When is it going to get cheaper? - Page 2

Mark Relford · 12-29-2000, 03:42 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ArrowBeach:
And remember FRANKENSTEIN and DRACULA is same priced as the godawful NOTLD LT edition Anchor Bay put out that sadly out sold Elites NOTLD.

The mind boggles at how Russo's Hackmaster 2000 edition outsold Elite's superior version! Hell, Russo can't even make a decent T&A flick! (Santa Claws)
Maybe the retailers are not ordering copies of the Elite disc, due to the overstock of AB's shitbox edition.

I didn't mind paying the hefty price on Duckling. I've seen it several times and I'm happy to have it in my collection.

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mutleyhyde · 12-29-2000, 07:26 AM

Yo Ace, you misunderstand me. I saw a Criterion, single disc case. It looks exactly the same as the original Criterion, with the black keeopcase, and the "Armegedon" logo only, black background cover, only it was a slimline (so to speak) case, not the double. Did that all make sense?

By the way y'all, did the AB NOTLD travesty not contain Romero's version as well? And if so, was it altered at all? If not, what was the second disc for?
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12-29-2000, 07:57 AM

Mutley, the case holds both discs. The newer pressings of Armageddon: Criterion Collection are in that case that looks like it holds one disc, but it holds two (ex: From Dusk Till Dawn: SE and Gladiator).

mutleyhyde · 12-29-2000, 08:09 AM

That's cool. While it would have made the first one a collector's item, I'm glad they didn't have to strip down the release due to rights/legal issues, as they had to with Seven Samurai. And I like the slim case solution. I know a lot of people had their gripes with Gladiator, but I for one love that packaging and haven't had any bad luck with it.

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May the Hammer eternally bleed!
M. Hyde

12-29-2000, 01:41 PM

mutleyhyde:

the AB 30th ann NOTLD does contain a cut of the original film. however, the original soundtrack was thrown out in favor of a positively horrible, new one that was recorded in 1998 by 2 guys in a garage.

the 2nd disc contained, if i remember, the soundtrack. yipee.

Dave · 12-29-2000, 02:03 PM

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the AB 30th ann NOTLD does contain a cut of the original film.

You mean to say "does not contain a cut of the original film", right? The 30th Anniv. Edition contains the hacked version of the film which has scenes cut and newly shot footage added.

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12-30-2000, 12:55 AM

OK, mutley, I gotcha. Hadn't seen that version.

To Dave, etc., the NOTLD 30th Hackmaster (love that!) edition contains on one disc, two versions of the movie: the Hackmaster version with added footage and new score (and I use the term generously); and the original version with the new score (still being generous). The second disc is a CD of the crappy new muzak (ah, screw it).

12-30-2000, 01:06 AM

i said it 'does' contain a cut of the original film. and it does. as acerimrat points out, it's in addition to the version that i've really come to love.

kidding.

mutleyhyde · 12-30-2000, 01:11 AM

Okay, thanks for the input y'all. Now I'm definitely glad I got the Elite version with the original soundtrack. I think it would have been much better for AB had they left the original soundtrack on as an option. Universal did this with Dracula ('31) with great success. The new Phillip Glass soundtrack is really good, and certainly helps the infamously slow paced movie along, although, as a purist, I prefer the original soundtrack still. Final thought; why would they go through the trouble of putting the original version on as a "bonus" with the new score? Kinda defeats the purpose of including the original version, right? Oh, well. I think they make up for this blunder with their Deep Red release. Just watched that last night, and it sure is sweet!

Oh, and getting back to the original topic - I haven't picked up Image's Derzu Uzala (by A. Kurosawa) 'cause it's $40, bare bones no less! Even online it's still high at $30. I only throw that kind of dough at Criterion!
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May the Hammer eternally bleed!
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Dave · 12-30-2000, 01:16 AM

Oh...I didn't realize that. Sorry.

I could've sworn it only had that new hacked version...my mistake. When I had it I got rid of it so quick after seeing it, knowing that the Elite DVD was the only version to own.

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12-30-2000, 01:50 AM

The Elite disc is the only one to WATCH.

The AB disc is a terrific conversation piece.

Hackmaster 2000! I love it!

ArrowBeach · 12-30-2000, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by mutleyhyde:
I think they make up for this blunder with their Deep Red release. Just watched that last night, and it sure is sweet!
!

Well they actuallyl DID blunder with DEEP RED. Look at the end credit. It snt the end crdit that we know and love, they PAUSED it, instead of having David Hemmings play with the blood.

mutleyhyde · 12-30-2000, 04:36 AM

I was wondering about that ArrowBeach. I think I saw what you're talking about on one of the trailers. They had a clip of a shot with his reflection bobbing about the crimson pool. Like you say, at the end of the dvd, it's just a still shot. I wondered if that footage was only used for the trailer and was originally cut from it's initial theatrical release. I know things like this have happened to other movies. Have you seen a version of Deep Red with the footage intact? This was my first time to watch Deep Red, so I'm no expert on previous editions. I just thought the transfer was really well done, but have no previous experience to do any comparisons.

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"When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!"

May the Hammer eternally bleed!
M. Hyde

12-30-2000, 05:01 AM

Hasn't AB admitted to screwing this up?

I thought I read somewhere they did it because the credits were in Italian over the moving-blood scene or something, and in trying to get the English ones it was the wrong print? Or something?

Anybody know?

Mark Relford · 12-30-2000, 05:33 AM

Man, all this talk about Deep Red makes me want to run out and buy the damn DVD! I've never seen it. In your opinion, is it right up there with Suspiria and Phenomena? (Two of my favorite Argento flicks.)

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12-29-2000, 03:42 AM	#16
Mark Relford Chairman of the Bored Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indy Posts: 2,610	[QUOTE]Originally posted by ArrowBeach: And remember FRANKENSTEIN and DRACULA is same priced as the godawful NOTLD LT edition Anchor Bay put out that sadly out sold Elites NOTLD. The mind boggles at how Russo's Hackmaster 2000 edition outsold Elite's superior version! Hell, Russo can't even make a decent T&A flick! (Santa Claws) Maybe the retailers are not ordering copies of the Elite disc, due to the overstock of AB's shitbox edition. I didn't mind paying the hefty price on Duckling. I've seen it several times and I'm happy to have it in my collection. ------------------ "Have you ever had an Egyptian feast?" "They're back from the grave and ready to party!"

12-29-2000, 07:26 AM	#17
mutleyhyde Fuck it. Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Dallas Posts: 4,904	Yo Ace, you misunderstand me. I saw a Criterion, single disc case. It looks exactly the same as the original Criterion, with the black keeopcase, and the "Armegedon" logo only, black background cover, only it was a slimline (so to speak) case, not the double. Did that all make sense? By the way y'all, did the AB NOTLD travesty not contain Romero's version as well? And if so, was it altered at all? If not, what was the second disc for? ------------------ "When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!" May the Hammer eternally bleed! M. Hyde [This message has been edited by mutleyhyde (edited 12-29-2000).]

12-29-2000, 07:57 AM	#18
MovieFan Guest Posts: n/a	Mutley, the case holds both discs. The newer pressings of Armageddon: Criterion Collection are in that case that looks like it holds one disc, but it holds two (ex: From Dusk Till Dawn: SE and Gladiator).

12-29-2000, 08:09 AM	#19
mutleyhyde Fuck it. Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Dallas Posts: 4,904	That's cool. While it would have made the first one a collector's item, I'm glad they didn't have to strip down the release due to rights/legal issues, as they had to with Seven Samurai. And I like the slim case solution. I know a lot of people had their gripes with Gladiator, but I for one love that packaging and haven't had any bad luck with it. ------------------ "When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!" May the Hammer eternally bleed! M. Hyde

12-29-2000, 01:41 PM	#20
landrvr Guest Posts: n/a	mutleyhyde: the AB 30th ann NOTLD does contain a cut of the original film. however, the original soundtrack was thrown out in favor of a positively horrible, new one that was recorded in 1998 by 2 guys in a garage. the 2nd disc contained, if i remember, the soundtrack. yipee.

12-30-2000, 12:55 AM	#22
AceRimRat Guest Posts: n/a	OK, mutley, I gotcha. Hadn't seen that version. To Dave, etc., the NOTLD 30th Hackmaster (love that!) edition contains on one disc, two versions of the movie: the Hackmaster version with added footage and new score (and I use the term generously); and the original version with the new score (still being generous). The second disc is a CD of the crappy new muzak (ah, screw it).

12-30-2000, 01:06 AM	#23
landrvr Guest Posts: n/a	i said it 'does' contain a cut of the original film. and it does. as acerimrat points out, it's in addition to the version that i've really come to love. kidding.

12-30-2000, 01:11 AM	#24
mutleyhyde Fuck it. Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Dallas Posts: 4,904	Okay, thanks for the input y'all. Now I'm definitely glad I got the Elite version with the original soundtrack. I think it would have been much better for AB had they left the original soundtrack on as an option. Universal did this with Dracula ('31) with great success. The new Phillip Glass soundtrack is really good, and certainly helps the infamously slow paced movie along, although, as a purist, I prefer the original soundtrack still. Final thought; why would they go through the trouble of putting the original version on as a "bonus" with the new score? Kinda defeats the purpose of including the original version, right? Oh, well. I think they make up for this blunder with their Deep Red release. Just watched that last night, and it sure is sweet! Oh, and getting back to the original topic - I haven't picked up Image's Derzu Uzala (by A. Kurosawa) 'cause it's $40, bare bones no less! Even online it's still high at $30. I only throw that kind of dough at Criterion! ------------------ "When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!" May the Hammer eternally bleed! M. Hyde [This message has been edited by mutleyhyde (edited 12-29-2000).]

12-30-2000, 01:16 AM	#25
Dave Pimp Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Newton, NH Posts: 6,185	Oh...I didn't realize that. Sorry. I could've sworn it only had that new hacked version...my mistake. When I had it I got rid of it so quick after seeing it, knowing that the Elite DVD was the only version to own. ------------------ David W. Anderson - dave@horrordvds.com Webmaster - www.horrordvds.com

12-30-2000, 01:50 AM	#26
AceRimRat Guest Posts: n/a	The Elite disc is the only one to WATCH. The AB disc is a terrific conversation piece. Hackmaster 2000! I love it!

12-30-2000, 04:36 AM	#28
mutleyhyde Fuck it. Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Dallas Posts: 4,904	I was wondering about that ArrowBeach. I think I saw what you're talking about on one of the trailers. They had a clip of a shot with his reflection bobbing about the crimson pool. Like you say, at the end of the dvd, it's just a still shot. I wondered if that footage was only used for the trailer and was originally cut from it's initial theatrical release. I know things like this have happened to other movies. Have you seen a version of Deep Red with the footage intact? This was my first time to watch Deep Red, so I'm no expert on previous editions. I just thought the transfer was really well done, but have no previous experience to do any comparisons. ------------------ "When I go to confession, I don't offer God small sins - petty squables, jealousies - I offer him sins worth forgiving!" May the Hammer eternally bleed! M. Hyde

12-30-2000, 05:01 AM	#29
AceRimRat Guest Posts: n/a	Hasn't AB admitted to screwing this up? I thought I read somewhere they did it because the credits were in Italian over the moving-blood scene or something, and in trying to get the English ones it was the wrong print? Or something? Anybody know?

12-30-2000, 05:33 AM	#30
Mark Relford Chairman of the Bored Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indy Posts: 2,610	Man, all this talk about Deep Red makes me want to run out and buy the damn DVD! I've never seen it. In your opinion, is it right up there with Suspiria and Phenomena? (Two of my favorite Argento flicks.) ------------------ "Have you ever had an Egyptian feast?" "They're back from the grave and ready to party!"