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slinker
09-21-2002, 09:11 AM
Just finished watching the new Hideo Nakata movie `Dark Water` i must say i loved the overall atmosphere of the movie and the director sure knows how to keep you on the edge of your seat....the similarities to `Ring` were there and i must admit some of the spooky moments were fairly predictable (apart from one which nearly caused me to change my pants!) anyone else seen this and care to comment?? id give it 7/10...miles scarier than any Hollywood shite. :)

Mr.Vengance
09-22-2002, 09:58 AM
Yeah, I really enjoyed this one as well. He's managed to get a "signature look" for all of his more spookier films to date. Kind of a washed out look. The only one that hasn't really had that "ring look" has been Chaos. A great film as well though. Highly recommend both Chaos and Dark Water.

KillerCannabis
09-25-2002, 04:08 AM
Sweet. Whats this one all about? I loved Ring and want to see more of Nakata's films. Is there a R1 or R0 NTSC copy out?

dvdasia62
09-25-2002, 05:17 AM
I ordered my copy from Poker and as far as I know, it is only available in R3 or at least that was the only version available at Poker. However, Poker also has the film on VCD.

Mr.Vengance
09-25-2002, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by KillerCannabis
Sweet. Whats this one all about? I loved Ring and want to see more of Nakata's films. Is there a R1 or R0 NTSC copy out?

This film deals with a recently divorced woman trying to rebuild a life for herself while fighting to maintain custody of her daughter. They move into the only apartment they can afford, which happens to be a dilapidated old slum, and things start getting creepy. If you enjoy psychological horror I definitly recommend picking this one up.

There's no R1 or R0 yet. No word of any upcoming release either. You'll probably be able to locate a vcd somewhere though.

dvdasia62
09-25-2002, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Vengance
There's no R1 or R0 yet. No word of any upcoming release either. You'll probably be able to locate a vcd somewhere though.

As mentioned above you can find the VCD at Poker Industries for about $10 I think. :)

dvdasia62
09-27-2002, 02:15 AM
Just finished watching this remarkable, edge of your seat film and all I have to say is WOW!!! Nakata, the master of deliberate suspense really cranks it up several notches in this one. Not in the quickening of the pace but in the layer upon layer of tension building atmosphere. The mood is downright eerie and forboding and the Directors uncanny ability to build his atmosphere has never been more pronounced. A spooky, atmospheric, eerie and suspenseful tale that is by far, my favorite from this masterful Director and yes, that includes "Ring". :)

DeathDealer
07-17-2003, 01:28 AM
I'm gonna get this Soon. Looks GooD. :banana:

Deaddevilman
07-17-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by dvdasia62
As mentioned above you can find the VCD at Poker Industries for about $10 I think. :)

I get Poker discount codes fairly often. There anywhere from 10 -20% off. Speak of the devil, I just got one.

From now until July 20th, 2003 you may use the coupon code NS0720 to receive a 20%* discount off your order. Use the coupon as often as you'd like between now and then. This coupon may not be used toward preorder items and may not be used retroactively.

marioscido
07-20-2003, 09:26 AM
Yes, I saw this in Paris earlier this year, and I too like it more than "Ringu." The relationships are far more complex in "Dark Water," making it much more compelling to me. It's a wonderful film about the complexity of mother/daughter relationships.

Wermode
07-22-2003, 09:59 AM
Agreed. A fine film, and one that gets better with subsequent viewings. Again with Nakata we get a powerful overall theme to go along with good suspense, performances, and direction.

I finally got around to seeing Chaos last week...great plot, and a very well-constructed story.

Luna
07-28-2003, 09:25 PM
Dark Water should be arriving in the mail this week. I can't wait! It sounds like a really good movie. :D

Jeffrey Dahmer
08-03-2003, 05:47 PM
Yeah, Dark Water is very good. I don't get that much Ringu reference myself; I don't know, it became trendy to compare every movies to Ringu now that it became so popular and all.

Oh and Mr.Vengance, love your avatar. This actor had a really odd career. Check this for a proof : http://us.imdb.com/Name?Geoffreys,%20Stephen
"Listed as one of twelve "Promising New Actors of 1985" in John Willis' Screen World, Vol. 37"

From 85 to 91, I guess he was doing alright, but then, he became a gay porn star... only to come back briefly in 1998 in the ironically titled Famous Again.

shift
09-04-2003, 09:02 PM
I just orderd it also. I can't wait to see it!!

Disco Stu
09-05-2003, 11:56 AM
This thread inspired me to finally take out my copy and watch it. I've had it for 6 months, and simply never gotten around to it, I bought it only because it was $6.

Anyway, I'd have to say that Hideo Nakata is an extremely talented director, who thrives on creating dread inducing atmosphere out of simple elements. And when he is working on the mystery rather than the revelation of the story, the movie works very well. Nakata clearly storyboards all of his shots in advance, each frame seems to be taken out of a graphic novel, and when he is in complete control, letting the audience in with new details bit by bit, while simultaneously tantalizing and teasing us by throwing in creepy elements that haven't received an explanation, he is amazing. The use of sound, especially the music, is superb. The stationary camera is enormously effective. Nakata has a way of lingering on a shot a little too long, usually while the characters do not move or say anything, increasing the creepy effect of the situation. He uses striking imagery, especially with the use of the watermarks in the ceiling, and an enormous (and enormously earned) scare, late in the film. The dirty look of the home and the dark corners that seem to penetrate each frame, the dingy colors, are infectious to the overall design of the movie, which only makes it more unsettling.

But the last 15 minutes, which play like a concession to someone, I'm not sure who, defeat the entire movie.

Spoilers below******

If the movie is supposed to play on a realistic level, what is the explanation of where the mother went? Why is there no thought of ever looking for her? If it is fantasy, what is the hold that the water tower has over everyone? If the building has been abandoned for 10 years, why is the inside of the apartment exactly the same, in terms of its condition? Since the lost little girl keeps making appearences over and over without physical or metaphysical explanation, is she only there to represent the mother's lost childhood as well, which was noted by the aunt in an earlier scene? The last 15 minutes do nothing with the story and leave everything unexplained on all levels. They gave me more questions and more frustration that Nakata didn't finish his story outline. I also noticed that these were the first scenes in which Nakata used handheld cameras, and that just reinforces his lack of control.

Spoilers Over******


I would suggest that Nakata work with another driector similarly to the way that Jeuent and Caro did on Delicatessen and The City of Lost Children, where one worked on the images and the other worked with the actors and the dialogue. The story seemed realistic, but the acting was shrill and and forced by the mother, and everyone else was a cypher. Only the little girl stood out for her naturalness. If Nakata can make a movie this creepy with a half thought out story (and I feel similarly about The Ring, brilliant first 1/2 before petering out once the explanation sets in), imagine if someone else can sort out the details for him and he can concentrate on the misc-en-scene.

suspiria
09-16-2003, 02:56 AM
Dark Water is a much more mature and better film than Ringu IMHO...

shift
09-16-2003, 02:48 PM
I got got my movie in last night from canada,,, but I have not checked it out yet. So it's creepy huh? :D

shift
09-18-2003, 02:49 PM
I just saw the movie and friggin loved it!

creepy scenes and great acting.
I felt like I was right there.


can some one clear this up for me :

The little girl that was missing was that really her momma the one that had I think daughter Ikeke (spelling)?
Also... at the end of the movie,,, why did the mom choose the missing girl over her real daughter,,,, or was the dead missing girl... was that her mom also then??
I got a little lost at the end when the missing girl grabbed the mom in the elevator and said mommy

Thanks for clearing this up.

gangreen
09-19-2003, 11:41 AM
I contacted Tartan video and they have an R2 DVD release coming out sometime in November:D

I hope they don't screw this one up.

shift
09-23-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by shift
I just saw the movie and friggin loved it!

creepy scenes and great acting.
I felt like I was right there.


can some one clear this up for me :

The little girl that was missing was that really her momma the one that had I think daughter Ikeke (spelling)?
Also... at the end of the movie,,, why did the mom choose the missing girl over her real daughter,,,, or was the dead missing girl... was that her mom also then??
I got a little lost at the end when the missing girl grabbed the mom in the elevator and said mommy

Thanks for clearing this up.

Shit no1??

maringo
09-24-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by shift
can some one clear this up for me :

The little girl that was missing was that really her momma the one that had I think daughter Ikeke (spelling)?
Also... at the end of the movie,,, why did the mom choose the missing girl over her real daughter,,,, or was the dead missing girl... was that her mom also then??
I got a little lost at the end when the missing girl grabbed the mom in the elevator and said mommy

Thanks for clearing this up.

I thought...

...that the ghost of the missing girl was looking for her mother and took the living girl's mother as a replacement. The mother went along with this in order to save her real daughter from the ghost.

shift
09-24-2003, 09:17 PM
maringo
Yea that would make the most sense. the elevator scene was creepy when she thought it was her daughter in there with her. hehe.

Thanks

dwatts
08-08-2004, 12:39 AM
I caught up with this one tonight. Brilliant experience, THIS is a perfect scary movie ;)

I wouldn't at all compare it to Ringu, and really, I don't entirely understand why people would compare them. Regardless, it is very much worthy.

Franco
06-01-2005, 02:48 AM
I watched it yesterday after downloading it from a torrent and today I received the R3 Hong Kong DVD and re-watched it.

The image quality is low for such a recent movie. Was it intended to be filmed that way or the R3 HK DVD has low image quality in comparison with the other releases ?

Luna
06-01-2005, 07:47 AM
I own the DVD and thought the quality was quite good, but maybe my TV is just too small. :lol:

dwatts
06-01-2005, 02:07 PM
My DVD looks fine too.