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Werner Von Wallenrod 10-16-2002 05:59 AM

The Kingdom
So, I'm not crazy, am I?
The PAL DVD is cut? Missing stuff like the opening meeting, at the beginning of the film, that Stig is late to?
That sucks. :cry:

joltaddict 10-16-2002 06:13 AM

My PAL The Kingdom has that scene. :eek2:

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-16-2002 08:17 AM

Wait. Your PAL DVD of The Kingdom has the scene where Helmer requests the CT Scan because Stig isn't there, or your DVD just jumps into the meeting with Stig arriving late to the meeting, and everybody's already getting up and leaving?
...Is your disc the ICA Projects one?

David666 10-16-2002 04:22 PM

There is a Canadian disc of this film that I would love to get. Does anyone have any info on it? Thanks

joltaddict 10-16-2002 05:25 PM


Originally posted by Werner Von Wallenrod
Wait. Your PAL DVD of The Kingdom has the scene where Helmer requests the CT Scan because Stig isn't there

Maybe the DVD is borked, sounds like its jumping ahead a chapter.

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-18-2002 04:31 AM

OK. I've checked it out, and the DVD is definitely not skipping. The only scene of the first morning meeting has the young doctor asking Helmer about the sleep lab, and then Stig walks in and the meeting is already over.
I used to have the NTSC DVD (I upgraded), and I could SWEAR there was a scene earlier on, at that same meeting, where everyone decided not to wait for Stig to begin the meeting because he was late, and Helmer requested the CT Scan he knew Stig wouldn't've allowed... Are you sure that's in your PAL version, Jolt? Could there be two versions of this DVD or something? Can anyone verify that this scene exists in the NTSC version (and not some crazy hallucination on my part)?
...There are a few other scenes in this DVD which seemed trimmed for pacing, too.
:nervous: <---me going insane

joltaddict 10-18-2002 07:57 PM

Its definitely in mine. I bought this blind and the only version I have seen is this disc. I absolutely saw that scene you describe. I have the Zentropa R0 PAL. It has a logo for "Forel" on the cover and the DVD itself. All the other branding seems to be in Japanese though, not sure if thats enough info. I can take a pic of the cover if you want.

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-19-2002 10:41 AM

Ummm yeah, could you scan it? I thought there was only one NTSC disc, and one PAL disc.

joltaddict 10-19-2002 04:14 PM

My scanner sucks, my digicam is better. Is this a different version?

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-20-2002 01:40 AM

Ahhh... Yeah. That actually looks like the NTSC disc (which I used to own). Check this PokerIndustries link: http://pokerindustries.com/acatalog/...G___M_141.html
I've got the Pal one that they list fourth (and the NTSC version of Kingdom II). And I think we've determined that one's definitely cut...

joltaddict 10-20-2002 02:01 AM

Holy crap youre right. :o

I dont use Poker for anything but PAL DVDs I cant find anywhere else. SORRY! I think I may be coming down with a bad case of retarded.

KillerCannabis 10-20-2002 08:09 AM

I've heard a lot about this movie and read some about it in Fangoria. I'd like to check out the NTSC version sometime. Hopefully its as good as I've heard.

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-20-2002 08:42 AM

The Kingdom rocks, dude.
Lars Von Trier does horror.

Fart Lighter 10-25-2002 10:25 PM

okay, so where do I get the uncut one? The UK disk is the cut version then? is it the 3 disker from Poker to get? Isn't that availabe from generral r1 retailers?

Werner Von Wallenrod 10-25-2002 11:30 PM

Yeah, the 3-disc is the one to get, but the (cut) r2 does still have some advantages: a substantially better picture, accurate subtitles (the NTSC discs have crazy typos and poor translations in almost every line), subtitled speeches (in the closing credits of each episode, Lars Von Trier talks to the audience... the NTSC cuts all the closing credits out, except the final one on each disc, and doesn't even subtitle those, so you're like, "what's that guy saying at the end?!?"), and a roughly hour-long documentary on Lars Von Trier's work up to and including The Kingdom 2.
Basically, the PAL disc blows the NTSC disc out of the water - except it's cut (which is a very big exception, obviously). So, each make your own decision (or get both versions, like I'm doin').

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