Do you think Snuff films exist?

[Ash28M]

I guess anything is possible and just like child porn anything that carries a demand usually can find a supplier for that demand but Is the demand great enough?

The Fact is that No Tape has ever been found that depicts murder for profit or for someone's own personal enjoyment for that matter. Contrary to popular belief there is no evidence that a serial killer has ever filmed any of their murders.

So what do you think? are there tapes floating around the underground or in some perverted Fat Cats safe created in some third world country "were life is cheap"

Or is it all just a Charlie Sheen/Home Video boom inspired camp fire tale?

[bigdaddyhorse]

Somewhere there's something.
I mean since video recorders came out, everything and anything has been filmed by now so I'm sure somewhere snuff films exist. They're probably not as numerous as many films and whatnot would lead you to believe, but I'm sure some are out there locked in some rich sickos vaults.

I have seen video files on the net of people killing other people. it is not pretty and it is very much real.

Originally Posted by geeare

I have seen video files on the net of people killing other people. it is not pretty and it is very much real.

Yeah, but those aren't snuff films because they weren't created to generate a profit.

[Reverenddave]

I agree there's a big difference between snuff (a murder committed specifically for the purpose of selling the video footage) and a Faces Of Death type video (a person's death caught on tape).

A part of me thinks that there must be some legit snuff films out there. Some people are into sick shit. And there will always be someone willing to commit horrific crimes for a buck.

But another part of me thinks, if there's stuff like this out there, why hasn't it come out? With the internet, this kind of stuff spreads like a virus. It's easy to find videos of terrorists cutting of someone's head with a knife and rap singers peeing on a 13-year-old. So why aren't there any snuff films flying around the interweb?

[horrorlover]

I hope they don't exist, but you never know, they seem to be urban legends though.

[Wayne Manor]

Yes, but they're kind of boring. Who wants to see someone snorting tobacco for two hours?

Originally Posted by RyanPC

Yeah, but those aren't snuff films because they weren't created to generate a profit.

I almost hesitate to bring this up here but Muslim beheading/killing soldier movies kind of border on this in my mind, as defined in this thread and not by me personally, because while they were not created primarily to sell and make money, they DO sell them at outdoor stands in some countries, along with martyr t-shirts, portraits and anything else a budding terrorist could want for inspiration. They apparently sell like hotcakes and the money, as little as it may be, may or may not go directly back to the people who did the crime (in support of their cause), who are often the same people who put the video together and released it in the first place. I'm sure you can find some clips of these videos glorifying violence on YouTube and other sites like Memri.

Beheading videos sold in Iraq
Jihad Materials Thrive in Yemeni Markets
Beheading video tops charts in Baghdad
Beheading videos fascinate public

Eh. I can find more links but you see what I'm getting at here.

[rxfiend]

Here's my take on why you won't see these on the net. If some sicko is going to buy a snuff film, it's not going to be for $50 or whatever. I imagine it's going to be in the thousands, if not millions for it. Who would want to spread around something for free that cost them a lot of money in return for it?

[satans-sadists]

Don't know if they exist as depicted in the Nicolas Cage movie 8mm, but yes I do believe they exist in some form.

[Reverenddave]

Originally Posted by rxfiend

Who would want to spread around something for free that cost them a lot of money in return for it?

It would spread the same way that kiddie stuff spreads. You might pay a lot of money for your first movie. But once you have a movie, you can trade it to others for their movies. Plus, people enjoy sharing with others that have the same interests. If this stuff exists, it would be somewhere on the internet.

[Reverenddave]

Originally Posted by Luna

I almost hesitate to bring this up here but Muslim beheading/killing soldier movies kind of border on this in my mind, as defined in this thread and not by me personally, because while they were not created primarily to sell and make money, they DO sell them at outdoor stands in some countries, along with martyr t-shirts, portraits and anything else a budding terrorist could want for inspiration.

I'd thought of these too. But I guess I've always considered snuff films to have some kind of sexual aspect. I don't mean that the films themselves involve sex. But that the films are created to stimulate a sexual release. Like a form of pornography. And I don't think that applies to the terrorist videos.

Originally Posted by Reverenddave

I'd thought of these too. But I guess I've always considered snuff films to have some kind of sexual aspect. I don't mean that the films themselves involve sex. But that the films are created to stimulate a sexual release. Like a form of pornography. And I don't think that applies to the terrorist videos.

Yes, that's the traditional definition of snuff films.

[baggio]

It is odd that you can find any type of video imaginable on the internet, whether it be news carnage, natural disasters, jackass type videos, bum fights, child porn, beheading videos, vandalization, simulated crimes, etc... And most recently a suicide on paltalk.

But no true snuff, like mentioned earlier. For the sole purpose to film a real death.

So maybe the ramifications are to great. Too many things involved to pull one off.

[Anthropophagus]

God I hope not, but I would not be shocked that stuff like this transpires in poor countries where some are desperate to do anything to enrich their families financially. I loathe to think of the type of sick mind who could actually enjoy this. I saw unedited film footage of, if I remember correctly, the Cambodian genocide-it was grainy as hell, B&W and depicted a young man being held on the ground while a soldier stepped on his head and hacked at his neck with a machete. The camera never cut away and the soldier had to shake the machete to and fro to finally sever the head from the body. Easily one of the most awful things I have seen and even worst when you consider that according to some estimates up to three million people were killed in the Cambodian genocide(1975-1979) under the Khmer Rouge.
Still, I would not consider what I saw snuff but I don't consider death for entertainment to be entertainment at all by any means.