Rate/Comment On The Last House on the Left (1972)

[maybrick]

Originally Posted by DVD-fanatic-9

That's precisely my point. You think that's a criticism? Like I said before, you were much harsher on the Friday the 13th films (and their fans), and Wes Craven. Yet, Michael Bay is far more deserving of hate and disdain. And your opinion is that he's "generic"??!! He's a completely talentless hack!

Says you. And if Matt was more harsh on F13 who the hell cares? It isn't as if the series is that great and untouchable, either. You're comparing shit to shit, so which one do you want: constipation or the runs? Only you think it's a necessity of life to be "harsh" on things you don't like. Most of us have less extremist views on life than you. Get used to it.

[spawningblue]

Originally Posted by DVD-fanatic-9

That's precisely my point. You think that's a criticism? Like I said before, you were much harsher on the Friday the 13th films (and their fans), and Wes Craven. Yet, Michael Bay is far more deserving of hate and disdain. And your opinion is that he's "generic"??!! He's a completely talentless hack!

Well in all fairness, I'm pretty sure he pre-ordered the new Friday Blu Ray, and plans on getting 2 and 3 on Blu as well. I haven;t even ran out and bought them yet, and the Friday films are some of my favourite horror films. have you even ran out and bought them yet? He never said he hates the films, it sounds to me like he enjoys them quite a bit, he just said they aren't very well made, and in all honestly, they're not. I love them, but I can admit they aren't amazingly directed, acted, scripted, ect. films. I think you just need to be able to tell the difference between a well made movie, and a fun one. And yes, there is quite a difference.

There is nothing wrong with liking, or loving for that matter, a fun movie, but you should be able to tell the difference of whether it is well made or not. It seems like because you like it though, you will defend to your grave that they are well made movies, but come one, honestly they are not! Accept it and move on. Lets not have another Deadly Friend thread here. Actually, how the hell does a thread about Last House turn into a thread about Friday and Michale Bay anyways!? But yeah, just because it' not very well made, doesn't mean you can't enjoy it! And I guess for slasher standards they are pretty good, but compared to other important pieces of cinema they are not. That's all he's saying, and I think all fans of the franchise can admit that. I'm not embarrassed by it, as I'd rather watch them then a lot of cinema's best, and you shouldn't be either.

Same goes for Michael Bay, he makes fun summer blockbuster movies. If you want to see shit blow up, he's the guy to do it. But no one is going to argue that Michael Bay is an amazing Director. Then again, he does have two movies in Criterion's Collection... what drugs were they on then!?

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by DVD-fanatic-9

That's precisely my point. You think that's a criticism? Like I said before, you were much harsher on the Friday the 13th films (and their fans), and Wes Craven. Yet, Michael Bay is far more deserving of hate and disdain. And your opinion is that he's "generic"??!! He's a completely talentless hack!

Uhhhh.....dude....ANYTHING is criticism! Whether you liked the film or not, whether you thought the dialogue was good, whether you thought the characters were well-written, whether you thought the storyline worked. Yes he's GENERIC. Do I really need to constantly repeat these kinds of things to you!!???

In terms of Michael Bay, no he not a completely talentless hack. Can YOU direct action sequences the way he can? I seriously doubt it. He's a very good ACTION filmmaker. Unfortunately most of his films fall flat on thier face in terms of storyline, character development. However, his action sequences? Brilliant. But the fact that every other aspect of his films fail, yes that makes him QUITE generic.

And youu've lost respect for me because I bash Friday films for not being good? I LIKE the films (seriously, HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS!!!? I LIKE them, yes I do have the blu-ray, but I don't think they're well-made. Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING NOT!) Get a fuckin' clue buddy, you think Deadly Friend is a good movie and that's enough to warrant you a complete fucking moron. You jump into this thread with the INTENTIONS of starting anargument. Just shut the fuck up for once, nobody wants to hear your stupid fucking shit.

Oh and what? Are you gonna send me another PM telling me how much of a prick I am? Grow the fuck up.

~Matt

[Angelman]

Can we call a truce?

Seriously... let's just let this go. No more name calling, it like being on Ain't it Cool News or something! Let's agree to disagree.

[Matt89]

I'll let it go when he stops bringing it up at random through PMs and in every goddamn thread. There was no argument until he chimed in attempting to start one.

~Matt

[Angelman]

So: DVD-Fan-9, you don't PM Matt anymore and we'll all agree to disagree and we get back to loving horror films, cool?

When people get called "prick" or whatever over a horror film it's time to take a step back and chill.

To use the flick's tagline: keep telling yourself IT'S ONLY A MOVIE IT'S ONLY A MOVIE IT'S ONLY A MOVIE...

Right? It is only a movie.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Angelman

we'll all agree to disagree and we get back to loving horror films, cool?

As much as I'd love for that to happen, I don't think it will. DVD-fanatic's already admitted to being stubborn. Hell, I'm willing to let it go (thought people already had) but for some reason it keeps getting resurrected in every damn thread. But it's like he's the only one who seems to have a problem when I say Friday the 13th movies AREN'T well-made. Everyone knows they're bad films, yet we all enjoy them don't we? (I sure as hell do.) He's the only person who seems to have difficulty swallowing the fact that they're NOT masterpieces as much as he thinks they are.

Like your little play on words there with the film's tagline, though. That should be the site's slogan.

~Matt

[maybrick]

Originally Posted by Matt89

But it's like he's the only one who seems to have a problem when I say Friday the 13th movies AREN'T well-made.

It isn't even that, Matt. You definitely aren't first person on this site to say these are "bad" films (not by a long shot!), but he only has a problem with YOU saying that they aren't well made. He's singling you out buddy, just as he singled me out for calling LAST HOUSE a rape/revenge film.

Not trying to gang up on dvd-fanatic here, but I do believe that there's a conscious decision on his part to start arguments with people.

[DVD-fanatic-9]

Originally Posted by maybrick

Not trying to gang up on dvd-fanatic here, but I do believe that there's a conscious decision on his part to start arguments with people.

Only when they're in the wrong. And this clearly isn't fun for me. I'm sick and tired of Matt getting away with his superior attitude yet I get bashed for it. He's doing the same fucking thing and getting away with it!! Again, scottfree.

And, Matt, you are in no position to be saying things like - "Do I really need to say this to you." None at all. If you can't see, and you even ASKED me how, how you are continually insulting and bashing Friday the 13th fans - you are an idiot. Okay - no argument about that. I'm sick of your fucking bullshit. You know you have an attitude about letting people get passionate about the films getting quality releases and all you do is come up with excuses for getting you off the hook for bashing people! Nobody cares what you think about "Paramount's good work" - OBVIOUSLY there was room for improvement. Quit fucking telling people they're idiots for expecting Paramount to do their fucking job on these releases.

You tell me I'm confronting you on all these posts - yet you purposefully interrupt posts about the Friday the 13th releases and insult the fans over and over again. You don't want other people insulting you and calling you out. Then quit doing it to other people, you fucking hypocrite!

When Matt sees his hypocritical ways and quits going onto Friday the 13th threads with nothing constructive to say - I'll back off. But until then, cut the bullshit Matt. You clearly have a reason to let Michael Bay off the hook. I refuse to be so generous. He may know how to direct things blowing up but I wasn't aware that was a difficult thing to do.

[maybrick]

Speaking as a Friday the 13th fan, Matt (who is ALSO a Friday the 13th fan btw) isn't insulting me. I doubt anybody aside from you is!

So drop it, already, and quit being so goddamn oversensitive. Seriously. You're being a baby.

[DVD-fanatic-9]

Originally Posted by maybrick

Speaking as a Friday the 13th fan, Matt (who is ALSO a Friday the 13th fan btw) isn't insulting me.

Well good for you then. I guess you can take it as well as you dish it out.

Originally Posted by maybrick

I doubt anybody aside from you is!

I take that back.

You're right about one thing, even if you didn't know to say it - I am wasting my time on Matt and he clearly is worth it to spit on. I can't believe I let someone who would let Michael Bay off so easily agree with me on Maniac and lecture me on Child's Play 2. I don't know who's a bigger joke here, but he clearly is the bigger PHONY!

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by DVD-fanatic-9

Only when they're in the wrong. And this clearly isn't fun for me. I'm sick and tired of Matt getting away with his superior attitude yet I get bashed for it. He's doing the same fucking thing and getting away with it!! Again, scottfree.

And, Matt, you are in no position to be saying things like - "Do I really need to say this to you." None at all. If you can't see, and you even ASKED me how, how you are continually insulting and bashing Friday the 13th fans - you are an idiot. Okay - no argument about that. I'm sick of your fucking bullshit. You know you have an attitude about letting people get passionate about the films getting quality releases and all you do is come up with excuses for getting you off the hook for bashing people! Nobody cares what you think about "Paramount's good work" - OBVIOUSLY there was room for improvement. Quit fucking telling people they're idiots for expecting Paramount to do their fucking job on these releases.

You tell me I'm confronting you on all these posts - yet you purposefully interrupt posts about the Friday the 13th releases and insult the fans over and over again. You don't want other people insulting you and calling you out. Then quit doing it to other people, you fucking hypocrite!

When Matt sees his hypocritical ways and quits going onto Friday the 13th threads with nothing constructive to say - I'll back off. But until then, cut the bullshit Matt. You clearly have a reason to let Michael Bay off the hook. I refuse to be so generous. He may know how to direct things blowing up but I wasn't aware that was a difficult thing to do.

Errr....if you know anything about film production, you'd know that special effects sequences require a lot of setup and everything has to go perfecctly as planned. It is a quite difficult thing to do. No he's not a good director, but his ACTION sequences are quite well-directed.

And how do I insult the fans? Where exactly do I butt in!? Where!? Oh in the Friday the 13th review where someone said they were gonna somehow get their hands on the discs and just copy them? Copyright infrigement? Being a "DVD fanatic" I'm shocked that you'd take that with a grain of salt. And yes, people who keep bitching and whining about Paramount's releases are idiots if they keep buying every single release. I've bought every release - Friday the 13th was the FIRST movie I bought on DVD. But I'm not complaining here. You're the only one who takes it as being insulting. We ALL know these are bad films, why can't you realize this? And, if you look at another thread, it's been stated that Paramount had always had the film framed in the wrong ratio, and the "uncut" version is the way the movie was supposed to be shown. It was a conscious decision on the director's part. So, actually...Paramount got it right. Friday the 13th was a low-budget movie, so this is all definitely possible (the framing issues).

And why do you look at everything so one-sided? I was stating before (long ago) that Paramount had given Friday the 13th films quite good treatment by comparison to other releases that are STILL barebones (not even a trailer!).

And no I'm not constantly bashing the Friday the 13th fans. You're the ONLY one who seems to be taking this so personally. Like I've said DOZENS OF FUCKING TIMES. And yes I CLEARLY DO NEED TO SAY "How many times do I need to say this?" because YOU DO NOT LISTEN!!!!! I AM A FRIDAY THE 13TH fan, I have the boxset, I own an original poster of part 1, I have the novelizations of parts 1, 2, 3 and 6. I love these movies, but they're BAD FILMS. Get it through your fucking head. That's all I was trying to say in the first place.

I don't have a superior attitude unless you make me out to have one. You're the one who said "Matt you think you're better than me." And no I don't think that. It's only when you go on bashing a movie like The Thing and then go all up in arms about how much of a "good" movie Deadly Friend is. You like it, that's cool, but it's a SHITTY movie. You don't seem to know the difference between liking/disliking a film and whether it is good or not.

~Matt

[maybrick]

Correction: A BIG Baby!

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by DVD-fanatic-9

You're right about one thing, even if you didn't know to say it - I am wasting my time on Matt and he clearly is worth it to spit on. I can't believe I let someone who would let Michael Bay off so easily agree with me on Maniac and lecture me on Child's Play 2. I don't know who's a bigger joke here, but he clearly is the bigger PHONY!

Oh shut the hell up, you think Deadly Friend is a good movie. Seriously, that's the biggest joke ever. And I'm an idiot? Well, I get 80s on my film history and film theory essays...shows I know SOMETHING. They're being marked by experts in the field. (Would you like to read them? Might straighten you out a bit).

But see, right there it proves you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're clearly making shit up. I simply statedI ENJOYED Child's Play 2. I never said it was a good film, and I never said Michael Bay is a good filmmaker. Jesus, I've never seen someone before who had SELECTIVE READING.

~Matt

[DVD-fanatic-9]

Matt, you're right that I don't listen - when I've heard it all before. What do you think there is to be gained for you to point out the Stupid-Guide-to the obvious, neglecting a lot of points? At least I pay enough attention to know when something is overrated. And when a point of view has been expressed TO DEATH!

Everyone knows I can't make a dent in John Carpenter's precious The Thing. So, don't make it out like I'm some evil terrorist, destroying the reputation of one of the most overrated, allegedly-important and definitive cinematic misfires of all-time. The Thing gets more credit than it deserves. Deadly Friend couldn't get any less. So already, at least there's a reason I'm defending it. But you - on the other hand - talk about someone who can't handle dissenting points of view. You look like you're about to expload (and admittedly, you're not the only one) because someone will passionately defend Deadly Friend.

And what the fuck do you care if I'm pissed that everyone slams Deadly Friend without giving reasons? Again, you act as though I can actually make any change in what people around here assume is "The Status Quo." Maybe you're not going after Michael Bay because - what - you think he gets it too tough?? Is that it? If I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me. The guy's making fucking millions off shitty action movies. And like I said before, you think calling him a "generic" filmmaker is a criticism? Not to mention now you go off DEFENDING him, explaining - you make it sound like you respect him more than horror filmmakers just because he has to make films on a bigger budget.

That's why I'm REALLY tired of you. You're always giving mainstream, big-budget films and filmmakers more leighway than horror filmmakers and films when you "Criticize" them! You don't know what criticism is.

Originally Posted by Matt89

Oh shut the hell up, you think Deadly Friend is a good movie. Seriously, that's the biggest joke ever. And I'm an idiot? Well, I get 80s on my film history and film theory essays...shows I know SOMETHING. They're being marked by experts in the field. (Would you like to read them? Might straighten you out a bit).

You're an idiot if you need an explanation on how you keep insulting the Friday the 13th films and movie fans. And yeah Maybrick, that bothers me. You want to DEBATE on what I am and am not allowed to be bothered by. Like I fucking care if you think I'm a baby. I'm still talking about movies here. If that's too much for you, go back to high school where you can judge and label people all you want. And where maybe you'll find other people who care about everything you think about them.

Anyway, Matt - You usually don't say it, you imply it. But now you're finally saying it loud and clear - You think your classes make you smarter than me.