She disappears! I can see how being a supermodel and all, she probably had some deal where we wouldn't see her getting murdered, but there could have been some stalk/chase stuff, at least.

And I know she had something cut from the film, because in some of the commercials, you see her looking scared outside in front of the house, and that scene was no where to be found. Hopefully, that will make the DVD!

All in all, this was OK...and much better in the Halloween series than Jason X was in the F13th series...

[Dave]

...although I suppose she could still be alive (but I highly doubt she would return for another installment).


That's a very good point. Perhaps while Michael was chasing her, Laurie changed faces with someone, or grabbed another woman and had plastic surgery done on her so that she'd look just like Laurie. Yes, I suspect we may just see Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween 9.

[Dave]

H:R should easily pass 20 million. Even if we are considering the film has consistent 50% drops its entire run (never happens) it would still take in 24 million. Exit polls have been strong for this one, and there should be decent word of mouth for the movie. I am going to stick with my 30 million estimate.


Good word of mouth? Where? It seems to be the opinion on this movie is split down the middle. And where are you getting your data on exit polls?

Thanks to that Moustafa guy, there probably will be another sequel, regardless of the success or failure of H:R. I'm definitely done with Halloween, though. The series is dead, IMO.

[Jog]

Certainly an improvement over H20. Much better than Jason X. I guess it's about as good as a totally unambitious American slasher programmer can be in this day and age (IE much less blood and boobs)... and at least it TRIES to insert some "Cannibal Holocaust" style themes into the movie while swiping the "Blair Witch" visuals...

[rhett]

Cinemascore (http://www.cinemascore.com) is one of the biggest and most trusted polling agencies in North America. During opening night, they conduct surveys of every major Hollywood film with over 1,000 people from 12 different US cities all over the country. They survey both age and gender demographics, and their results provide a very accurate assessment of moviegoer interest.

Here are four titles we should consider:

Halloween H20: http://www.cinemascore.com/find_a_movie.epl?id=Halloween_H20

Jason X: http://www.cinemascore.com/find_a_movie.epl?id=Jason_X

Reign of Fire: http://www.cinemascore.com/find_a_movie.epl?id=Reign_Of_Fire

Halloween Resurrection: http://www.cinemascore.com/find_a_movie.epl?id=Halloween:_Resurrection

Of all three, H:R easily places the highest, which definitely suggests positive word of mouth for the film. Considering H20 did come out at the height of the Screamy Bopper phase, it is surprising that the under 18 demographic was much more in favor of H:R, giving it an A-/B+ average, while H20 received a B-/B+ average. Jason X, the closest comparison with H:R, got poor C grades from everyone. And H:R even beats out the competing Reign of Fire.

I was quite surprised with how well H:R has performed thus far...considering the poor performance of Jason X.

As far as JLC, they definitely left it open for her return, but I can't see her coming back to the franchise. She signed a contract for H20 and H:R, but it is up now, and she has stated that she isn't really a horror fan, so I don't think she will come back. If she did another horror film, she would put herself at risk of being typecast once again with the Scream Queen label she desperately tried to shake in the 80's.

[SEANVALEN]

HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION, $12.3 million this weekend, $12.3 million since opening.

Whatever you think of the film, I hope it does well, because the more Horror films that turn a profit, the more horror films we'll likely to get, and when there's more horror films and competition, studios up their act in getting more quality, as critical reception and fan reception becomes more important.

I cheer any horror movie to do well, helps out dvds, and future productions.

Plus it was quite a competitive weekend:

MEN IN BLACK 2 was able to hold onto the top spot for a second week in a row, despite the massively successful opening of the comic book originator ROAD TO PERDITION. Massively successful because the period crime drama PERDITION made twice as much per screen as MEN, but was playing on less than half as many screens as the alien sequel.


The other two big genre openings, the dragon slaying actioner REIGN OF FIRE and the HALLOWEEN sequel RESURRECTION, opened farther back in third and fourth.


Here’s the rest:


1. MEN IN BLACK II, $25.0 million this weekend, $133.3 million since opening.


2. ROAD TO PERDITION, $22.1 million this weekend, $22.1 million since opening.


3. REIGN OF FIRE, $16.0 million this weekend, $16.0 million since opening.


4. HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION, $12.3 million this weekend, $12.3 million since opening.


5. MR. DEEDS , $11.0 million this weekend, $11.0 million since opening.


6. THE CROCODILE HUNTER: COLLISION COURSE , $10.0 million this weekend, $10.0 million since opening.


7. LIKE MIKE, $7.6 million this weekend, $32.6 million since opening.


8. LILO AND STITCH, $7.6 million this weekend, $117.9 million since opening.


9. MINORITY REPORT, $7.4 million this weekend, $110.3 million since opening.


10. THE BOURNE IDENTITY , $5.8 million this weekend, $99.0 million since opening.

[novaguy2000]

Am I going crazy, or did Tyra Banks disappear in this movie? In the commercials on TV, there's a scene with her looking scared outside the house, and many publications (print and online) show a still from the film with her sitting down, with Michael coming up behind her. I don't remember any of this from the movie. Did I sneeze or somthing, or was this all cut? (C'mon, DVD extras!!!)

[rhett]

Halloween: Resurrection passed the 30 million mark last week, which is likely where it will stay and I just figured I'd post the news here. With this kind of B.O. success, I'd consider H9 to be imminent.